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[edit] Mango removed from Wikipedia:Good articles

Mango (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) was formerly listed as a good article, but was removed from the listing because 'Copyvios in prose, see FAC comments and below

[edit] Taste?

The article describes the taste of a ripe mango as being "a cross between a peach and a pineapple," but whenever I eat mangoes, I've always noticed they taste rather "carroty," and not as strongly sweet as that description suggests. This is because they have a lot of keratin in them, isn't it? Has anyone else noticed the same? Albino Bebop 02:12, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Preparation notes

What is the justification for repeatedly removing notes about how to prepare a mango? They have been twice removed without comment, even after being shortened. Notes about how to store them for proper ripening were left in; why is preparation so different?

I agree. How to prepare a mango is very important. If you don't know how, you will end up with a mangled mess o' mango! The proper way is fast and easy.

Also, it is important to know that you should not try to bite off the flesh next to the seed. Otherwise, you will get the tough fibers stuck between your teeth. This is not a pleasant feeling, plus it will take a long time to dig them out.

I <3 eating down tothe seed. You don't get fiber teeth if your patient - besides, I rarely dice it 'proper'- instead, cut skin deep in quarters along the vertical axis, leaving the cut stem together to hold the four pieces together. Eventually, I toss the skin and suck on just the seed.

I generally slice it into three pieces. I take the two sides as a bowl and scrape the fruit off with my teeth. Then, I peel off the skin from the seed pit and use my teeth to scrape off the fruit. Best taste is gotten by using this intricate method on a Bombay Mango.

Rasaloo mangos are delicious. However, they are full of fibers and require that you drink the fruit after gently squeezing the fruit while it's intact. Just make a small opening at the stem and drink. Ieopo 05:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a great article. The information on preparation was particularly useful. Look, the printed version of the Britannica has limits on page length, so that stuff might be left out of such an article. But not because it isn't relevant or important. There is no such restriction on the web. Leave it in.

194.78.144.226 09:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC) can you just eat magnoes like apples? I have this mango i got fromt he store and i tried cutting it but it's impossible to cut and i don't know if i should just take a bite out of it or what —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.86.194.85 (talk) 23:15, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

In case comments are expected:

1) "politely translated" changed to "generally translated" - actually I'm the one being polite in the translation. Generally people in the area call a spade a spade and say "bull's balls" in English.

2) Yea, "nectar from heaven" is a bit much, isn't it?

3) "used in ice cream" - hope people don't think they they can only add it on top; I meant to suggest that crushed mango can be an ingredient in making ice cream

4) Can I eat the skin? It's really good! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.31 (talk) 21:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Health stuff

I'm removing the "health stuff" section, as it appears to be a copyright violation. The content was taken verbatim from this web page. I've retained the link to nationalpak.com, but moved it down with the other external links. Ortonmc 19:57, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Added an extra paragraph about the taste of the mango, as it didn't seem to be discussed. Maybe it should me moved to a different section? Swamp Ig

[edit] White mango - where's it found?

I've added Manalagi as an Indonesian variety. A white flesh mango in Indonesia, sweet even when it's hard and unripe, and with a flavor quite unlike ordinary mango.

Indonesians I met said it didn't ever go yellow/orange, but that's because it's so prized that it never lasts that long! Actually if you can keep it behind locked doors till it ripens, the flesh develops a pale yellow colour, with darker mottling as if it's going off.

According to this Indonesian local government page it's a variety of M. indica.

Is there more info on this? Where else is it found? Googling told me little. I've only come across it in Indonesia, but I'd like to know where else I could find it. (It's a bit of an obsession, but that's probably obvious!) Singkong2005 13:02, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] As Houseplant

Is it possible that someone could write about this or add a really good web link? Hannu 19:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I know how to raise a mango from seed, but hesitate to explain in the article because it seems more like material for Wikibooks. Basically (and if anyone deems this encyclopedic, please edit and insert to the article) it's done by piercing the seed with toothpicks to hold it upright in a small bowl of water. Once the seed sprouts it's transplanted to a medium sized plant pot where it grows for a couple of years. After that it's necessary to transplant outdoors, so this approach works only in frost free climates (or for people who tend greenhouses). In my experience it takes around 5-8 years before the tree produces fruit. Durova 15:43, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I recall speaking with a woman from India years ago who mentioned the practice of cutting a branch from a mature mango tree, bringing it home and I believe rooting it, as a means of obtaining some fresh fruit the same season the cutting is taken. Not exactly a houseplant, but if someone knows about this practice, could you please give some details. For instance, at what stage of fruit development are the branches removed? I believe she was speaking from personal experience with the beloved Alphonso cultivar. It sounds like a means of growing some small quantity of tree ripened mangoes in a small space, perhaps in a crowded city. I believe the process had to be repeated each year, the cutting would produce fruit only once. Zzorse 16:25, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't know if it will satisfy you Hannu, but I added a bit on container mangoes. Here in Miami, Richard Campbelll, of Fairchild Tropical Botanic Garden, has been pushing the "Condo Mango." Personally, I've never fruited a mango in container, but I have two cultivars, 'Carrie' and 'Ice Cream' which are presently loaded with fruit and under 5'.--Snorklefish 20:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyvios

In addition to the large copyvio I noted on the FAC page, I've found more. This is very distressing.

—Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• I've removed all these sections. If someone wishes to rewrite them in an acceptable manner, the links to the original materials remain here on the talk page. Some of these seem like quite acceptable sources, but none of them appear to be free for direct copying. Christopher Parham (talk) 03:34, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Copyright problems I have reverted to 29 January. Today I identified 3 additional copyright violations. Details are posted at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mango. The reversion date was selected because copyright violations identified as the contributions of the editor who nominated this article at FAC. The restored article is the most recent version before that username began editing at this page. Copyright problems were first raised at FAC ten days ago. Durova 09:37, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I find it rather disturbing that it's possible for a registered user to apparently commit blatant plagarism and get away with it... I'm new round here, so perhaps there's some kind of process that I'm unfamiliar with? Even though the material in question has been removed, it seems rather irresponsible just to carry on as if nothing had happened. Jim whitson 08:59, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The relevant user talk pages have a record of this. The offending editor hadn't understood copyright law and apologized. Other edits by this user were generally good and the mistake and apology appeared to be genuine. Durova 03:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 210.18.107.2 vs. 146.203.53.162

210.18.107.2 says "The name of the fruit comes from the Tamil word manga"

146.203.53.162 says "The name of the fruit comes from the Malayalam word manga"

Malayalam is the current revision... which is the correct one? Kirbytime 20:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Dictionary.com] says "From Portuguese manga, fruit of the mango tree, from Malay manga, from Tamil mnky : mn, mango tree + ky, fruit." (emphasis mine). "manga Tamil" gives 880,000 hits on google, while "manga Malayalam" gives 175,000, with the first four being pornography. wiktionary says its from Malayalam, but Wikipedia's article on English words of Tamil origin says it's Tamil. I don't speak either language, nor am I familiar with them. Help? Kirbytime 20:46, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed the article to say either Tamil or Malayalam for now. Until consensus is reached here, I think this way is a good compromise. Kirbytime 20:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:NPOV makes it clear we should list both possibilities at this point, sure. Why not? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 17:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Malayalam evolved from Tamil, so the Malayalam word മാങ്ങ (māṅṅa) ultimately derives from whatever the word was in Tamil. --Grammatical error 17:56, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Mangai (or Mango) is a Tamil word. When Portuguese invaded South India, they borrowed the word from Tamil. Malayalam has nothing to do with this. Since Malayalam itself is child of Tamil. In fact the word Malayalam is a Tamil word. (Malai + Aal) = Malayali (Mountain Person). Malayali speaks Malai naattu Tamil. (Which is Malayalam). Tamil is the only dravidian language. All other languages were descendents of Tamil.

Tamil is not the only Dravidian language, and not all other languages are/were descendants of Tamil. See Dravidian languages.

I would say mango originated from malayalam because the portuguese first arrived in the kerala coast, which is a malayalam speaking area. Their earlier settlements where also in the malayalam speaking west coast, so they could have picked it up from there. And malayalam is definitely not a child of tamil.

A word cannot originate just because Poruguese arrived at Kerala. (Then you should say Mango came from Portuguese.)

In TamilNadu there is Lord Murga's temple at Palani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palani) where you can see the existance of Mango (Also called as Sacred Fruit of Gods). We are not talking about how it went to Portuguese. We are talking about the root from where it went. Tamil has existance from Stone age. Malayalam is just about 1000 years.

The word for "Mango" in the western Malayo-Polynesian languages (Malay, Tagalog, etc.) is "Mangga" and probably was adopted from one of the south Indian languages as the Malay Archipelago was governed by a large Hindu empire before the arrival of the Arab Muslims and, later, the Christian Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish.

[edit] Mango from Maangaai in Tamil

All this over a mango. :) Well it is widely thought that the word is a derivative from the Tamil word for mango (which is pronounced in a way that leads to different spellings and such). Maangaai is about right. Here are two credible sources that show it comes from Tamil. [5] "In Tamil, the language of Southeastern India, the mango received its original name "mancay or mangay" that later evolved into manga by the Portuguese." and here is another source: [6] Cookie90 16:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC) :)

OED gives it as Tamil by way of Malay, so maybe they're both right! - MPF 21:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

lol yes maybe they are. But are you sure it says Malay and not Malayalam? Malay is a different language to Malayalam. Malay is a language of Malaysia whereas Malayalam is a language of India. :) It could be that through early contacts with the North East of Sri Lanka, the Malays from Malaysia came across the Tamil word for Mango, and this eventually was adapted in Portugese. Just speculating. Who knows. Cookie90 11:04, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it has Malay, not Malayalam; I'd wondered about that too, but left it as it is in the OED. Whether that's an error on the part of the OED compilers or what, I don't know! - MPF 15:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Portuguese is connected to Tamil, Malayalam, and Malay via Portugal's East Indian empire; Tamil is connected to Malay via the Chola empire; and Tamil is connected to Malayalam on the basis that they are closely related languages in neighbouring territories. Historically, Cochin/Fort Kochi(Malayalam) was in Portuguese hands from 1503 to 1663 and Malacca(Malay) from 1511 to 1641. The Portuguese didn't move into Tamil regions until after opening a fort at Colombo in 1517. So Malayalam seems the most likely origin, but the greater importance and reasonably early founding date of the base at Malacca means that Malay is also quite possible. And of course Malay and Malayalam may still have derived the word from Tamil. (Rwestera 00:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC))

Malay is a relatively new language as compared to ancient languages like Tamil. In fact the Malay language is greatly influenced by Indian languages, namely Sanskrit and Tamil. (An incomplete list of loaned words is available in the Malay language page). Thus I'm pretty sure that the term couldn't have originated from Malay. The Malay version of the word Manga itself is derived from Tamil. Moving on to Malayalam, the language uses many loaned words from Tamil. So if there's similarities, its quite certainly attributed to Tamil. In fact the word 'Malayalam' itself comes from the Tamil words Malai (Mountain) and Ala (People), which ultimately means 'Mountain people (who lived beyond the Western Ghats)'.  S3000  ☎ 15:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mango in Pakistan

There appears to be a persistent attempt by one or more editors to add Pakistan to the list of places where mango is native. I've checked all the species listed at the Germplasm Resources Information Network List of Mangifera species, and none are listed as native in Pakistan; the mango is only an introduced cultivated plant there. If it is added to the native area list again, please remove it, unless adequate verification of its native status is also provided. - MPF 16:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I have just checked all the species in Germplasm Resoures Information network List of Mangifera species, and being frank, the 20th specie (Spondias Pinnata) refers to the Native as 'Pakistan' and some other countries. Now there should be no doubt that Pakistan is native country for a specie of mango and 'User MPF' have to recheck the list again before posting another comment. - [TA] 20 June, 2006

[edit] A new mango image

I just contributed this image. Do you think it might be worth adding to the page? --Salimfadhley 19:34, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Mangoes are packed into tough cardboard boxes for export. The fruit ripens during it's long journey, and therefore great care must be taken to prevent it from becoming damaged en route. Alphonso are exported from late April to early June.

I guess it's worth it, but I'm not sure about the last sentence though. And are you sure the "en route" thing is not a typo? I don't know what that means.Chimchar monferno (talk) 01:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Factual Accuracy

Is the factual accuracy of this article still in dispute? The biggest issue seems to be whether mango is native to Pakistan, and that doesn't seem to merit impugning the entire article.--Snorklefish 20:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's also the vitally important Tamil/Malayalam issue... Henry^Flower 20:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mangifera indica

The article begins: "The mango (Mangifera spp.; plural mangos or mangoes) is a genus of about 35 species of tropical fruiting trees..." My question is this... aren't we specifically talking about Mangifera indica. I have never seen the term mango generically applied to all Mangifera. I'd like to change the intro to, e.g., "The mango (Mangifera indica; plural mangos or mangoes) is a tropical fruiting native to India and Southeast Asia. A member of the flowering plant family Anacardiaceae, M. indica is by far the most important commercially of the some 35 members of the genus Mangifera.

[edit] Tamil or Malayalam (again!)

Since both are now supported by reasonably reputable sources, I've amended to mention both Tamil and Malayalam in a hope to stop the ongoing ding-dong - MPF 22:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm quite certain the word originated from Tamil. Both languages call the fruit Mangai, but Tamil is an older language and greatly influenced Malayalam. Thus if there are similarities, the source is most commonly attributed to Tamil. In fact the word 'Malayalam' itself comes from the Tamil words Malai (Mountain) and Ala (People), which ultimately means 'Mountain people (who lived beyond the Western Ghats)'.  S3000  ☎ 15:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Production and Consumption

To me it seems like the text about various methods of eating a mango is excessively long and verbose. I would like to remove most of that specific text and possibly spin it off into a new article because I don't think the detail is appropriate here. Because this is a large amount of text, I would like to solicit some other opinions before doing so. Eberhart 00:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I removed the text. If you disagree with that course of action please leave a note here. Eberhart 19:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Mango

My friend went to india and saw mangoes called rasalu I added it to the page.it should be added to the cultivars i added it before but someone removed it i even said where they were found in india.

i was just eating haagen-dazs sorbet and on the lid it says that "The sorbet is made from a specific varierty of mango called Criollos (Kre-ol-yo) that grows in Ecuador and Peru. Widely considered the finest mangos in the world, they're celebrated for thier sweet, delicately orange-like flavor."

• yeah right..."widely considered" by who? Haagen Dazs marketing executives? South Asia has the most cultivars, and some of the best are exquisite.

i wonder if that counts as evidence for a cultivar that wasn't listed

This article isn't the proper place to include all mango cultivars as there are hundreds of mango cultivars. All can, however, be included on List_of_mango_cultivars Eberhart 03:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

well someone should add it to that list

[edit] origins

mango origns are around eastern india, burma and bangladesh.Kennethtennyson 21:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

Mango in its most common usage refers to the fruit. The tree has the same name, hence I have modified the opening sentance. I have also restructured the article and shuffled material around. It still has a lot of scope for improvement including more photos.Nandan Kalbag 15:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leaves not toxic to cattle

I don't think the leaves are toxic to cattle, seeing as die was made from the urine of cows that were fed only mango leaves. It's illeagal in most places to make this die because feeding cows only mango leaves is not good for them. http://www.plantcultures.org.uk/plants/mango_landing.html Gopherbassist 22:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Our mango tree was eaten by cattle. Sometimes it recovered, but after three dinner sessions the tree was dead.

[edit] More copyvio

Just discovered that the paragraph on 'races' (now deleted; see page history) was a copyvio from www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/mango.html - the whole page should perhaps be checked for any other possible copyvio insertions - MPF 09:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] INdian Yellow pigment

The unique euxanthine pigment produced in the urine of cows fed on mango leaves was used to make Indian Yellow for oil paint till 1908, when the practice was outlawed due to the poor health of the cattle. This is because the leaves also contain a mild poison related to the poison in poison ivy. Many people are allergis to the same substance (see entry on Indian Yellow pigment. Artist. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 150.101.122.132 (talk) 01:12, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

Sorry about the fact tag, I didn't see the ref on the Indian Yellow page, but I've added the ref and made a new ref section on both pages. Latulla 03:27, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of mangosteen

Is the word "mango" related etymologically to the word mangosteen? Badagnani 08:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

from the excellent website on the mangosteen, http://mangosteen.com/Sciencenonscienceandnonsense.htm

"The botany of the mangosteen is as follows. The Latin name of the mangosteen is Garcinia mangostana L. The genus Garcinia is named in honor of Laurent Garcin, a French 18th century explorer and plant collector. Linnaeus, the "L" after the species name mangostana, honored his work by naming the genus Garcinia after him. Besides the mangosteen, there are numerous other species within the genus, many of which produce edible fruit but none as exquisite as the mangosteen. Some produce valuable gums, waxes and dyes. I will say that although the word "mango" is contained in the word "mangosteen" there is no relationship botanically. Mangos and mangosteens are not at all related at the genus or family levels, only share several of the same letters." --Paul144 (talk) 15:36, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images

No shortage of images here, but this is a very fine illustration from a double page spread in Curtis's Botanical Magazine. Not a big fan of the circular redirects, by the way. Cygnis insignis 21:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Philippine flag here?

don;t understand why philippines flag is shown in this article? --202.164.149.111 12:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] proposed split move

I propose that the information on the genus be moved to Mangifera, where the botanical info can be explained. The necessarily extensive discussion of a product of those species, the mango, would remain here. This is a solution that has been implemented for other fruits, allowing the conventions at WP:TOL to be followed and having an article with the common name. Any objections? cygnis insignis 15:24, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I read the article, and I cannot understand why a split would be a good idea. It isn't a long article, and the genus information takes up relatively little space. I think it's good to introduce this bit of science in the article. This is meant to be an encylopedia afterall... - Neparis (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I have should have read it more closely, and I should have read further up, here. The genus taxobox should be moved to Mangifera, the information on the genus and its contained species can be expanded there. The information on the 'mango tree' can be created at Mangifera indica - a species taxobox can be put there. The information on the fruit, the mango, a product of the species Mangifera indica can be expanded here. It is not a case of splitting after all, it is moving facts to appropriately named articles. The three links I have given are three different things. cygnis insignis 07:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plural

Isn't the plural of mango 'mangoes' not 'mangos'? Sleepysod (talk) 08:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

mangi, possibly

I've seen both mangoes and mangos used. Carl.bunderson (talk) 23:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

This article was vandalized recently by somebody with poor taste and an attitude

The DarkArcher was here 00:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

what is the pantone color for mango72.94.59.5 (talk) 18:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)dawn0112@verizon.net