Talk:Manuel II of Portugal
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[edit] Who succeeded Manuel II as claimant to the throne?
"Following his death, the seniority in the Royal House of Portugal was transferred to Miguel II, Duke of Braganza, his cousin." had been in the article. But this person had died 5 years earlier, so it was impossible for him to become the claimant. Someone who knows, please add to the Article the succession to the claim. StanZegel 23:21, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
See Duke of Braganza. It would seem to have been Duarte Nuno of Bragança and the current claimant is Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza. RickK 23:41, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)
- Rick is perfectly correct! Muriel - 62.252.0.4 10:13, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)
After the death of the king Manuel the only legitimate heiress to portuguese throne was his half-sister Maria Pia de Saxe Coburg Braganza , the recognized daughter of the king Carlos and the unique Saxe Coburg Braganza's heir in that moment still alive. 22 Sept 2005 (UTC)
- Even assuming that the alleged half-sister of Manuel, Hilda Toledano, were in fact the illegitimate daughter of King Carlos, under the Portuguese Constitution she would be outside the line of succession, as only legitimate descendants of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Braganza could inherit the throne. The Dark 16:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Exile in England
This is ironic since Portugal (Estoril) has been the favored exile of all deposed kings ever since. --dunnhaupt 14:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Hmm? Emperor Karl of Austria went to Madeira (which is not Estoril), and the Count of Barcelona and Umberto II seemed to live in Estoril, but that's hardly all deposed kings ever since. The only other one I can find who was in Portugal was Carol II of Romania. His son Michael of Romania resides in Switzerland, Simeon of Bulgaria lived in Spain, the Kaiser resided in the Netherlands; Peter II of Yugoslavia lived in the United States, as did his son until his return to Serbia; Constantine II is in Britain, and his uncle George II was in exile in Romania and Britain during the First Republic; Constantine I had taken his exile in Switzerland; Ferdinand I of Bulgaria appears to have resided in Gerany, although I'm not certain of that. Victor Emmanuel III lived in Egypt after his abdication. Alfonso XIII lived in France and Italy. Most of the German princes never went into exile, as far as I'm aware, although Ludwig III of Bavaria spent some time in Austria and Switzerland. john k 14:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Title in pretence?
Is this the proper way to style Manuel post-revolution? According to the article on pretenders, a deposed monarch does not hold titles in pretence. The Dark 16:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- This does seem a bit off. Basically, as I understand it, Manuel was still properly called King Manuel II of Portugal. He was, however, no longer the King of Portugal. Does that make sense? He was still a King, but he was no longer the King of Portugal. john k 17:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- John is right. Basically, a king is a king unless he says he is no longer a king. Titles don't disappear but power and privelege can be taken away from them. Charles 20:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Emmanuel's Demise
Do we have any information on the former King's cause of death? Something we could add to the article? GoodDay 19:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Photographs of the King
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Manuel_II.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bear1952 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
More Questions
What is his connection to King George VI of Great Britain? Did he ever share a coalition with England and for how long? Also are the dates correct? I thought that he was born much later in 1934 and died much later in 1994. Is the reportage covering a clocked time and not a date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.158.126.234 (talk) 20:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] His writing
This http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7426349.stm says "Meanwhile, Portugal's Manuel II, who established a new life as an aristocrat in England, wrote a guide to medieval and Renaissance Portuguese literature but died before his own literary career could really flourish" . Although mentioned in passing in the article, it would be nice to know what the book title was. 80.2.200.73 (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
