Talk:Manuel Neri
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[edit] Manuel Neri and the Six Gallery
Greetings : I am sorry you did not see my comments to the editor of the page where I made the deletion. Please see my commnent to him/her below. Yes, this gallery is important, but the citation is incorrect and in the wrong place. I have taken steps to remedy that.
Once you have read my comment, I think you will then take the appropraite action and reinstate my deletion. Sympathetically --Art4em 19:17, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Greetings. I noticed your name mentioned on this wiki page, so I hope you don't mind if i talk to you about a paragraph on the page:
"In the late 1950's, he was one of the founding members of the artist-run cooperative gallery, the Six Gallery, along with Joan Brown, Bruce Conner, and Jay DeFeo. The gallery is noted for the Six Gallery reading, an event that included the first public reading by Alan Ginsberg of Howl."
It is inccorrect. Neri was NOT a founding member of the Six Gallery, nor was Joan, Bruce or Jay. Neri may have been with King Ubu or Batman? -- but I'm not sure, you could research it. In any event please see this:
Smithsonian Archives of American Art: ORAL HISTORY INTERVIEW WITH WALLY HEDRICK AT HIS HOME, SAN GERONIMO, CALIFORNIA, JUNE 10, 1974, INTERVIEWER: PAUL KARLSTROM:
WH: ...We had this group which was made up of the original six of the Six Gallery: myself, Deborah Remington, John Ryan the poet, Jack Spicer the poet, Hayward King, and David Simpson. THat's the six. [1]
It is with great respect to you and Neri that i remove this paragraph. The first sentence is incorrect, and the second does not pertain to Neri.
--Art4em 15:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- The information I have is from Jack Cowart's "Manuel Neri: Early Works, 1953–1978" (I really should have placed citations in the article – sorry), which names Neri as one of the founding members of Six Gallery and describes Neri as playing an important role in organizing the Six Gallery Reading. Just because "WH" (just who is this?) in the above-mentioned oral history leaves Neri out of his list does not contradict this. Peter G Werner 19:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment. Truly, no need for apologies.
The co-op gallery was called the Six Gallery because there were six people who started it. That makes sense to me. Now then, you have three names in your source, and I have six -- and what is more, all 9 names are different. Therefore, I believe, there is some contridiction here because that makes nine names when there can only be six.
1. Unfortunately, I am sorry to inform you that the information posted is incorrect. Either Cowart is getting his early Bay Area galleries confused, or you are mistaken in the reading. Neri was NOT the Co-Founder of Six Gallery. Nor was Joan Brown, nor was Jay. The impressive Neri et al may have showed there, but that is another matter entirely. As I said, Neri, if memory serves me, was affiliated with King Ubu, or Batman Gallery...or another.
2. WH? The WH quote, if you would have simply clicked the link or read the source which I provided for you to examine in my comment is Wally Hedrick. And Hedrick's answer to interviewer Professor Paul Karlstrom is black and white -- straight from the horses mouth.
3. Who is WH? and what is his relationship to the Six Gallery? Fair Question. Answer: Artist and Professor Carlos Villa, in Remembering Wally Hedrick:
"Wally Hedrick was a chief organizer of the Six Gallery, a cooperative gallery which to my knowledge was the first nonprofit exhibiting space in San Francisco." [2]
In other words, WH is not a bad source to find out who 'founded' the gallery.
4. See Jay Defeo:
"Hedrick, Deborah Remington, Hayward King, David Simpson, John Allen Ryan and Jack Spicer founded the Six Gallery at 3119 Fillmore St in San Francisco, on the location of the King Ubu Gallery, which had been run by Jess and Robert Duncan. Joan Brown, Manuel Neri, and Bruce Conner would become associates of the Six Gallery. Allen Ginsberg first read his poem, Howl, there at the famous Six Gallery reading in 1955."
Here, again, it clearly states that Joan, Manuel "WERE ASSOCIATES" of the Six Gallery.
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To be fair, I am NOT leaving Neri out -- not at all. I am just not putting him in where he and the other two impressive artists, Jay and Joan, do not belong. Respectfully Peter, I am on your team, if I am incorrect please show me -- otherwise, please delete the passage. Onward! --Art4em 00:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi...you might want to see this to:
the King Ubu Gallery, which had been run by Jess and Robert Duncan. Joan Brown, Manuel Neri, and Bruce Conner
in Jay DeFeo
Best
- I've edited Manuel Neri to state that he was simply a member of the Six Gallery rather than a founding one. I've also removed the sentence on Alan Ginsberg, etc, though I have kept in a link to the Six Gallery reading. At some point, I'd like to figure out exactly what Neri's role in the Six Gallery was based on a consensus of information given in Cowert's book and in "Smithsonian Archives of American Art: Oral History Interview with Wally Hedrick", and base any statement in the Wikipedia article on a consensus of the two. Peter G Werner 15:28, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
