Talk:Maremma Sheepdog

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Contents 1 Possible copyvio 2 Rmoving copyvio notice AGAIN 3 Photo Request 4 Weight 5 Original Use Section Cleanup 6 Breed name 7 So-called copyright violation 8 Bravo 9 Pastore Abruzzese

[edit] Possible copyvio

I have sent email to thewestlord@yahoo.com, which is the email address on the page from which this came, asking whether they're the ones who posted it and release their copyright, or whether we need to remove it. So I'm letting this sit for a moment... Elf | Talk 03:48, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

OK, when I asked about whether OK to use under GFDL or PD, got this response:

Wikipedia .. you the best site ever.

feel free to use the text anyway you like it .

Linda ,

[edit] Rmoving copyvio notice AGAIN

see above. Elf | Talk 00:47, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

It is ridiculous to think that an editor's statement that they recieved an e-mail from the purported author is valid proof that copyright violations do not exist!

[edit] Photo Request

	It is requested that a photograph or photographs be included in this article to improve its quality, if possible. Preferred photos show the complete animal, head to tail. Additional photos should add information, such as a face-only shot or distinct coat color or texture variants. Please do not include restricted copyright or "fair use" images.
	Special request: A photo that shows the whole dog, standing

130.195.86.36 (talk) 02:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC) question re: photo request

I have (original) photos of my Maremmas - can I send them to someone to review and post to this article? Regards, brian.a.lyall@gmail.com, 7 January 2008

[edit] Weight

How much do they weigh? Weight is mentioned indirectly but there is no actual weight range or average listed.

[edit] Original Use Section Cleanup

The Original Use section is not encyclopedia quality, referring specifically to the last line of "don't get me wrong-they bark". It also is packed full of sexist language. I will change these two without changing any of the actual content. Upon reading over the passage, I decided it would be best to remove the last line completely. I will paste it here so nobody has to bother with history if they think it should stay. "these dogs are great to have as a family pet but don't get me wrong-they bark." Sparkleiya 04:41, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Breed name

Maremmano-Abruzzese Lorna Coppinger and Raymond Coppinger, the biologists who are the preeminent experts on Livestock Guarding Dogs describe the "breed" (a term the Coppingers question) as the Italian "Maremmano-Abruzzese " in their book "Dogs: A New Understanding of Canine Origin, Behavior and Evolution (2002), University of Chicago Press, ISBN 0226115631. The Maremmano-Abruzzese being one of five or six dogs types involved in annual sheep migrations from highlands to lowlands common in many parts of the world. Should this article be titled "Maremmano-Abruzzese"? The Coppingers find that there is no valid distinction between dogs from the Tuscan Marremma and those from Abruzzo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MGerety (talk • contribs) 01:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless I this is a similar cousin this beautiful dog is also called a Pastore Abruzzese (Abruzzese Shepherd) at least in Avezzano, Italy (which is in Abruzzo). I had asked the locals what they call this stunning dog which I had never seen before.192.88.165.35 (talk) 17:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] So-called copyright violation

A user who failed to login, and thus identify him or herself leaving only IP addresses, first claimed a lack of references and then labelled the previous version of this article a possible copyright violation. Before realizing that the user's objections were nonsense and that a user on that IP address had been cited for bogus edits, I rewrote the article so as to avoid any possible appearance of such a violation, relying on a number of academic articles including Drs. Coppinger at Hampshire College, the preeminent experts on livestock guarding dogs, as well as articles in Italian about this fabulous dog. i am personally quite familiar with this breed seeing them quite often in Abruzzo guarding their flocks of sheep. MGerety 03:33, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The user's claims were not bogus. Several parts of the previous version were copied almost word from word from the article on this breed at Dog Breed Info. Collectonian 05:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Right. The florid description of the "standard" Maremma did take language from the that site, though very similar language is repeated in many kennel Club descriptions. Since biologists dispute breeding working dogs simply for appearance rather than behavioral characteristics that portion was not suitable at any rate. However, the remainder of the article especially that written about the dog's origins seemed original, in fact, the same IP user criticized it as possibly being "original research". I think it is not appropriate to delete photographs and then label ones restoration "vandalism" though the point on article length. Added headers as suggested MGerety 11:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Restoring photos that had been removed as a legitimate edit almost immediately after their removal with no justification or commentary and by passing the revert system does constitute a form a vandalism. If someone objected, they should have broached it on the talk page as the removal was properly justified to bring the article into proper compliance with Wikipedia policies. Also, OR can be applied if the article lacked citations, conclusions were drawn by combining multiple sources to make a new line of thought, etc. Collectonian 22:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bravo

This article is now greatly improved, with new headers much better than mine. MGerety 22:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Thanks for stepping in to giving it a good rewrite :) Collectonian 22:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pastore Abruzzese

I think this web site displays banner adds but itself is non-commercial.

MGerety 03:51, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

From the rough translation of the pages, it appears that they also sell puppies, which makes it commercial and non-neutral, unfortunately Collectonian 04:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)