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Contents 1 Chhatrapati? 2 Why His Majesty 3 History of South Asia 4 Maratha literature , Movies etc 5 Tagged Maratha empire-->Relations with South India 6 Citations 7 Maratha Military 8 Sikh Caste System 9 Expansion of section , Maratha empire coinage at Indian coinage

[edit] Chhatrapati?

The article needs some explanation for the name / honorific "Chhatrapati".

Is this a name or an honorific? I see that the Maratha emperors all have this attribution, which makes me think it must be an honorific: so that needs to be explained. If not, if it is merely a name, that needs explanation as well.

'Chattrapati' is a honorific. It means 'Emperor' or 'Lord Of The World'. Chaatrapati (छत्रपती)is honorific which literally means Master (owner) of Chhatra ( Umbrela). An umbrela is a symbol for kingdom and owner of it is called Pati

[edit] Why His Majesty

I think the honorific "His Majesty" is inappropriate in usage in the article. As explained above, all Maratha kings were honoured with the term 'Chhatrapati' and hence there is no need to prefix a 'His Majesty' (or 'Her Majesty') before the names of the rulers. It is also quite anachronistic as the term "His Majesty" is of a period after the fall of the Maratha empire and is British in its roots.

Nikhil Umesh (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of South Asia

I've noticed that this article is linked to using the History of the Indian Subcontinent box, but does not include it on this page. I'd add it, but I'm not very good at editing layout.--YGagarin 19:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

As you have instructed, I have added the link for History of South Asia in this page, in the SEE ALSO section. If you need any more help with editting, please let me know.--Vande75 05:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I had meant more specifically this, but I don't know how to properly position it within the article.--YGagarin 05:59, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Why, the page does appear on the template! Fifth from bottom. I had included it a long time ago. ImpuMozhi 12:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

But the template is not in the article.--YGagarin 16:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maratha literature , Movies etc

[edit] Tagged Maratha empire-->Relations with South India

The reason I tagged this page is because it fails to open up all issues concerning the Marathas. It only talks of their greatness. The page focusses on how the Marathas (including Shivaji) fought for the hindu cause, but does not mention the ransacking of temples, harrassment of Kannada Hindu people in north Karnataka. I am putting in all that info over the next couple of hours. This is from a valid source and the referencd author and his book will be provided. The world needs to see to History in true light, not just hthe positve side.

Dinesh Kannambadi

Hi , It would be very nice if u get some relaible sources for ur claims.Plz dont enrage us by such statements which has nas no backings.Plz note that fanatic sources are present everywhere,if u want to stick to Mr.Kamat we might get few such sources too.Thanks.Mahawiki 13:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

• Maratha plunder of Chattisgarh from govt., website
• Marathas'(Shivaji's) plunder of Gujarat
• Marathas plunder of Jodhpur and Marwar (Rajasthan)
• Maratha atrocities, plunder and loot of Bengal and Orissa

The above are some sources for the plunder of neighbouring states by Shivaji and Marathas in general. I am sure if we search we will find more. Sarvagnya 16:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

The fourth link I added now is where the unregistered user seems to have taken his stuff from. Do not try to mislead by saying that his/her writeup was already included in the first three links I had provided Sarvagnya 19:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, so the question arises about the alleged plunder of neighbouring states by Marathas. The above user has mentioned three sources, to name a few of the many, which claim Maratha plunder of their regions. These claims apart from being of speculative nature are backed by jingoism. The last 2 links provided are obviously from some jingoistic website. Dr. S.R. Deshpande in his Marathi book "Marathyanchi Manaswini" describes how a few people from neighbouring states of Maharashtra developed this tendency to criticize the Maratha Empire as plunderers, loose-knit, ransackers, etc. just to fuel their regional jingoism. More often than not these claims come from leaders, which itself explains why. Eminent historian Babasaheb Purandare has refuted the "baseless claims" made by some jingoistic Rajput websites and forums about the alleged plundering and discrimination against others. The point is everyone can find flaws with every other kingdom and Empire of India. Perhaps, the most important reason why some people feel like bashing Marathas is because the Maratha Empire was more synonymous with Marathi language, very much unlike other ancient kingdoms of India who patronized other languages of their territories as well. However, such things neither have astring of truth in them nor do they serve any purpose. The "History of the Marhattas" by Grant Duff as well as Bombay University's "Maratha History - Seminar Volume" both considered seminal and impartial works on Marathas fail to mention any such things. So, these so-called "claims" serve only one purpose - Rake up jingoistic passions at the cost of negative portrayal of a particular Empire. I hope the air has been cleared.

And I am removing the "history" presented by an anonymous user since most of it is picked from the above links so generously provided by the registered user. Thank you

• If the first of the links I provided had not been from a government website, you would probably have probably labelled that information merely jingoistic too. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean something becomes a lie, especially in the face of so many sources claiming that the Marathas committed atrocities wherever they set foot(outside Marathi speaking lands). Every non-Marathi source speaks of these atrocities, be it in Karnataka or orissa or bengal or gujarat, chattisgarh, rajasthan... Everbody is a liar and a jingoist and Marathas alone are the saints.
• I have given these internet links just for 'prima facie' evidence/purposes. It is not difficult to find references to any of these atrocities committed in history books written by acknowledged historians. It is just that I do not have the time right now to go to the library and look up the history books for Marathi history. But I hope somebody works on this to include valid history and show history for what it is. Including this information will make the article more complete and take it further towards FA status. Thank you. Sarvagnya 19:14, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

--NRS | ^T/_M\^B 18:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Tags should not be put on articles where info is missing. As it is this article was never tagged as disputed, nor has a history of edit wars. So putting the tags is highly inappropriate. If you have any information which you feel needs to be added, feel free to add the information. However, I must warn that if the information is controversial, disputed, speculative, derogatory or POV, it is highly imperative if you discuss it on the talk page first. Remember, what to edit and how to edit it is your prerogative, but unfair editing is not tolerated in Wikipedia. So, it's upto you to do what you want.

--NRS^{(talk to me,mail me or award me a barnstar)} 16:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

There are some points which are really need to be clarified before discussing the realations of Maratha's with South India —Preceding unsigned comment added by V sumdi (talk • contribs) 15:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Citations

This is one of the most flowery articles I have seen Please down play adjectives, provide citations with page numbers, maintain neutrality.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 05:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

This is better than ur kannada nonsense which u drop everywhere. Poor u,u r getting nervous because truth is nearing!! Vishu123 06:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Please keep your conversation to the matter. This page clearly lacks citations and seems to have been constructed more in the "Amar Chitra Katha" (Children stories) format. This flowery language is not acceptable to wiki neutral standards. Please provide required citations. You have removed my valid "English language" citations. This is unethical.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 15:30, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

U should be the last one to talk about ethics. Ur kannada nonsense even more bad than Amar chitra katha. Ur glorification of kannada empire and dragging other empires to ur nonsense if laughable. I will be looking at ur flowery language in ur other articles too. Vishu123 16:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading the above comments I realise that even today the flaws in our society that allowed the British to rule over India are blatantly visible. I agree that no kingdom is without its share of oppressions. Even the great Greek and Roman empires had their flaws. Accept the valid flaws. Just because one site (whether government or not)says that the Marathas were oppressive dont accept it. Clearly there is a need of a more educated writing about the Marathas. There needs to be more Encyclopedic content rather than references to various websites. Sule Rohan 17:34, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Rohan Sule

I came to this page purely out of curiousity, but now that I've seen the kind of comments that Vishnu & others have put up, I'm convinced that the dispute was valid. I must ask for Vishnu's racist comments to be reported to the Wiki panel. This is not acceptable. He is disgracing Indian unity on the web in front of the whole world!!! Dineshkannambadi, all the best. Need any help let me know. I personally doubt if American University webistes can be classified as biased or jingoistic, but people will believe what they want to believe. Rohan Sule, well said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aman Zaidi (talk • contribs) 08:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Maratha Military

A section on the Maratha military is needed. TathD 11:13, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sikh Caste System

It implies that the Sikhs had a caste system can someone elaborate as I taught the Sikhs rejected the caste system.

[edit] Expansion of section , Maratha empire coinage at Indian coinage

Editors can help by improving the section Maratha empire in the article Indian coinage.-- Vishal1976 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.247.252.189 (talk) 07:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)