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March 14: New Year's Day in the Sikh Nanakshahi calendar; White Day in Japan; Pi Day

1590 – French Wars of Religion: Henry of Navarre and the Huguenots defeated the forces of the Catholic League under the Duc de Mayenne at the Battle of Ivry in Ivry, France.
1757 – British Royal Navy Admiral John Byng was court-martialled and executed by firing squad for breaching the Articles of War when he failed to "do his utmost" during the Battle of Minorca at the start of the Seven Years' War.
1794 – American inventor Eli Whitney patented the cotton gin (pictured).
1978 – Israeli-Lebanese conflict: The Israel Defense Forces began Operation Litani, invading and occupying southern Lebanon, and pushing Palestine Liberation Organization troops north up to the Litani River.
1991 – The "Birmingham Six", wrongly convicted of the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings in Birmingham, England, were released after sixteen years in prison.

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1 Pi day issue
2 Events on this day
3 Steak and a BJ Day
4 Saints on this day

[edit] Pi day issue

Worldwide - Pi Day, a celebration of the constant 3.14.

Surely this is North American rather than worldwide, and also Pi is not exactly 3.14? In most of the world the date is denoted is 14/3/year, not 3/14/year. International Pi day would be 31 April, or 22 July (22/7 is over 10 times as accurate as a 3 s.f. decimal expansion)

Lone_nut 86.144.254.142

Err...there's no such thing as April 31. Fool. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.225.1.161 (talk) 15:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

We list national holidays/observances here. Whether this constitutes an "observance" for the purposes of this article, I'm not certain. At least it's national in scope. Rklawton 23:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Not claiming it isn't a substantial observance, just whether it's 'worldwide' or not. The article lists several days called Pi Day, and it would seem odd if a worldwide community had standardised on the north american date format and recommending we change the word 'worldwide' to 'North America'

That's a really good point. We should look back to the article and use it as our guide. Rklawton 23:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Events on this day

Albert Einstein's birthday is listed as an 'event' (as well as a birth) and includes a less than impartial description. I think it should be removed from events, the 'Births' entry is perfectly adequate.

[edit] Steak and a BJ Day

I say add it because it's awesome. You get a steak, and oral pleasing too. How is that not notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.95.64.254 (talk) 22:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Why can't you put "Steak and a BJ Day" on here. This is totally important, seeing as how it is only legitimate if it gets on wikipedia and all...

It's a non-notable holiday. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steak and Blowjob Day (Third Nomination) --ImmortalGoddezz 22:20, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely is still notable. two or three of my friends were talking about it the other day i had no clue... i had heard it before but didnt really know about it. anyway, i went around asking people and it seemed like everyone knew about it but me. Furthermore, i googled it and found many discussions and websites referencing it. Id say if its still around next year it deserves to have another vote. 24.138.62.120 (talk) 14:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

This pseudo-holiday must have gotten some media coverage somewhere because there has been a recent increase in attempts to add it. It does not belong. It does not have an article about it and it is a tongue-in-cheek non-holiday. Please do not add it. The joke is getting very old. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 03:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

This holiday does not have its own wikipedia entry because it has been deleted--Multiple times. Each time users have argued for its deletion "because it isn't notable." Every year this holiday grows more widely known--That this has resulted in more people trying to add it should be no surprise: That means it is notable. Surprise, surprise. This holiday is more well known (and widely known) than spanksgiving (which has been celebrated for the last several years in Philadelphia, and includes a parade through Philadelphia.) and (apparently) comes from a very similar source--A radio personality. I've never seen anyone actually participate in "talk like a pirate day," But I HAVE seen the spanksgiving day parade. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.79.191 (talk) 03:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup, growing more notable. Several sources outside wikipedia have it, but wikipedia doesn't like it. It's as made up as Pi Day, so why does Pi day get a reference? Heh, the people I know are talking about S&BJ Day (or Homemade Meal and Sexual Favors Day), and neglecting to mention Pi Day. Heathen, non-Math worshippers :P

~ender 2008-03-14 11:24:AM MST

A google search for '14th March' brings it up as a top entry, so surely its worthy of recognition under 14 March in wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.169.65 (talk) 14:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Compare to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singles_Awareness_Day which is acceptable here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.2.163 (talk) 22:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Observances cannot be included based on comparison with others. This observance must be considered on its own merits. Please do not bring Pi day or other observances into this discussion. It is a fabricated holiday and is entirely un-encyclopedic. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 22:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Who the heck has the right to declare any other well known item as un-encylopedic. The fact is, it is a well known day, and like any other thing, wishing it didn't exist, or the failure of a small group of people to recognize it doesn't make it go away. The fact it exists, even if it is not notable enough for some of you, is reason enough to add it. It is verifiable, it always has a consistent day associated with it, and multiple people from around the world are talking about it, 2 of which were telling me about it at lunch. Un-encyclopedic? Non-Notable? who the hell are you people to decide what the public should see on this website. That is ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.25.77 (talk) 01:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Your logic is flawed; You say: "It is a fabricated holiday and is entirely un-encyclopedic." Every holiday that we now celebrate was "fabricated" at some point in history. By your logic, there wouldn't be any holidays, or days of note. When other users compare days like S.A.D. (Singles Awareness Day), International Talk Like A Pirate Day, and Pi day; What they are drawing attention to is the fact that similar celebrations having been created around the same time, and having the same amount of public recognition are deemed "of note," whilst "Steak and Blow-job Day" has been singled out as "not noteworthy." In my estimation, the only reason for the treatment "Steak and Blow-job Day" has received is childish squeamishness. As of this writing "steak and blow-job day" returns almost 250,000 results from Google. If I do not see a better explanation for the exclusion of this observance, or at the least some well-reasoned argument by the next time I happen upon this page I will continue to add "Steak and Blow-job Day" to the list until such time as either; I see a good reason from those dissenting (or at least well reasoned argument), OR my edits are no longer contested (They remain in place). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.79.191 (talk) 05:41, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

When there is an article about it we can begin to discuss its notability. The fact that articles written on the subject have been deleted 6 times indicates lack of notability. If it is not notable enough to have an article, it is not notable enough for inclusion in this list. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 15:39, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

This is not intelligent debate. Saying "We'll talk about it when there is an article about this event -- There has been an article but it has been deleted multiple times." does not constitute intelligent debate. Having an article on Wikipedia does not make an occurance notable, thus this in an invalid arguement. I will now reinstate the reference, as the consensus of those who are debating intelligently is for its inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.26.140 (talk) 22:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Please try to understand. The standard for inclusion is that an observance has to be the subject of an article (except in the case of a religious feast - which has to be mentioned in the subject's bio article). I can't imagine how someone can argue that if something is not notable enough for its own article, it still must be notable enough for listing in a list that requires notability. This is Wikipedia. Suggesting that "Having an article on Wikipedia does not make an occurance notable" is preposterous. That is how it works here. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 22:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Please try to understand that this is Earth in the year 2008 C.E.; Not everything of note is on wikipedia, and by the same token, not everything that is on wikipedia is of note. This is in essence the arguement we are having: You say that the topic up for inclusion is not of note, simply because it is not on wikipedia. This is, as you say, preposterous. Onto your other point: "This is how we've always done it." This is a vacuous argument. Just because you have always done something a particular way does not mean that it is the best way to do it. For example: Before humans discovered that meat was better cooked (as over an open flame), we ate meat raw. You are arguing for the status quo, please check your logic. Also please check [[1]], as this seems to destroy your arguement; you say that the page must exist for the event to be "notable" by your definition. Since it is not possible for anyone who is not an admin to edit that page, your arguement is falicious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.26.140 (talk) 00:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Misquoting me does nothing to bolster your argument. I never said "This is how we've always done it" in reference to this topic. Since the article has been protected from creation that means that consensus exists that the event (in any form) has no place on the English Wikipedia. From your comments I can only conclude that you have no interest in having a rational discussion on the topic and your only goal is to be argumentative and/or disruptive. You clearly have no understanding of what Wikipedia is about and you have no interest in learning. Your responses are childish and unproductive. Since your only edits have been in reference to this topic, you clearly have no serious interest in contributing to the project. I only continue to respond for the sport of it. But I guess it would be better for me to stop feeding the troll. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

You seem to have no interest in a rational discussion either. Simply because an admin has made this "issue" his pet project (or wishes to avoid such) does not mean that a consencus exists beyond whichever administrator, in fact, locked the page. My goal is not to be "argumentative and/or disruptive" for no reason -- as a troll would -- I only seek to expose what I see as an untruth (or at most a partial truth). The untruth being that the reason that "Steak and Blowjob Day" is not worthy of being on Wikipedia due to being "not of note." I have no problem with someone saying that they feel it is a bullshit, or "made up" holiday. It is. That does not change the fact that there are people in this world who observe the holiday. You clearly do not like to do things the way they are done in the real world -- people debate issues with the aid of facts, and, opinions. The fact is that "Steak and Blowjob Day" is observed; If you, and/or the admin(s) responsible for the locking of said page wish to express your distaste for "Steak and Blowjob Day" the best place to do so would be on its own page. There could be a section explaining it, then likely a large number of other sections bashing it. That would be the reasonable thing to do. The current "solution" amounts to censorship. This isn't China for God's sake.... Anyway, on to your last point: the edits tied to me (the IP's from which I've been posting). Just because I have chosen not to make an account does not mean that I have never made any edits that you would call "productive." Also, just so you don't accuse me of "sock-puppetry" I wish to make it clear that I have posted to this discussion from at least 2 IP's (at least 2 locations with dynamic IP addresses). "71.230.26.140" "71.175.79.191" are definately me. In the future, please realize that people like myself are not statistical anomalies. I have had long term internet connectivity at: My home (two neighbors' unsecured wireless AP's, Dial-up), My parents' business (which recently switched from Comcast to Verizon FiOS), My vacation home (I haven't used this since last August), Where I went to high-school (8th-12th grades; I haven't used this since last June), Where I'm attending College (Three Campi I have taken classes at), My local public library (Mostly their main branch, but they have over a dozen satilites), The Scout Reservation I worked on durring 2006, Where I work now (currently has only Comcast, but should be getting FiOS in addition later this month)...... I could go on, but I'm sure you get the point: I have at numerious times in the last 5 years had access to a total of more than 30 unique IP addresses -- and usually more than 4 at any given time. Now please, let us get back to the actual topic up for debate: "Steak and Blowjob Day" and not on your opinion of me -- If I truely had "...no interest in having a rational discussion..." I would not have attempted to cause such. Please do not confuse me being somewhat confrontational with disinterest in truly rational discussion. You know what they say about "assumption." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.79.191 (talk) 03:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I have tried to engage in reasoned debate those who wish to see "Steak and Blowjob Day" just go away. For a time, I did engage one of such in debate (although I do not believe his end was soundly reasoned, it may well have been the result of miscommunication), but without continued debate, I must declare my side the winner (when one side doesn't show up, the other wins by default; this is true in both sports and law). If I do not see any dissenting votes before the end of this month (Wednesday April 30th, 2008 -- which is more than 5 whole days away...) I reserve the right to add "Steak and Blowjob Day" to the list of observances on the March_14 page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.175.79.191 (talk) 02:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The community has determined that this event does not rise to the level of notability required for it to have an article dedicated to it. The community is not me and the decision was not made by me. It was not made and cannot be made on this talk page. Further discussion of this topic on this talk page is pointless. If you wish to voice your concern that the article on the subject should be allowed to be created, please make your case at WP:RFUP. Before doing so, I suggest that you read the previous arguments for deletion of the article here, here and here. And here is the latest attempt at having it unprotected. The article has been created and deleted at least 9 times. It is unlikely that consensus can be created for creation of the article - but good luck. Without an article, the observance cannot be listed on this date page. Also, have a look at WP:NOTDEMOCRACY before asking for a vote on a topic. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 17:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little tight on time, so forgive me for being blunt. I have time to say what I feel needs to be said, but not enough time to phrase it diplomatically. Don't give me this "not a democracy" shit; It isn't relevant to the discussion. As we have discussed, decisions are made through "debate." The problem is that the people with the "power" to end debate and declare a "winner" are not being fully honest in their reasons, nor are they being at all transparent. If Wikipedia EVER wants to become an academically accepted, credible source this must change. This whole process reeks of politics. I can't stand politics -- too much bullshit. People say one thing when they mean another. I don't really care about "Steak and Blowjob Day" in particular; I simply feel that the stated reason for exclusion is bogus. The "Holiday" has significant references -- what more is wanted? Please, tell me and I will do my best to find it. Also, the reason for its latest attempt's refusal is a total load: "Declined. Your article appears to be a joke. Wikipedia only contains factual entries, so your comedic efforts cannot be rewarded here. Yngvarr (c) 23:21, 10 April 2008 (UTC)." I'm sorry, but there are plenty of "jokes" documented on Wikipedia, so this just doesn't grock. I want to see Wikipedia become an acceptable source for academia, but in its present state, it isn't even close. And currently, given the level of BS I see in this particular case, I cannot in good conscience argue for Wikipedia with my professors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.31.184.207 (talk)

One more thing I don't know if I said in my last post here: I never asked for a vote, or even suggested that one would be appropriate. I'm not going to read through pages and pages of completely useless knowledge -- I'm a college student with a job and a life outside of wikipedia (i.e. I simply don't have the time or interest). However, my understanding of how such things work is that when there is a disagreement, it is 'solved' (for lack of a better word) through debate. Debate involves two (or more) parties (or sides) arguing facts. When one party or side fails to participate, the other wins by default (This concept also applies to the U.S. legal system). Please do not assume that the way you have seen things done (and may have been led to believe is the correct way to do things) is the right way to do said things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.224.169 (talk) 20:55, 7 May 2008 (UTC)