User talk:Mandsford

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Hello, Mandsford, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] Gans

Thanks for the article. I am wondering if you by any chance know how the Hitz family was connected to the GANS family? --Markbenjamin (talk) 02:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] "Let's get out of here"

You article about the overuse of the line "Let's get out of here," while humorous, is unfortunately in violation of Wikipedia guidelines on original research. It appears you have compiled this list yourself, and have not cited sources from which you've drawn your list. I'm assuming much of it came from your personal movie-watching. If you can provide citations of documented sources for the various movies in which this line is used, that would likely bring this article into compliance. Otherwise, the article may face an article for deletion review process. Realkyhick 07:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


(Response) I anticipated this, but it's not intended as a facetious article. (If I can get to the article again, I'll add the sources, which were from books and from imsdb.com, and I'll delete the M.L. Ford part); Coincidentally, I, too, am a real Kentucky hick, though I still live here.
The prevalence of "let's get out of here" is noted not just in the Guinness "Film Facts & Feats" book (Patrick Robertson, 1985), but on commentaries that go with films, such as DVD-TV on AMC. Did I sit and watch all these movies myself? Of course not. I referred to the Internet Movie Script Database (imsdb.com).
The research is no less original than the numerous articles about a TV episode from some new TV series. And don't get me started about how every other article seems to feature a cultural reference to "The Simpsons". Geez Louise, it's like I can't read about polyurethane without a note that says, "Bart says the word 'polyurethane' in Episode 7 of the 10th season". Please, let this one grow and be added to. LGOOH is fun for movie buffs. Mandsford 17:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, watching all those movies is not out of the question. Someone here probably has. :-) Yeah, I'm really tired of the individual articles for episodes of various series, with the possible exception of M*A*S*H (TV series).
The IMSDB database (which I'd never heard of until you mentioned - thanks!) would be a very credible source. Don't forget to give the full citation for that and other citations. You might also add a note on the talk page explaining the prior speedy deletion and how you've improved the second effort.
At least you had the good sense to stay in Kentucky, a/k/a "God's Country." Realkyhick 22:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

OKAY, so how do I get my deleted page back? Do I have to write it all over again? Please let me know....

Yeah, the deletion policy is taken pretty seriously, if for no other reason we get so much absolute crap that gets posted on a minute-by-minute basis. It's probably not enforced evenly, but seeing as how this is pretty much an all-volunteer effort, that's to be expected.
I doubt you can get an admin to dig your old story out of the super-secret vault or wherever the heck deleted articles go for purgatory, so you'll probably have to write it again. (I'm not an admin.) When you do, before you save it, copy and paste the article text into Notepad and save a backup copy, just in case.
(By the way, whereabouts in the Commonwealth are you from? I understand if you're not comfortable saying, though. I'm originally from the Glasgow area.) Realkyhick 19:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Originally from Lexington, but for the last 20 years in Harlan. I've been through Barren Co. many times on the way to Warren Co. (see my next Wikipedia article, "adjacent counties that look like they should sound alike, but are pronounced differently")

[edit] Disambiguation

When you create a wikilink, could you please confirm that it links to the article to which you intend. For instance, you need to type [[The Birds (film)|The Birds]], as The Birds does not link to the article about the film. The JPStalk to me 12:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Civility

Regarding your comments in the AfD for "Let's get out of here in film lore", please refrain from insulting other editors. Remaining civil and responding to the criticism of the article is more likely to achieve a goal which everyone is happy with than name-calling is. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Consider this your second warning regarding civility. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 22:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD comments

Advocating "Discuss" is redundant, given that AfD is in fact a discussion as to whether or not the article/s in question should be deleted. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:23, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Phyllis Crawford

Thanks for creating the article! While there is no "rename" function, there is a "move" link associated with every article. Using it moves the article (including the full edit history) over to the new title, and turns the current article into a redirect. Very handy. -- MisterHand 11:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just remember

Even if a user is vandalising, acting in bad faith and generally carrying on in manners unbecoming, descending to his/her level isn't the way to go. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] brilliant argument

on the Baldock Beer Disaster AfD. I just went there and said so, and I suggest what you ought to do now is to rewrite it as an article about a hoax, instead of just the italic heading, Remember, all the previous versions before it was caught will be in the page history. DGG 00:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Well done, and now, it is considered OK to email the earlier people and say you greatly improved it, and please will they take another look. One of the reasons I liked that argument is that I realised I can use it regularly myself, not just about hoaxes, but for questioned articles on Wikipedia people. DGG 18:35, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Apparently the rest of the world doesn't think it's so brilliant. When we argue to convince other people, they after all are the judge. The way to survive around here is to regard this as a laboratory where you don't always expect things will go right, or a microcosm where willful idiocy can be entertaining. DGG 20:00, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] User:DGG

Hi, I see you're posting messages for DGG on his userpage, but messages for users go on their talk page, not on the userpage. Go to User talk:DGG to leave DGG a message. Cheers, Mystytopia 18:50, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect of Let's get out of here!

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Let's get out of here!, by Graeme Bartlett (talk · contribs), another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Let's get out of here! is a redirect to a non-existent page (CSD R1).

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Let's get out of here!, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Please note, this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion, it did not nominate Let's get out of here! itself. Feel free to leave a message on the bot operator's talk page if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot. --Android Mouse Bot 2 07:07, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] songs about...

Yes, I too have noticed the new trend in AfD and now I have quite a collection of these which is likely to grow faster than I can evaluate much less improve them. Still, I plan to reintroduce one or two of the endangered specie. Once I test the waters we'll see if its a complete waste of time to even bother. Cheers -MrFizyx 03:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

I redirected your user page here because it's rather annoying to see a redlink in someone's sig. Hope you don't mind. Kwsn(Ni!) 18:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] What is Your opinion about Red Army crimes?

What is Your opinion about Red Army crimes category and articles about military (comunistic or not) massacres? Where are You from?

Ttturbo 20:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


>>>Thanks. The day before there started the great discussion about war crimes in

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Red_army_crimes_in_Lithuania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Red_army_crimes_in_Estonia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Red_Army_crimes_in_Georgia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Red_Army_crimes_in_Ukraine

Some slavians attacked me sharply, and some western users too, but there was some little support. Please express Your opinion in those voting for crimes deleting debates!

Ttturbo 20:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. I need one more help - I've created the general article about a Red Army crimes, but my English is not fluent enough unfortunately.

Ttturbo 00:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Just wanted to say thanks for educating the nark who's trying to delete the articles I put up about the Iowa Pre-Flight football teams. The guy (I'll make him a male for this post) obviously doesn't know the first thing about college football, and he was ridiculously ignorant of the proof I shoved right under his nose (I gave him links to my sources, which clearly take down his argument). Several other users have also said "Duh!" and brought him up to speed, so I hope to see the proposal cancelled soon. Again, just a word of thanks. Michigan didn't beat Pre-Flight, and hopefully the Wikinerds won't either.

[edit] Common phrases

It is a very interesting concept, it looks to be the type of thing that would be perfect for Wikiversity. I'm going to be moving this week, but if you'd be interested in doing the transwiki, I'd be happy to userfy it for you. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Since Chris S has stated he's going to take it to DRV, let him do that first. It'll probably be history-restored during the DRV anyway. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What I like

[http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=corpx&site=en.wikipedia.org The postcount tool pretty much shows what I've contributed on. I mainly contribute to UT/sports related stuff and on some limited pc games Corpx 04:24, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Singapore companies

I agree with you that it's good to know who's where, but do you think a virtual office company that no longer exists is really a worthwhile addition to a list (it was a dispute regardingPacific Centennial Group that got me to that list)? You also assume that there's a limiting factor on the content of the list by size. If you look again, you will see there is not, so there's no reason some guy with a garage-based business couldn't put his company on there. In short, I think you make good points, and if the list adhered to those rules, I'd see no reason to delete it. However, it doesn't and the material is duplicated in two other places on WP to boot. MSJapan 05:53, 4 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Iowa pre-flight

I don't know what happened. I'm not an admin, so I can't delete articles -- you might want to check the deletion log to find out who deleted it. Ten Pound Hammer • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re. List of songs AfD

Hi dear Mansford! Regarding your comments at my talk page, well, the deletion process worked as it regularly does. Like you said yourself, there was a good number of arguments, which I pondered and gauged when analyzing the best way in which to close it. Not only I did read every comment in detail, but I also took the time to investigate further and read the whole debate at Deletion Review from late May. However, I disagree with you on your position that the debate was "abruptly halted"; as you know, these discussions usually last for 5 days. In this particular case, it remained open for a week; that is, substantially longer than a normal debate, which gave ample time for the community to express itself. As you also said, not only the comments endorsing the deletion of these articles more than tripled tho who sought to keep them, which is a vast proof of a clear consensus for this position in itself; but I also took note and valued every argument made in order to make my decision. You are of course entitled to disagree with me as the closing admin, as well as with every editor who expressed themselves in favor with this deletion, and I therefore encourage you to seek further debate at Deletion Review if you deem it necessary. Have a beautiful day, Phaedriel - 17:41, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Songs About Mental Illness AfD

(copied from User talk:DESiegel) Actually, the vote was 5 to 3, if it's strictly numbers that we're going by. Read the debate again. Mandsford 16:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Your expressed opinion was "Take down and Retool" which i can't interpret as a form of keep. Indeed it could have been counted as "userfy and delete" making the numbers 6 to 2. However, as I explained in the close, I went by considerably more than just the numbers. Do you think the close was in error? DES (talk) 16:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turtles and tortoises

I am more than happy to review my deletion; the wiki-software does not retain in accessible form a log of deletions categorised by admin, so I will need to know the title of the article in question. I will then get back to you, either with an apology or an explanation. --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 19:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/History of the relationship of osteopathic and allopathic medicine in the United States

I've responded to another commenter, and I think it is relevant to your comment, as well. At any rate, thanks for your participation in the AfD. Antelan talk 03:23, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your input into keeping this article. The story of the acceptance of alternative medical therapies in the United States is very, very important. The article needs a lot of work . . . but deleting it. I just don't see the justification for that.OsteopathicFreak T ? 23:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] London Mail Processing Plant

Thanks for the comment and I feel better not bitter now, I had the same problem when they wanted to delete me Wayne Ray because they thought I wasn't notable but twice as many people came to my defense and they cowered away. I have saved it and I think I will put it in the Talk page on Commons on the article by the same name, which if you think about it, is so boring it should be deleted LOL but I am in the mood of information is important to someone out there, Cheers WayneRay 22:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)WayneRay

Did you even read that there was already a catagory for the information and that the page was the fourth redundancy of the information, or do you make it a habit to be rude whereever you go? NobutoraTakeda 01:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Usually rude, but 80 percent not rude, just in dealing with people who have no connection to the series of article I am now scrapping, and deem anything other than the main article as useless. A cleanup tag would have been more polite WayneRay 13:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)WayneRay

So many people contributing redundant pages makes it okay? Thats not even close to being correct. There is a catagory that lists every single link that is listed on that page. Then each list is done by year. That means that a king who lives for 60 years is on 60 different lists, 60 different spots in the catagory, and 60 different places on the list that duplicates the catagory. It doesn't take much to realize that the pages need to be deleted and that they should be done solely by individual catagories done in a broader way than just year. NobutoraTakeda 01:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Look at this and tell me that there isn't a problem with redundancy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_state_leaders_by_year "List of state leaders in 1 BC" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_leaders_by_year#First_century_BC "First century BC

   1 "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_leaders_in_1_BC "Africa

   * Kush
        2. Natakamani, King of Kush (1 BC-AD 20)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_leaders_in_1 "Africa

   * Kush - Natakamani, King of Kush (1 BC-AD 20)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_state_leaders_in_2 "Africa

 * Kush - Natakamani, King of Kush (1 BC-AD 20)"

It goes on for 21 pages for just that one guy. NobutoraTakeda 01:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

That is not a quality answer that establishes Wikipedia as an Encyclopedia, but makes it just a redundant list of lists of lists. You have provided no answer to the fact that it could easily be replaced by a much more efficient set of catagories based on century and giving tags of those individuals who are part of those centuries, and those centuries are part of the larger catagory. That would make one set of list. Not 5000. NobutoraTakeda 01:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Irritates? The only thing irritating is people voting without realizing that there is a catagory also. Either one or the other should exist, not both. That is basic. Then there is the issue of needing the big page listing all the little pages, where most of the big page link to pages not made yet. The folks in that group bit off a lot more than they could chew when they could easily have organized it by century or, at least, decade. Normally I just satisfied myself with wandering as an IP and making changes to "random article"s. However, someone kept removing my prods so I had to go and register to make it something that can't just be dismissed. I believe its just as important to remove bad things as it is to add good things, just like legislatures should remove laws instead of just passing new ones. New things, even if good, add clutter over time. Housekeeping is a good thing. Redundancies and lists without any substantial information included are such things that I look for. And my name is not actually Nobutora Takeda. I chose that proxy name 15 years ago in honour of the legendary second to last "true" Samurai, the last being his son. I only wish that my surname was of such an important clan, and if so, I bet I could have made it as "notable" according to the standards that many chose to include people into Wikipedia. NobutoraTakeda 03:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

If it is truly so difficult to make the list like that, wouldn't it be easier to make a list Leaders of 100 BC - 1 BC? NobutoraTakeda 03:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List_of_songs_about_masturbation is in it's 5th AfD

List_of_songs_about_masturbation is up for it's fifth AfD. You participated in an earlier one. If you wish to participate again, please go to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_songs_about_masturbation_(5th_nomination) Lentower 03:17, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minorities in Country Music

Hello - this article was deleted because it was an obvious copyvio of [1] (i.e. it largely consisted of material copy-pasted from that site). There was nothing wrong with the content, except for that one fact, which is enough for a speedy deletion (see WP:CSD, I believe it's the 11th rationale under "general"). There is nothing stopping anyone from creating an article there :-) ugen64 10:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wrong attitude

Which AFD's do you object to? Sure, some of the closures are closed a couple of hours early, but are there any judgments that you think I made that were against consensus or unjustified? If there are any, please tell me any I will review them. Sr13 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Robert Young (gerontologist)

Greetings,

In regards to this AFD, you did ask for sources (which I provided) so perhaps you may wish to reconsider your vote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Robert_Young_%28gerontologist%29#Debate_Continues


Ultimately the issue in my mind is not 'vanity' but when articles are created for persons like Mary Ramsey Wood or William Coates and there is an assertion that the case is not true, then someone can Wikilink to my name for more information. Also, in the past researchers often debunked age claims, but then their work was forgotten about. As recently as the 1970's, the mainstream scientic community still believed that persons could live to '140' (i.e. National Geographic article by Alexander Leaf, 1973). Given that there is a long line of researchers from William Thoms to myself today working to debunk false age claims, and that like Mr. Thoms's contributions, my work has already tilted the public discourse towards skepticism, my reasoning for an 'autobiography' had more to do with providing a long line of research that showed that most claims to extraordinary age are false. I also created other articles such as Louis Epstein (supercentenarian tracker), as he was instrumental in the 1990's in the field. I find it ironic that so much controversy surrounds my article creation; it seems that most opposition comes from people, fair accusation or not, who were opposed to my debunking of the Mary Ramsey Wood case. Quite ironic, considering that Wood's 'assertion of notability' involved 15 minutes of fame a century ago, based on false information and a lack of anything more than 'yellow journalism.' I didn't provide a Guinness reference intitially because I didn't want to be 'pigeonholed', but seeing as that was an issue I did in fact add a few references on the discussion page.Ryoung122 17:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stroller history

I stand corrected on that article. I will undelete it. Sr13 18:12, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An essay I've written

Hello. Though we are often on the opposite side of deletion debates, I thought you might want to read an essay I've written, found at User:Eyrian/IPC. I'd be interested to hear any feedback on its talk page. --Eyrian 15:14, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your comments. I moved them to the talk page, where I hope discussion can continue. --Eyrian 23:38, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your support for my list of Indian Women. moon 01:15, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/People_Known_By_One_Name

I responded to your comment there in case you're interested. Useight 04:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cheers

Have some! --Irpen
Have some! --Irpen

Thanks! And please have some from me here for now until, perhaps one day, we can have a good chat over a real drink. Cheers, --Irpen 03:15, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Scientologist celebrities

You are now rich! Maybe, did you get anybody placing five dollars bets with you? I know I wouldn't have! lol Mathmo Talk 01:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Eh, I was annoyed by the fact that a hoax had managed to stay undeleted for so long. Your request is not unreasonable, and I've implemented it. DS 12:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

  • (Oh, and the reason I didn't reply earlier is because you left your first message on my userpage, not my talkpage, so I didn't see it until I checked your contribs.) DS 12:34, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notification of discussion: Guideline/policy governing lists

Given your extensive Wikipedia experience, I'd appreciate your input on the following:

User:Sidatio/Conversations/On list guidelines

Thank you in advance for any thoughts you may have on the topic. Sidatio 01:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NYU in popular culture

This article was recently deleted and I am submitting it for deletion review. As I see you supported keeping Yale in popular culture - an article almost exactly the same as NYU in popular culture - please support me in restoring this page. As the creator of the page I plan on bringing it to the level of Wikipedia in culture should it be restored. Please comment on the process here: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_August_14#NYU_in_popular_culture. Your support is appreciated. Thanks. -- Noetic Sage 23:32, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A riddle in an enigma in a gallon of maple syrup

Hi Mandsford. Enjoyed your comments. CApitol3

SPQV! CApitol3 21:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spells in Harry potter

It is currently under a deletion review. Therequiembellishere 17:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity Explored - request for advice.

Hi,

I noticed that Christianity Explored has been created and deleted twice - I think with two entirely separate articles - and I gather that the last to be deleted was a no-contest deletion as a spammy article with no assertion of notability. I haven't seen it of course, since it was deleted.

IMO Christianity Explored is notable and Wiki should have a good article about it ... but rather than leap in where Angels fear to tread (or fly?) I have created a personal sandbox page to draft something.

I would be grateful for your views - I am contacting all those who commented in the last deletion debate, as you will have seen the previous article.

The article is at [[2]]

Regards

Simon —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Springnuts (talk • contribs) 21:07:26, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Thanks - I have the short version - can live with all this. Problem is that Christian sites are so darned polite - hard to stop them being hugely enthusiastic about things they agree with. But can edit out promotion I hope. I am confused by copyvio comment - short quotes are not copyvio; and that is all that I have copied - but perhaps you were pointing to possible rather than actual problems. Sometimes the back button gets you your conflicted edit material back. Regards Springnuts 22:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I took the puffery out - you were right it was promotion, even though it was someone else's promotion. Article now launched, so it may fly. Springnuts 09:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Please edit away - of course! I too find it odd that Emmaus does not have an entry, however I guess it is the stumbling block that Christianity Explored fell over the first time - are there non-trivial and multiple sources which give information about it. Essentially they are used by different churches - the more hard line evangelical churches use Christianity Explored; more Anglo Catholic ones use Emmaus. Springnuts 08:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Are we nearly there yet equation

Hi there. Since you voted on this AfD, BillC and I have posted some further analysis of the whole "media equations" phenomenon - I was wondering if you'd mind having a look at it and commenting again at the AfD. Personally I don't think that a couple of days' press coverage during the silly season automatically makes something notable, especially when the exercise had more to do with getting publicity for Skoda than solving important mathematical problems. I wonder if I've done enough to persuade you? Best, Iain99 12:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sociolinguistics research in India

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that the Sociolinguistics research in India article has been substantially improved since you !voted in the AfD. If you have time to take a look and comment again on the AfD that'd be great. Thanks! --Zeborah 06:22, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to vote

Hello. The article Stereotypes of whites is being nominated for deletion. If you want, you could state your opinion here. Thank you. M.V.E.i. 21:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ANI thread I started

User Dannicali insulted both you and I in some AfDs and so, please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Incivility_by_User:Dannycali. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 05:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD you commented on - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination)

Please take another look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of portable software (2nd nomination) when you can? You previously left a comment there. I have vastly edited the article in question, and left comments there on the AfD--you may wish to review the situation again in light of this. Thank you. • Lawrence Cohen 16:19, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mass deletion nominations for ethnic group lists

Hi,

I see you've commented on a number of these deletion discussions that have just come up for ethnic-group people lists. Having all of these come up at once is problematic, I think, so I left a message at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents see "Mass deletion nominations for List of [Ethnic Group X] Americans". You may want to follow that or even comment there. Noroton 00:29, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] September 2007

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Leuko 00:49, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Use of insults is not tollerated: see WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I will assume that its genesis is from frustration, but we need to keep civil and focus on the message and not attack the messenger. Some of your comments are reasonably interpreted as ethnic slurs or racist remarks as well and were reported to the notice board: WP:ANI#Ethnic_slurs.2C_personal_attacks.2C_and_incivility_by_User:Mandsford_in_afd_discussions. I will also assume that you meant no harm- but sarcasm and humor rarely come off in text and you should consider that more thoroughly before the next time you want to express them.

Carlossuarez46 06:00, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conversation opener

Please revisit and cast a vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conversation opener as the article has been revised. Thanks, Captain Zyrain 23:55, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just out of curiosity

Is participation in AfD discussions your main reason for using Wikipedia? Judging by this talk page, I would find it difficult to assume otherwise. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 03:17, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to seem like I was judging you as such. I just get tired of people who like the illusion of having power to get articles in which they have no interest deleted. It appears that people would rather delete articles that are messy or uninteresting to them than to do any work and help by making them better. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 17:59, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

And THAT'S why I stop at AfD so often. I've never nominated an article for deletion, on the theory that nobody forces me to read it, but some people seem to enjoy stomping someone else's sand castle. The next question would be, if I feel that way, why vote to delete anything at all... and I guess the way that I look at it, there are some standards of quality that have to be met. And not all articles are a good idea. If someone writes an article about "Britney Spears hairstyles" (hypothetically), I would go along with voting to delete that. It's hard for me to defend high quality material if I'm not willing to identify poor quality.

The answer to poor quality articles isn't deleting them, or else half of wiki probably wouldn't exist. Things generally aren't so nice to look at when they start off. So considering the Romanian profanity article, it definitely looks like crap now, but I've been planning on de-shitifying it when I have time. Romanians (especially young ones) are pretty fond of using words that can't be found in dictionaries, so I think deleting the list, however shit it is now, isn't going to prove useful to those who are interested in the subject, or planning on visiting that area of Europe. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 00:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Hah, that's part of what I was referring to, was those ridiculously long sentences that you might hear once in your life. Those need to go for sure. I guess now that it's been transwiki-ed it's not a big deal. Looks like most of the vote is pretty one-sided, so I guess I'll just take myself back to wiktionary. — [ ric | opiaterein ] — 16:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
  • AfD discussions are an important clean-up tool IMO. I'm glad Mansford participates so much in them :) ;) Bulldog123 20:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] relisting

The article was re-done amid debate, so I'd like to see what people think of the rewritten article rather than just base a consensus determination on the earlier commentators who hadn't benefit of the re-write. Frankly, personally on this article, I couldn't give a crap if it stays or goes but I think when there's a major re-write that purports to address the reasons many people found fault with the article that those people and others should be given an opportunity to comment (again). Cheers, Carlossuarez46 23:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits

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[edit] Timeline VfD

Is there a way to ensure more debate on the article in question? I think I will strike my delete vote if this is being done 'under the radar' in any way. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 14:04, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Christians (3rd nomination)

Just seen your comment. I'm fairly new to editing WP but my impression is that this guy is POV Pushing, and I'm not sure that's appropriate here. How many bites of the cherry is he allowed? --Rodhullandemu 15:54, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments; actually his persistence does not seem to be doing him any favours since I don't see anyone changing their minds. In Greece, this is a criminal offence of "proselytising"! --Rodhullandemu 16:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your comments

I did not find the following comments ([3][4]) very kind; I viewed these as a violation of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I was quite insulted as my dad has been a Los Angeles Kings season ticket holder since 1980 and I've been attending games my whole life, literally (since 1990) and I was insulted when you declared that I knew nothing about hockey. Ksy92003(talk) 02:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 14th century AH

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[edit] AfD on Human chemistry

Hi there, the article has been changed substantially since your vote so you might want to have another look at the new version. All the best Tim Vickers 16:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. The Human chemistry article has now been merged with material from Human molecule, but strong concerns are still being expressed in the deletion discussion that you might want to consider. Tim Vickers 17:08, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Citrus King

I just get a little weary of how he spouts gibberish in one AFD after another that rarely if ever rises above the level of "let's keep it, it's neat" and almost never actually addresses the merits of the nomination. What's scary is he claims to be a teacher, and this is the level of logic and argumentation he brings. I feel sorry for his students. Otto4711 17:44, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Otto here. RobJ1981 13:35, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Reconsider Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Panocracy (2nd nomination)

Hey boss, I posted an opinion on merging panocracy with panarchy and would like to know what you think about it. Thanks. Jwiley80 16:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bible and Qur'an

Hi, I noticed that you have kept a copy of User:Mandsford/Similarities between the Bible and the Qur'an, so I pasted a copy of User:Mandsford/Differences between the Bible and the Qur'an as a subpage of your user page too, assuming you might want to work on rescuing them both. - Fayenatic (talk) 08:15, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Please do not move articles into your userspace in the future. Instead, copy them. It is less disruptive that way. Yahel Guhan 06:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I've started Biblical narratives and the Qur'an, which I hope should follow WP:PSTS, WP:POV, and WP:NOR. You might be interested. Jheald 13:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bilbo

Nice work expanding Theodore G. Bilbo. He was a large character in state and national politics for a couple of decades and eserves a full entry. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what editing war?

you mention an editing war in the religiosity and intelligence afd discussion. please look closer. i see no signs of this. i have edited frequently, respectfully, asking opinions constantly. what makes you think it is an editing war? i have not reverted others' edits. within the bounds of respect of others, there appears to be no hope for the article. could you please explain what you think makes your accusation/ inference appropriate?WotherspoonSmith 10:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

you describe me as "someone who took a great deal of interest in an article, didn't appear to agree with the direction that others were taking it, and then stopped taking an interest in it and nominated it for deletion." The only changes others were taking it was to delete large sections which were original research or POV. i agreed, and joined in. Tell me again how i didn't appear to agree with the direction that others were taking it? it is currently reverted (not by me) to where i left it months ago. rather than GO ALONG WITH the direction others were taking it again by reverting to the scaled back version, i sought clarification of its existence by requesting an AFD. please read the history again, and revise your accusation if you feel this is an accurate recount of recent events.WotherspoonSmith 12:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying this Mandsford. Sorry if i carried on - this is my first AfD.WotherspoonSmith 02:10, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfDs, German & Japanese Envoys etc

I couldn't get this to work. Was there a problem with it? --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 01:56, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I'll have another go. Maybe I misread the instructions. --Rodhullandemu (talk - contribs) 02:02, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks Mandsford i realise that you didn't mean anything by it. I just thought that it would be useful, anyway, its nice to know that there are some nice people around. Thank you. (Hamilton365 23:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC))


[edit] Nazism & Roman Catholic Church

If you are unaware of the links between the Roman Catholic Church, European anti-Semitism and the Nazis and Fascists, you need to do a lot more reading, particularly about the Ustase, Croatia, and the fact that the Third Reich was the most Catholic government in Germany's history and the fact that the Church refused to excommunicate a singly Nazi or fascist from Herr Hitler on down, before, during and after the Holocaust, including Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler, Klaus Barbie, etc. Don't buy into the nonsense that the Nazis were atheists or occultists. Cure your lack of insight on this important issue. Yours, Ibid et al 12:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NBC Blue

I saw the "BNC" footnote...quite curious! You wonder if someone was pulling someone's leg. As to your other contribution, the list of programmes, keep in mind that the section you put it in was specifically for the 1943-1945 era, i.e., after the sale to Noble and before the change to ABC. Your list (worthy as it may be) doesn't belong in this period, because you're focusing (so far) on the early NBC Blue period.

I suggest you strike the section, for the moment, but when you have a representative 1927-1945 list, add it as a *separate* section, sort of an appendix toward the end, so as not to impede the text flow. What you have really is an appendix of a listing of shows, you see. Eric O. Costello 00:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NBC Red/Prehistory of Radio

(Reposting, since I think I bollixed the posting originally.)

In my view, you may get a separate NBC Red page deleted, on the (arguable) grounds that the NBC page itself covers the history of the Red Network. One can go back and forth on that, whether the NBC page provides sufficient detail on the 1926-1951 period, but there is that kind of a risk.

I would point out, however, that there really isn't all that much, especially in the way of advertising literature and the like, on the pre-1926 (i.e., pre-NBC) era of radio, the "prehistory" of radio, or for the first five years (i.e., 1926-1931) of the network period. Very few programmes survive from this era (there's a URL I can give you on that), so most of what survives is the stuff you find in newspapers (like what you've been working on with the schedule), and assorted ephemera. For example, I recently acquired a little booklet called "The Yo-Ho Song by the Happy Wonder Bakers," showing a vocal quartet in front of an NBC microphone, all dressed up in baker's togs (even hats!). It's dated 1929, and was done for a show that was sponsored by Continental Baking. If you look at the Stoopnagle and Budd entry on Wiki, you'll see a photograph (autographed!) of the comedy duo holding a very early model "Columbia" (i.e., CBS) microphone. Digging around on the net will produce a few amazing photos of when CBS experimented with television broadcasting in 1930-1 (!).

An article on the first decade of radio, 1921-1931, covers ground that really hasn't been heavily explored in other articles, and has much potential if you can find examples of pamphlets, postcards and the like to illustrate the article. (I have a modest number of these items from this era, won on eBay.) Why not turn your work from NBC Blue into something brand-new? Eric O. Costello 14:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of List of how the average Wikipedia reader is currently moving

Thanks for the comment, I am more amused than anything about the discussion. Sure the title is ridiculous, but that's no reason to delete it. The thing I really don't understand is how it even could be considered original research, the synthesis/information argument also makes no sense, as the sections are clearly unified as forms of motion which are constantly occurring to every human. As you suggest I have no intention of letting the information go away. I plan on merging it with Motion (physics) as Colonel Warden suggests and as I had already thought of (it's the only page I linked this article directly to). Not sure if I should wait for the vote to call for deletion or just to blank the page, end the discussion, and then wait a couple days and repost in a slightly altered form on Motion (physics). What do you suggest? I have never been involved in deletion discussions or processes before. Earthdirt 13:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NBC Red/NBC Blue

Well, as I said before, I think you ought to finish the 1927 -1943 (1945?) list of programs, and *then* post them. In thinking about it, it might be a very long appendix with not a whole lot of explanatory text (at this point in time), so you could, I think, create a separate page (e.g. "NBC Blue Network Programming"), and then simply create a brief appendix at the end of the Blue Network article, noting: "For a listing of NBC Blue/Blue Network programming from 1927 to 1943 (or 1945), see the entry..." This would have the advantage of allowing you to shape and mold the entry as you develop it, but still accomplish the goal I think you had in mind: giving the reader of the main article a notion of specifics as to programming. And if you are delving into radio listings, keep an eye out for advertisements to spice up the listings.

Query if it is possible to duplicate the kinds of programming grids you see on the ABC, CBS and NBC pages for current programming. If you put, say, 20 of these up, and then started filling them in as you find information, that would not only present it in a graphically appealing manner, but might make it easier for you to figure out where you're missing data.

One reason I wonder about NBC Red is that NBC Red, if I'm not mistaken, redirects to the main NBC page. You should probably prepare yourself for some Wiki guardian deciding sua sponte that the page is duplicative. (Given the dominant nature of NBC Red between 1927 and 1948, it probably *should* have its own page, but Wiki guardians often overlook subtleties.)

Eric O. Costello 20:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An NBC Red Source

It may be difficult, but if you can snag a copy of "Alice in Sponsor-Land," you may find it quite enjoyable. This was a promotional book put out by NBC in early 1941, and it's a generously illustrated look at the NBC Red schedule at that time. It's alluded to in the Blue Network article, and the OGC link is in the bibliography. Eric O. Costello 00:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Man(dsford)!

u r right..(BTW don't need your endorsing of my wiki-contributions). I had a fracas regarding the Hamites with this Afrocentric/Afrocentrist guy I forgot his name, he's very iffy very cocky for a reason BTW just poke fun at him nothing personal or racial. Anyway...Thanx for the 'keep it' stuff...There is this new NyLon The Independent reference I just found and added (see message board). they're popping up like popcorn...As I said, if they do delete NyLon it won't be my personal loss but wiki's. ok big words.. All right then man.. Regards from Lon. Apostolos Margaritis 16:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC) ("that person")

[edit] Edit conflict

There was an edit conflict on the Orgonophila article dicussion. Yes, I had to give praise where praise was due, as well.:O) FlowerpotmaN·(t) 03:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Articles in foreign languages

I think it's more common that an article will turn up here in a foreign language because the original contributor doesn't know English well enough to write about it in that language, rather than "because someone thought it would be fun to post in" whichever language it is. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Allegations

I think you are a bit confused about these AFDs, which is fine! An IP account "corrected" the AFD tag, setting up a new AFD [5] while the original one (with the spelling errors) [6]is still ongoing. Shoy can't close the original AFD or delete the article since he is not an admin, but he did close the second one since it was a duplicate. It looks certain that the article will be deleted shortly, but in the meantime it is not appropriate to blank the article page. I hope that helps clear up a few things! --Slp1 (talk) 22:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Steal This Look! (or, NBC Red Schedules)

For laughs, I went to one of my sources and sorted out the NBC Red Schedule as it was around April 1, 1941 (I think Burns & Allen's show got cancelled right after this). Anyway, here's a chart/template for NBC Red's schedule.


Returning comedies are in red; new comedies are in pink; returning dramas are in green; new dramas are in blue; returning reality shows are in yellow; new reality shows are in gold; news programming is in brown; sports programming is in purple.

All times are Eastern and Pacific (subtract one hour for Central and Mountain time).


7:00 PM 7:30 PM 8:00 PM 8:30 PM 9:00 PM 9:30 PM 10:00 PM 10:30 PM
Sunday Jack Benny Fitch Bandwagon Chase & Sanborn One Man’s Family Manhattan Merry Go Round Album of Familiar Music Hour of Charm
Monday Fred Waring/Local Burns & Allen Bell Telephone Hour Voice of Firestone Dr. I.Q. Brown & Williamson Show Boat Carnation Contented Hour
Tuesday Fred Waring/Local Local/Kaltenborn Johnnie Presents Horace Heidt’s Treasure Chest Battle of the Sexes Fibber McGee & Molly Bob Hope Pepsodent Show Brown & Williamson Dog House
Wednesday Waring/Local Cavalcade of America Jergens-Woodbury Brown & Williamson Plantation Party Eddie Cantor Mr. District Attorney Kay Kyser
Thursday Waring/Local Cugat/Kaltenborn Maxwell House Aldrich Family Bell Telephone Hour Kraft Music Hall Sealtest Show
Friday Waring/Local Alec Templeton Cities Service Concert Information Please Waltz Time Everyman’s Theatre Wings of Destiny
Saturday Local Local/Kaltenborn Knickerbocker Playhouse Truth or Consequences National Barn Dance Uncle Ezra

[edit] Happy Thanksgiving!

Photograph of pumpkin pie.
Photograph of pumpkin pie.

I just wanted to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Happy Thanksgiving! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:04, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Jackson

Hello, Please consider visiting WP:RFD#Presidency redirects if you are interested in getting the Presidency of Andrew Jackson redirect deleted. Thanks =) --MosheA (talk) 00:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mickey Rooney

Hi. I have been working on tabling filmographies for the WP project and came across this article. I saw that you had added quite a bit of information that was cited. The problem I am having is that I have no idea whatsoever where this is from. Your reference says "Current Biography" but it would really need a book/article title, author, etc. If you would let me know what it is, I would be happy to update the references. Thank you. Wildhartlivie 03:45, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Query re NBC Red

At what point would you be interested in some suggested text changes in the article? I'm asking, of course, rather than going ahead and making them. The changes would be largely in the nature of organization and presentation of the material, not necessarily changes in substance. Eric O. Costello 01:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Jill Morgenthaler

An article that you have been involved in editing, Jill Morgenthaler, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jill Morgenthaler. Thank you. I was the nominator for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Jagla as well. Toddst1 17:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NBC Red wipe

There's something to be said for your argument, since strictly speaking, it's not a program guide for current/future broadcasts. I would try to locate an administrator (perhaps someone you've gotten along with from previous work) and try to get it reversed. Look on my talk section, and you might get the name of a chap who helped reverse some picture deletions until I could fix the (c) status. Eric O. Costello (talk) 23:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm the one who yanked the listings. By definition, it does violate the WP:NOT guidelines. Is there something I've missed in my interpretation? --Mhking (talk) 23:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I'd direct your attention to this text from the WP:NOT guidelines. "Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business. For example, an article on a radio station generally should not list upcoming events, current promotions, phone numbers, current schedules, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant programme lists and schedules (such as the annual United States network television schedules) may be acceptable. Furthermore, the Talk pages associated with an article are for talking about the article, not for conducting the business of the topic of the article. Wikipedia is not the yellow pages." (emphasis mine) Note the specific reference to annual US network television schedules, which would be a close parallel to this, the annual schedules of NBC Red during a historic period, 1926-1952. These schedules would not, obviously, list upcoming events, current promotions, or current schedules. I would argue that the WP:NOT guidelines have a specific carve-out for the kind of thing NBC Red had. Eric O. Costello (talk) 01:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'm not trying to be a hardass, by any stretch of the imagination. And that being the case, I'll do what I can to help, though I'm not a genius when it comes to constructing the WP-style tables. --Mhking (talk) 02:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Joyeux Noël

The composer of my favorite Christmas carol.
The composer of my favorite Christmas carol.

I just want to wish my fellow Wikipedians a Merry Christmas! Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 21:52, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your college football articles

I've noticed you've created several college football articles. First off, they are great articles and great contributions to the encyclopedia. Just a couple things. Per WP:CAPS, please make sure that only the first word of the article title is capitalized (unless the other word(s) are proper). I have moved several articles recently, such as 1975 College Football Season was moved to 1975 college football season. Lastly, I do not know if you are a member of the college football WikiProject, but our goal is to increase the coverage of college football-related articles on Wikipedia. In the future, when you create articles related to college football, it would be MUCH appreciated if you could add the WikiProject banner to the article's talk page. To do this, just go to the article's talk page and add {{WikiProject College football}}. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me or the members of the WikiProject. Thank you.↔NMajdan•talk 20:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the reason its not 1975 NCAA Division I FBS football season is because the league didn't split to multiple divisions until 1978 I believe.↔NMajdan•talk 02:27, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Hope you're not too mad at me, but I've opened up a discussion on renaming your college football articles to the format that you said you didn't like. As the creator of those articles, I'd really appreciate your input. The discussion is located at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football#Season naming convention.↔NMajdan•talk 20:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure, but shouldn't it be like 1976 NCAA Division I football season instead of 1976 college football season? I mean, since it's 1986 NCAA Division I-A football season instead of 1986 college football season… ––Bender235 (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Oops, just realized that there is a discussion on this topic ongoing. ––Bender235 (talk) 22:27, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Relisting AFDs

I see the other day I relisted three AFDs which all closed within a short period after relisting. I saw your comments, and I must apologise for any distress caused. I personally didn't see any consensus and was reluctant to close them. Once again, apologies. With kind regards, Rudget. 20:16, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Louis Armstrong

"Bunk Jones"? Who was he? I've never come across the name. ...Might this be some mangled reference to Bunk Johnson? -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Bunk Johnson was not "Jones"; I've never heard him called that. "Dago Tony's Tonk" is correct (as to what locals called the establishment; I imagine the legal name was somewhat different) it is mentioned by a number of musicians and regulars of that era. ("Tonk" for a bar with music was fairly common in local slang.) Some of the early published jazz works in the '40s and '50s had some problems with names. I see you've already changed it to "Bunk Johnson", that seems to be the person who was meant. Thanks. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 23:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hey, thanks ...

... for the compliment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marlboro School. Best, Noroton (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Librarian extremely appreciative of the significance

re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marlboro School And thanks to you also for your comments & suggestions. Maplethelibrarian (talk) 00:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Davenport, Iowa

Hi, I decided to create a History of Davenport, Iowa page, something you had suggested. If you would take another look at the AfD and see the new page, you might want to update your vote, and that might make it (a bit) easier for the closing admin. Thanks! Noroton (talk) 20:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Blackwell's Worst Formatted AfD

Please note how you left AfD/Mr. Blackwell's Ten Worst Dressed Women - 1990s. You need to use the preview button, or at least to look at a page after you have editted it and then use the page history and an undo link if something such as this happens. —SlamDiego←T 15:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AAFL

Thanks, FINALLY I get a comment on some of my work lol. If you go to [7] you can see why I used white. THey didn't show any picutres so I had to go by the colors that showed up on the background image of the helmet. Thanks, alot AAFL!!! lol. --Crash Underride 04:32, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ice-9 fusion

Would you consider re-evaluating your vote on WP:Articles for deletion/Ice-nine fusion? I've recently done a fair amount of work on the strangelet page to ensure that the topic is covered properly there. Dark Formal (talk) 03:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_claims_made_by_Zeitgeist%2C_the_Movie#List_of_claims_made_by_Zeitgeist.2C_the_Movie

I would appreciate it if you would remove or strike out most of the comment you made to Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_claims_made_by_Zeitgeist,_the_Movie#List_of_claims_made_by_Zeitgeist.2C_the_Movie.

You have created a personal attack against me, and your story about me having changes reverted from the Zeitgeist, the Movie article are simply lies that you made up.

I like the Zeitgeist movie, and I think that there is a good chance that everything it says is true.


Please review these edits I have made to the Zeitgeist, the Movie article, and you will see that I have made only neutral and constructive edits, and that none of my edits attempted to discredit the film. In fact, with this edit I attempted to make the article more neutral.

VegKilla (talk) 09:39, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural references of Chuck (TV series)

Hey, could you add a Comment, Merge, Delete, or Keep to your comment (probably Comment) on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cultural references of Chuck (TV series), or delete altogether. The comment doesn't really help with the discussion on whether to delete the article or not. Thanks. ~QuasiAbstract (talk/contrib) 09:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help Odyssey

Your help with this draft would be most welcome! Dreadstar † 08:38, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plus, proof people planning proms pronounce prom problems "promblems"

Thank you for this :D Xavexgoem (talk) 23:28, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] College of Idaho

The College of Idaho was renamed to Albertson in 1991, it did not have that name at the time of its founding in 1891. I have no idea what school you are calling "Albertson" in 1930 college football season. --Orlady (talk) 03:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

After looking at http://www.shrpsports.com/cf/teamseas.php?link=Y&team=Albertson&season=1930 , my guess is that the owners of that website converted all historical records for the College of Idaho to "Albertson", since that was the name the college used recently. There's plenty of RS information indicating that the Albertson name was used only from 1991 to 2007. --Orlady (talk) 03:45, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tōon-ryū

The original nominator posted his rationale here, please reconsider your "keep". Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:54, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia: Deletion Review re Same-sex Marriage Mandsford - thanks for the tip to pursue the deletion review. I did some talking with krimpet and he agreed to restore the page. I still plan to continue the edits as suggested (the Mass decision has some nice language why procreation isn't a factor). --Greg Aharonian (talk) 21 February 2008 —Preceding comment was added at 00:57, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Black concert T-shirt reference

Thanks for adding the reference. With offline sources, it is helpful to include a relevant quote. Could you add this if possible? The {{Cite book}} template makes this fairly easy and ensures a standardized format.

Thanks again. / edg ☺ ☭ 02:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another One Bites the Dust (1998 Song)

The reason I put the article for deletion was because it was already mentioned in the article of the original Queen song. There is no need for another article when it is already mentioned clearly, despite the fact that it may have different lyrics. It is still a cover. That was all I was trying to say. Thanks.--Kodster (talk) 15:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)The Kodster

[edit] Another One Bites the Dust Deletion

Interesting point. However, many of Weird Al's songs were hits in their own rights as well. I understand where you are coming from, but I believe that the song shares the same title, pays royalties to Queen (?) (not sure, but I would assume that), and even shares the "Queen" name on its album cover. I believe that, despite it being a hit in its own right, it is still a cover, and should be deleted accordingly. Try to correspond with the others who posted on the deletion page. See what they have to say. I am going to ask them as well. Feel free to tell me on my talk page. Thanks! Kodster (talk) 16:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfDs

I notice you're weighing in on a lot of my AfDs. Sorry if I seem overzealous. I haven't really gotten involved in AfDs before. I just wish to prune some non-notable genealogy articles. --Michael WhiteT·C 14:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] marijuana

This how-to guide for growing marijuana in a garden makes for a tastier version, since it uses steaks instead of stakes. Mandsford (talk) 16:26, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

  • I didn't notice this till 1 minute ago when i was reading the AFD's. But man.. This HAS to be one of the best lines i read this week XD. Excirial (Talk,Contribs) 21:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy Leep (2nd nomination)

I've sort of provided a reason for deletion here. The IP that tried to list this article had previously placed an A7 tag on Roy Leep (twice), so apparently the IP editor thinks that said person is not notable. Does that count? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Laughs are a wonderful thing

The Barnstar of Good Humor
For making me laugh at two afds below TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 21:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Drainage Channel and Spice Girls

a thanks to the wrong person is entirely acceptable given how many times it took me to get that to work! And I have no idea why it's a barnstar so I won't spoil the surprise. I just enjoy that one, and it's so appropriate for your recent comments TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 22:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A note on football seasons

I see you're working on articles on collegiate football seasons from the early 1900s. I monitor the "What Links Here" page for "Dartmouth University", changing links to "Dartmouth University" to links to "Dartmouth College" (because the university existed from 1817-1819, but virtually everyone intends the College). I've disambiguated it at 1912 college football season and 1925 college football season, and so I just thought I'd drop you a line now and ask you to link to Dartmouth College rather than "Dartmouth University" in the future, as it would make things a lot easier for me.

Thanks! Dylan (talk) 20:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A hand in the bush

  • The article has been redone so I'm inviting people who voted in this AfD to review it. If they change their votes then I probably will withdraw the nom, but I'd rather have the voters look at it again. JuJube (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Smallville

I figure this is the best place to continue this discussion, since it's more show related than Wiki related. The next "new" episode will be this Thursday, March 13. But, it's going to be old school Smallville, with a "freak of the week" type feel, though the freak will be Pete, so to speak. As far as the timeline goes, that thing is so out of wack it isn't clear what's going on. They only mention certain things, and leave out a lot of others, while at the same time tying other things together that were never tied together in the show.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 00:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It won't be an article, because there is an injunction in place against the deleting and/or creating of episode articles, or character articles. As for episode articles for Smallville, they're all but completely gone. The only "episode" related articles for the show are Pilot (Smallville), Smallville (season 1) (and season 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7). Only two characters have articles: Chloe Sullivan and Lionel Luthor, and I'm making plans to turn the 7 list of characters articles into a single article that covers all the series regulars and the recurring guest stars.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of assault rifles AfD

I have hastily knocked together a sample treatment of an alternative format for the aforementioned page and posted it to the article's talk page. As you have weighed in on the previous version, I would invite your comments on the alternate I am proposing. Do you think this would make the page more worth keeping? Is it worth the effort to redo the whole page? Is the whole concept a lost cause? Inquiring minds want to know. OlenWhitaker • talk to me or don't • ♣ ♥ ♠ ♦ 20:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC) 20:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your comment, on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmed Adnan Muhammad Ajam. I've responded to the comparisons between the Guantanamo captives, and regular felons before. I took the liberty of asking readers who thought your comparison was a good one to look at User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Guantanamo captives aren't felons and aren't POWs.

I know I am not perfect. So I try to make a real attempt to fully understand the points of those who disagree with me. I would really appreciate it if you would read the counter-arguments to your comparison, and tell me whether you disagree with them -- and if so where you disagree with them.

If you can take the time to do so feel free to respond here, on my talk page, on the {{afd}}, or at the bottom of the sub-page where I saved the original dialogue.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 22:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate you taking the further time to review those other documents. I appreciate you taking the time to leave a civil, meaninfgul reply on the {{afd}}. Thanks again. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 17:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Under construction

Could you help me make my list of countries whose flag has a star page Under construction? im quite new and i was wondering if you could help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bezuidenhout (talk • contribs) 18:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rolling Hills Middle School

Hi, I wonder if you would consider a merge/redirect !vote now I have written a page on the school district, please? TerriersFan (talk) 16:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of African American Greek & Fraternal Organizations

The checkuser case Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/SexyNupe2000 showed that the creator of the article was not related to any banned user. [16] 150.210.176.106 (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Still smiling about as serious a topic as Soviet support for Iran during the Iran-Iraq War

I do appreciate the advice to avoid "dirty rotten Commies". To the best of my knowledge, I only once met an active Communist intelligence agent, something I did not know at the time I met her at a party. Later on, her status was revealed in the press. "James Bond Movie Adversary" would be more appropriate than "dirty rotten."

As you've gathered, I made a mistake and put out a draft, far too early. I can only say I was tired and not thinking. It's one thing to put out early drafts when there's a general understanding, among editors on the subject, that getting drafts out for comment is useful. In as POV a context as this, it was clearly unwise.

Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 04:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Army Fortresses in Japan proper

Thank you for your interest in List of Army Fortresses in Japan. Please review Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Army Fortresses in Japan proper I have made an attempt to find references for the article and could find nothing to support the assertions made. Consensus is leading to keep and improve, but I am not seeing where improve is an option. If I am mistaken and there are references available please add them to the article. Jeepday (talk) 16:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of companies of Pakistan (2nd_nomination)

Hi since you commented on the previous Afd you might be interested that I have re-opened the Afd. -- BpEps - t@lk 21:16, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] African pope

I have revised the article extensively since you commented in the AFD, and invite you to reconsider. --Dhartung | Talk 09:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your help

Thanks for your help on the AfD discussion for Louis Bozon. It was kept. I really appreciate it. Chris (talk) 20:19, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My Mother is a Tractor : Deletion

Hi Mandsford. I know I cannot stand in the way of a tidal wave of wiki opinion but just wanted to add some notes for you.

  • I'm originally from Australia but have not lived there for 8 years, hence those edits are the work of whoever - but not me. Upon checking Qworty's link I see they were added on June 6, 2006 - one of the busiest weeks of my year (exam week in Shanghai).
  • It may be self-published but, if you follow the Amazon sales, it's usually only outsold by "Learning to Bow" in the pantheon of 'JET' books.
  • Notability does not seem to matter much to Indiana University and Dokkyo University who utilise it as a standard text in courses WP:BK - Point 4
  • It's archived by both the National Diet Libary (Japan) and Library and Archives (Canada) WP:BK#Threshold_standards
  • This book has been independently reviewed by Japan Visitor, The Crazy Japan Times, Rocky Mountain JETAA and Rough Guide Japan WP:BK - Point 1
  • As for personal non-nobility that's not in question here, and neither would I ever assert it - although some have alluded to it. FYI I have had other work published in major media such as The Japan Times, Shanghai Daily, Fukuoka-Now, Asia! and Voyage.
  • Lastly if anyone have ever written a book one would realise the path of 'vanity press' is much easier one to tread than the continual slog of agents and publishing houses. Qworty obviously doesn't like POD/"Vanity Press' Talk:Trafford_Publishing and has deleted all other references without waiting for judgement here, so one must presume deletion a fait accompli

Given the last point I have therefore saved a copy now as a last hurrah, expecting the worst. Good evening and good luck. —Preceding comment added by Nklar (talk • contribs) 15:46, 01 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

I have proposed a merger of the articles for the three middle schools of the Palo Alto Unified School District into the main article for the district. Discussion is here. I'm notifying everyone who was involved in the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jane Lathrop Stanford Middle School. Thanks, Darkspots (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/March 23, 2004

Hi Mandsford - the March 23 article is covered by a larger discussion that's been going on at Wikipedia talk:Centralized discussion/Removal of many individual date articles. Thought you might like to have a look at that before the AfD discussion goes any further. Grutness...wha? 02:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Historical revisionism (revisionists)

Need your advise. I'm not sure how to proceed. The confusion certainly was not my intent. There are two pages - wish to merge them - & preserve the old talk page. With a mere List all's OK regarding Copyright. Please advise. --Ludvikus (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Poe's law (2nd nomination)

Your comment made me laugh, thanks. -- Earle Martin [t/c] 23:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding AFD Military controveries

Hi, I read on the AFD on military controversies that you saved a copy of the article; is there some way I could get a copy of it or could you post it on my talk page so I could save it? Or maybe you know a way to access a deleted article? Anyhow, thanks, Rhetth (talk) 20:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Regarding the "keep" vote on Val Verde. I was feeling like the Lone Ranger for a minute. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:44, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Help Me!

Hey Mandsford! You wrote a sweet comment about my new page Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars and I totally appreciate! Anyway, there's this group of dorks who have teamed together to try and delete it. I'm new to the Wikiworld (I use to do a little editing here and there, goof around, and I'll admit I broke a lot of rules, but I'm totally reformed now, and totally addicted) and I don't know anybody. I tried to post a call for help on the lesbian community page but this one dork deleted right away.... he's following my every move! Anyway, I was hoping that there was some way of making people aware of my new page (I've been working on it 24/7 and I'm totally proud of it). I don't want to influence anyone's decision, but it's gotten much better since you last saw it. So, I don't know but if there's anything I can do. The Saucer Men need our help! Thanks! Jules Dipolemoment (talk) 22:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Above message left by a blocked sockpuppet. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:JTWoodsworth_-_misleading_user_page_and_sockpuppetry. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 23:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Top 10 best selling cars in Britain

I'm cross-posting at the talk pages of the participants at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Top 10 best selling cars in Britain. After the article was deleted, I requested that it be userfied so that I could attempt to improve it. I've now made some small alterations, which are explained in greater detail at User talk:DeLarge/Top 10 best selling cars in Britain. Basically, I've flipped the page so that the latest years are at the bottom (to make the TOC more intuitively navigable), and converted the 2005-2007 data into tables which now include precise sales figures.

The work done so far was quite labour-intensive, so before I commit more time to this, I'd appreciate any feedback to say whether it's worthwhile continuing with the years prior to 2005. Thanks in advance for any comments you can offer. Regards, --DeLarge (talk) 23:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)