Talk:Manwë

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[edit] Atani points to the wrong page

The Atani page of Wikipedia doesn't seem to be Tolkien-specific. I think we should create a new page about the meaning of Atani in the works of Tolkien and add the necessary disambiguation links to the existing Atani page. For a similar reference to the need for disambiguation, see the talk page of Atani. — Keramida 01:41, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

• It used to be. Someone edited it. There is no need to create a separate page, howerver—just point to Men (Middle-earth). I added a disambiguation notice. -Aranel ("Sarah") 01:56, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. That's a much better way to point to the Men (Middle-earth) page. — Keramida 23:25, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Final Battle

I believe that the mention to the "Final Battle" with Melkor is not in complete agreement with the last versions of the Silmarillion, since The Second Prophecy of Mandos was rendered apparently as non-existant after the publishing of the Silmarillion. I believe there's better reference to that on one of the History of Middle-Earth volumes, i just can't remember which one. — Jamilkender 13:55, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

In HoME X, Morgoth's Ring, Christopher Tolkien notes a passage which says (in part) that 'the Dooms of Mandos do not foretell whether the Marring of Arda shall be amended'. He used this as the end of the QS in the published Silm because he took it as an indication that both the prophecy and the final battle had been removed from the mythology. However, he then noted that in later texts his father continued to make reference to the final battle... and even wrote a new version of it (wherein Beren also returns from death for the final fight against Morgoth). Thus, there is no real evidence that the 'Final Battle' was removed... but Mandos's foretelling of its outcome may have been. --CBDunkerson 18:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] An "opinion" on Tolkien's writings

Lol, you may call me crazy, but I believe that Tolkien knew that all his writings were actually true lore and history in an alternate dimension, but he knew that he would have to say all his lore and history of Arda was fictional so he wouldn't end up in an asylum. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Suriel-Ra-Arias (talk • contribs) 13:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC).