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[edit] Merge with Kudla

Agree - it is redundant, and this too Maikala. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 11:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Support per Deepak. Also agree with merging Maikala. Gnanapiti 15:41, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Support merging both Kudla and Maikala with this article, as they are just the names in different languages for the same place. We can provide redirects from those articles to Mangalore. - KNM Talk 16:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Agree - Yes, both Kudla and Maikala can be merged with main article Mangalore if redirects are provided for both. Abushahin 09:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disagree - What is there to merge?--PremKudvaTalk 09:59, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
comment' the problem in keeping seprate articles for one city is that any edits in one will have to be carried out to the other. This is an unnecesary duplication(see ‎Chitpavan Konkanastha Brahmins and Chitpavan and you will realise it is a miserable task to keep both in order when they are one and the same ). Rather redirects allow us to point to one article ,or subsections. so we can have redirects named Kudla , Mikal, Kodial. It is rare that anyone searching on the english encyclop will search for local names; but in that case they do they will be redirected to this article. And we can amplify the names section and make it more detailed. --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 11:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand this disagreement. Are you disagreeing with a merge because Kudla contains nothing that is not already in Mangalore? If so, it is still a "merge" to simply redirect. In this case, as there is an alternate use for the word "Kudla" (Kudla, South Australia), it is probably appropriate to leave that page as a disambiguation page. --Scott Davis Talk 15:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. I have converted Kudla to a disambig page. The only content that needed merging here was to put English-readable spellings of the names in other languages in the lead. These appear to be more important or interesting to English Wikipedia than the native script names are. --Scott Davis Talk 06:25, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Mangalore

Mangalore doesn’t require a Kannada name. It is being imposed by Govt and kannada nationalist. The Kannada speaking people are migrants from other parts of the state who have settled there during Tipu sultan and after independence as govt employees and other job aspirant. There are lot of tulus in Mumbai and some other places in Bangalore. Will you guys go and write all the names in tulu also? Tulu war 04:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alupas
Somebody has to read the history of mangalore, coastal karnataka. It becomes very clear why kannada is the offical language of that region from centuries.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.223.36.10 (talk) 23:14, 22 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Mangalore on a Map

I had hard time trying to find from the article where Mangalore is. Finally I looked in the map and please indicate that it's part of INDIA.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.200.102.102 (talk) 21:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Vandalism

I think this article should be locked for editing. The user by name 'Tulu war' is always seen vandalizing the article without any discussion. Some of his statements are even baseless. He always erases any word called Kananda in the article. Love for Tulu is fine. Even my mother toungue is Tulu. But vanadlising the article in such a way nothing but depiction of Tulu fundamentalism. One should not forget that Kannada is the administrative language in this region. --Crazysoul 04:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree.--PremKudvaTalk 10:42, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

An user with IP address 125.16.214.40 keeps vandalsing this page now & then. I think this article needs to be protected from anonymous edits. I also request Mr. Kensplanet to have a discussion on the talk page before goign on such lengthy edits & mostly POV edits. --Crazysoul (talk) 10:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Relevance of peepal tree image

What is the releveance of the image showing uprooting os peepal tree in Mangalore page. I would suggest deletion of that picture. Any comments? --Crazysoul 11:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the image can be removed. It would be nice if we have someone take some new pictures of Mangalore and post it here. Gnanapiti 15:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RadioVeRVe - Konkani Internet Radio

Gauravvaz 15:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Can we add a section to the article about the Konkani channel on RadioVeRVe (http://radioverve.com/konkani)? I looked around but could not find anything about Mangalorean music on Wikipedia.

I agree. It should be mentioned. There is no use of hiding facts.Kensplanet (talk) 05:20, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yakshagana and Hulivesha

What a nonsense to write Yakshagana and Hulivesha as 'Unique' to Karnataka? Malayalam Yakshagana is practised along its Tulu version in Kasaragod, Kerala.And for Hulivesha, it is known by the name Pulivesham in Kerala and Tamilnadu.Until not given citations, I will delete those lines from the article.

And what about The Hindu being a local newspaper of Mangalore???ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 07:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

The very fact that it is practised in Kasaragod, shows it is a unique form of Dakshina Kannada. Since Kasargod has a very strong population of Kannada, Tulu and Konkani speaking people. It definitely is not a culture of the Malayalees or of Kerala. I checked Pulivesham, and while it is indeed a tiger dance, it is quite different in its style and method to be directly compared to hulivesha.
No one has mentioned that The Hindu is a local paper.--PremKudvaTalk 07:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Come on , Tulu is a local language of Kasaragod.Malayalam is the major language.If the so called Kannadigas exist there, then pls explain Theyyam and other Malayalee artforms and Kovilakams existing there.Also explain Malayalam Yakshagana.::ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 08:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
So, Tomorrow Yakshagana might be in some other state too, but place of origin will still be the same. What is Malayalam Yakshagana?--PremKudvaTalk 09:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IPA Phonology

I want to propose adding IPA Phonology for Mangalore. Please comment. Also veify it's accuracy.

IPA : United Kingdom RP - mæŋælɒɹɛ ; United States GA - mæŋælɑɹɛ ; Australia AuE - mæŋælɑɹe ; New Zealand NZE - mɛŋɛlɒɹe Kensplanet (talk) 16:08, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you tell the reason and necessity of doing this.--PremKudvaTalk 04:31, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Ofcourse

If you just check most of the cities, almost all of them have IPA phonologies. But the main pupose is not that.........

Consider a word BAT U can pronounce it either the way we pronounce BAT in English or the way I have written बट in devanagari. None of them is wrong.

BAT बट
bæt bɑːt

But check their IPA phonologies. They are different.

Similarly, Mangalore may be pronounced in many ways. Check in Mangalore itself, the letter a in Mangalore is silent and its effect is just implied by nasal stress. Therefore, putting a IPA name for Mangalore is the best way to avoid errors of any sort while pronounciation.

Morever, IPA phonology is very significant in Wikipedia. If U are editing something, then just check below, along with different characters, you will also find a IPA

Mangalore has already made it's mark on the globe. It has also been twinned with Hamilton in Canada. Therefore, I suggest we should add a IPA phonology for Mangalore.
Kensplanet (talk) 08:24, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I checked various other major Indian city entries on Wikipedia and found no one has adapted it yet. Currently adding it makes the article look clumsy, and I wonder if it will serve its purpose. If it becomes a standard then do add it.--PremKudvaTalk 10:08, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Renamed and moved sections

I have just renamed and moved sections as per Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities, so if you think you see a major change, it is just a shuffling around of sections. Nothing to be alarmed of.--PremKudvaTalk 11:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Good moveKensplanet (talk) 12:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tulu film industry

Please note that there is no Tulu film industry worth talking about in Mangalore. There are no film studios, noteworthy producers of state or national claim operating in the city. An occasional movie comes more out of grit than out of an "industry", just like the very occasional Konkani movie. Not worth a mention especially in the lead as mentioned by El_C.--PremKudvaTalk 04:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I was the one to add that sentence. Not in the lead in but surely 1 or 2 sentences can be added in the Culture section since it is unique to Mangalore. But the lead in has only 180 words. But the Indian City Lead In says it should be approx. 300 words. ---- Kensplanet (talk) 07:41, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities a guideline, and asks for min of two medium sized paras for the lead in, of approximately 300 words. So it doesn't matter. For that matter there is no sports section in Mangalore at all. Regarding Tulu Film Industry, why don't you create a new entry and put a link in Mangalore/Culture? I am sure you will be able to have a medium sized entry on it. 30 movies in 30 years.--PremKudvaTalk 09:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mayor

The term of the Mangalore City Corporation ended last year. Elections were held and the BJP has come to power. But the new council has yet to take charge, until such time the DC is in charge of the city's affairs. This is why I had belated removed the name of the last mayor (it should have been removed as soon as her term was over last year,) but Kensplanet has unknowingly added it back. I am removing it.--PremKudvaTalk 04:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

O I am extremely sorry. Actually while designing the table, I thought I had cut the Vijaya Arun from the infobox instead of copying it. That's why I had reinserted it. Actually I forgot I had written it myself in the table. It was unintentionally and unknowingly. ----->>>>> Kensplanet (talk) 07:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
The council was supposed to formed last month end (about 4 months after the elections were held!!!) and nothing has happened as yet. So no council and not mayor so far.--PremKudvaTalk 10:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Adding an Image for Cuisine

The Cuisine section looks very empty. Can we have a Image there. The Image (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Neer_Dosa.jpg) shows a Neer Dosa, a unique dish of Mangalore. Please tell me whether can we have it there or no. The Image is free from Flickr, or else it's absolutely not possible uploading it.
If not Neer Dosa, can we have a Beebe or Cashew upkari image from here http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cashew-upkari.jpg These images are free and I have uploaded it on WikiMedia Commons. ========Kensplanet (talk) 19:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added a much better image of neer dosa. Take a look at the section and let me know what you think. Gnanapiti (talk) 20:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Is Mangalooru a kannada or a Tulu name?

I feel there is some misconception that Mangalooru is a kananda name. The very fact that it is derived is from Mangaladevi Temple, even by tulu it would be called as Mangalooru only. The Mangala & Ooru are the same in kannada & tulu. --Crazysoul (talk) 09:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right, but in Tulu we call Mangalore Kudla only. In reference to Kodialbail possibly one of Mangalore larger villages then.--PremKudvaTalk 09:26, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
But branding mangalooru as purely a kannada name is not right. There are several tuluvas who refer Mangalore as Mangalooru even while talking tulu. Even i'm one of them. People who rever Mangaladevi are still proud to call it as mangloor. --Crazysoul (talk) 10:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Your point is?--PremKudvaTalk 03:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gokarnatha Temple

This is the wiki page for Gokarnanatheshwara Temple as requested by Kensplanet. But do not place the temple image you had placed here on that page. It is not a good quality image of the temple. In fact the temple is in the background, what is in the foreground is the temple tank with a statue of Shiva. I would prefer if you had an image that showed the front view of the temple during day time, or a tripod steadied night image.--PremKudvaTalk 04:19, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem..I'll try to search more free images from Flickr?
Can we count Images from Blogs as free Images.---------->>>>>>>>Kensplanet (talk) 05:44, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
Not unless the blogger has specifically waived the copyright, if not we have no right to use it. Unless the blogger concerned lets you use it for any purpose.--PremKudvaTalk 10:59, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Note to editors, just delete external links that don't concern the article. No explanation required.--PremKudvaTalk 03:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Better Images

It would be nice if someone could upload pics of Pumpwell circle or Bunsts hostel circle instead of Nanthoor cross pic which looks very shabby. I would also suggest deletion of autorickshaw image as there is nothing sepcial about a Mangalorean auto. --Crazysoul (talk) 08:45, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Pumpwell circle or Bunts hostel circle will look as shabby as Nantoor cross. Though after the NH17-NH48 connection work is over the same Nantoor Cross photo will look quite different with a 6 lane highway and a flyover connecting it to NH 48. What I have posted is the before photo;-)--PremKudvaTalk 03:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I suggest replacing the St. Aloyscius Chapel with the St.Aloyscius Church Image. Absoluteluy no problem with the Image. The Image is good. But it's good if we go on putting new new images and updating.========Kensplanet (talk) 15:42, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
St Aloysius Chapel
St Aloysius Chapel
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------>>>>>>> ::
St Aloysius Church
St Aloysius Church

I have replaced it. Thanks.--PremKudvaTalk 03:28, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I am happy to say that Rediff news has posted a set of three images from the Mangalore entry on to their article on Mangalore Mangalore: The new real estate boom town, it also appears on pages 3 and 6 of the 6 page article.--PremKudvaTalk 06:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I checked it. I'm happy too,---Kensplanet (talk) 08:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reassesment of Article

I think this Article needs to be reassesed. It no longer looks like a B-Class article. Each and every section has adequate data. Mangalore has just a population of 0.6 million. I think we have provided enough details on the city.--->>>Kensplanet (talk) 11:25, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

I have given this article for reassesement. Let's see what do we get. Check in here for the details Requesting_an_assessment...........Kensplanet (talk) 16:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
A request has been made for this article to be peer reviewed by the India WikiProject.,,,,,,Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Peer review-----Kensplanet (talk) 06:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
A request has been made for this article to be peer reviewed to receive a broader perspective on how it may be improved. Please make any edits you see fit to improve the quality of this article.-->>Kensplanet (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
All editors, please participate in all the peer review discussions-->>>Kensplanet (talk) 09:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sultan's Battery

While battery may be pronounced as buthery by the locals, it actually means Artillery battery.--PremKudvaTalk 11:15, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

So, how will that improve the article?-->>>Kensplanet (talk) 14:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Who said anything about article improvement?--PremKudvaTalk 05:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some sections

Where do we put the mentioned details below :

  • Mangalore Police
  • Courts
  • Mobile services
  • Mangalore Fire Brigade--->>>Kensplanet (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Check entries of Bangalore or Chennai and see what they have done.--PremKudvaTalk 05:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I have checked them. We can accomplish this by renaming the Govt and Politic section to Civic administration and the Power and Water Supplty to Utility Service. Once done Mangalore Police, Fire Brigade, and courts can go in Civic administration and mobile services can go in Utility services.-->>>Kensplanet (talk) 07:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
I have currently renamed it-->>>Kensplanet (talk) 07:55, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Ah okay. That's good.--PremKudvaTalk 10:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing like Mangalore Police. The police force is known as Dakshina Kannada District Police --Crazysoul (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

The DK police is not headed by a Commissioner. It is headed by SP (Superintendent of Police). Police Comisionarates are currently only in Bangalore, Hubli-Dharwad and Mysore for Karnataka. However there is a proposal to set up a Police commissionerate in Mangalore which is yet to be accomplished. The main criteria for setting up a police commissionerate is that the city should have a population of more than 10 lakhs. --Crazysoul (talk) 19:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Templates

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   Localities in Mangalore   
Aikala  · Attavar  · Baikampady  · Bolar  · Car Street  · Deralakatte  · Gurupura  · Hampankatta  · Hoige Bazaar  · Jeppu  · Kadri  · Kaikamba  · Kankanadi  · Katipalla  · Kinnigoli  · Kodialbail  · Koluvail  · Konaje  · Kotekar  · Krishnapur  · Kulai  · Lalbagh  · Muchur  · Mukka  · Mulki  · Nanthoor · Pakshikere  · Panambur  · Pandeshwar  · Pejavara  · Punaroor  · Shirthady  · Surathkal  · Talapady  · Thokottu  · Tonse  · Uchil  · Uchila  · Ullal  · Urwa  · Vamanjoor
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   Communities in Mangalore   
Hinduism
Christianity
Mangalorean Catholics
Kannada Protestants
Islam
Bearys  · Hanafis  · Bhatkalis  · Madrasies  · Nawayaths  · Mapilas  · Malbaris  · Bohris  · Memons
Jainism
Jain Bunts
Kannada Jains
Image:Lotus-buddha.svg Buddhism
Mangalorean Buddhists

I have recently added these two templates in the See Also section. These Templates may not be accurate. For example, some localities mentioned in the Template came not fall under Mangalore City limits. Editors who have a good knowledge of the city are kindly requested to edit and remove unnecessary localities.-->>Kensplanet (talk) 16:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peer review feedback

[edit] Mangalore

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Thanks, Kensplanet (talk) 09:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Some comments:

  • The image in the infobox should probably show an image of the subject. The current image is pretty, but not doesn't show Mangalore, just the ocean.
  • The History section should be expanded or rationalized. Currently it is dominated by how foreigners found the city and very little weight is given to the city's development over the ages. Currently, there is only one sentence about the city's history since 1800.
  • Try to find some more authoritative sources. For example, travel agencies are not the best sources for climatic data, but weatherbase is used in several FAs. --maclean 18:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


Overall it is quite an extensive article and here's what i think needs to be done.

  • What is kadali fruit? Plese enclose the english name within brackets as well.
  • What does 'loral past' mean? Please simplify the language for ease of understanding.
  • Few sentences seem to have been directly copied from [[1]], yet there is no reference to this page.
  • History merely states a few travelers who discovered the city. An account of gradual development of the city would be better. A few sentences on what happens after 1800 are required. You could view featured articles like Kolkata for guidance.
  • "...makes it feel above ..." in Geography and climate section is a vague statement,not exactly factual.
  • Needs references in economy section.
  • Many sentences like "tiles made from red clay and baked, is used as roof" have wrong syntax. It should be "tiles.....are used..." in this case.
  • You could link PCPIR to Nayachar which defines PCPIR.
  • "During this tremendous growth phase, these banks spawned a whole generation of bankers from Mangalore across these firms from the top to bottom". - What does it mean?


Comments by Editors of the Page

Some comments:

  • The image in the infobox should probably show an image of the subject. The current image is pretty, but not doesn't show Mangalore, just the ocean.
  • The History section should be expanded or rationalized. Currently it is dominated by how foreigners found the city and very little weight is given to the city's development over the ages. Currently, there is only one sentence about the city's history since 1800.

Done.

  • Replace the current Image in the infobox with an Image which shows details on the subject.
  • Expand the History section so that it includes development over the ages.

Both these have been added to the To-do list for Mangalore. Soon, the editors of this page will do the necessary modifications.______Kensplanet (talk) 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Try to find some more authoritative sources. For example, travel agencies are not the best sources for climatic data, but weatherbase is used in several FAs. --maclean 18:53, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Done, All figures for climatic data taken from Weatherbase.


Overall it is quite an extensive article and here's what i think needs to be done.

  • What is kadali fruit? Plese enclose the english name within brackets as well.

Done. The word Kadali fruit means Banana-->>Kensplanet (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Old Sentence: This region, given away as a reward to sage Parashurama by Samudraraja, is well-known for its Kadali fruits.
  • New Sentence: This region, given away as a reward to sage Parashurama by Samudraraja, is well-known for its Kadali fruits (Bananas).======Kensplanet (talk) 13:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
  • What does 'loral past' mean? Please simplify the language for ease of understanding.
  • Done. The language has been simplified tremendously.
  • Old Sentence: It is the land of enchantment of Sahyadri mountains, where the great sages Kanva, Vysa, Vashista, Vishwamitra and other in the Loral past spent their days of meditation.
  • New Sentence: It is the land of enchantment of Sahyadri mountains, where the great sages Kanva, Vysa, Vashista, Vishwamitra and others spent their days of meditation.--Kensplanet (talk) 13:32, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Few sentences seem to have been directly copied from [[2]], yet there is no reference to this page.

No. I don't think so. They have copied from Wikipedia. If you check properly, the site mentions
Some pages may contain portions of text relating to certain topics obtained from wikipedia.org under the GNU FDL license--Kensplanet (talk) 17:22, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

  • History merely states a few travelers who discovered the city. An account of gradual development of the city would be better. A few sentences on what happens after 1800 are required. You could view featured articles like Kolkata for guidance.

Done.

  • Replace the current Image in the infobox with an Image which shows details on the subject.
  • Expand the History section so that it includes development over the ages.

Both these have been added to the To-do list for Mangalore. Soon, the editors of this page will do the necessary modifications.______Kensplanet (talk) 13:34, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

  • "...makes it feel above ..." in Geography and climate section is a vague statement,not exactly factual.

Done. It has been corrected. The corrected sentence is much more factual.

  • Old Sentence: However, a high relative humidity of more than 90% makes it feel above 40 °C (104 °F).
  • New Sentence: However, temperatures may rise upto 40 °C (104 °F) due to the high relative humidity of more than 90%.----->>>>>>>>>>Kensplanet (talk) 13:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Needs references in economy section.
  • Done. A to-do has been added for the economy section
  • Add more references in the Economy Section. Delete trivia from this section. Facts which cannot be proved must be deleted immediately.
  • Soon the editors of the page will fix this.--->>>Kensplanet (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Many sentences like "tiles made from red clay and baked, is used as roof" have wrong syntax. It should be "tiles.....are used..." in this case.
  • Done. All such sentences have been removed.
  • You could link PCPIR to Nayachar which defines PCPIR.
  • Done. The below sentence has been added in the Economy section.
  • This will be the first Petroleum, Chemicals, Petrochemicals Investment Region (PCPIR) of the country, with similar PCPIR's existing at Nayachar in West Bengal, Panipat in Haryana and Achutapuram in Andhra Pradesh.--Kensplanet (talk) 12:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • "During this tremendous growth phase, these banks spawned a whole generation of bankers from Mangalore across these firms from the top to bottom". - What does it mean?
  • Done. This sentence has been deleted since it doesn't add any encyclopedic value to the article.------Kensplanet (talk) 13:47, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject India Peer review feedback

[edit] Mangalore

This article has been drastically improved and meets most of the standards of Wikipedia. A peer review is required on this article. All are requested to participate.-->>Kensplanet (talk) 07:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I have gone thru the article:-

  • The economy para has lots of nonsense. plz remove nonsense. write a economy in mangalore article and put all details there. here keep only key details.....write only a single para
  • similarly for civic admin
  • put lang & rel in demography and merge cuisine with culture
  • transport is too big . plz reduce. write a whole section without subdiivisions/ only key points. write a article transport in mlr and put all details thereWpinman (talk) 14:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)


Comments by Editors

I have gone thru the article:-

  • The economy para has lots of nonsense. plz remove nonsense. write a economy in mangalore article and put all details there. here keep only key details.....write only a single para
  • Done. Economy section reduced. Main article has been put up there.-------Kensplanet (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
  • similarly for civic admin

-Done. Trivia from this section deleted.-------Kensplanet (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

  • put lang & rel in demography and merge cuisine with culture
  • Comment. No, Language and Religion cannot be put under Demographics. Demographics is reserves for only those points for which numbers (figures) can be provided. But Cuisine will be merged with Culture.-------Kensplanet (talk) 14:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
  • transport is too big . plz reduce. write a whole section without subdiivisions/ only key points. write a article transport in mlr and put all details there
  • Done. Innecessary info deleted-------Kensplanet (talk) 14:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Wpinman (talk) 14:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Skyline Image

Is the Mangalore City Corporation the best skyline Image. The world doesn't know Mangalore for its Corporation building. That Image is very much required in the Civic Administration section. This is the famous Netravati Railway Bridge Image. The Netravati Bridge is quite will known.====Kensplanet (talk) 14:20, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Bangalore article has vidhana soudha as its main pic. MCC building of Mangalore can be a similar pic for infobox. I think this would be the least controversial image for this position. There is nothing unique about Netravati river bridge. Hundreds of railway bridges across India have identical bridges. What's ur opinion? --Crazysoul (talk) 16:47, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

vidhana soudha image looks good, while the MCC building doesn't.--PremKudvaTalk 05:16, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, if some body can get its complete front view, it may be posted. The complete view is really good. --Crazysoul (talk) 06:09, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

There is nothing unique about Netravati river bridge. Hundreds of railway bridges across India have identical bridges. What's ur opinion?
OK Quite convinced. That image doesn'nt deseve a Lead In. But that image deserves a place in the Transport section since it is a railway bridge. The MCC HQ is fine but the autos, people, roads shouldn't be there. THE GA reviewer will surely comment on that.-Kensplanet (talk) 08:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
This photo doesn't do any justice to the Nethravathi river rail bridge, it almost a kilometre long and that is not reflected in it. But until you get a better photo place it in the transport section if you wish.--PremKudvaTalk 09:45, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
I have currently added Town hall Image as the skyline. The MCC Image doesn't look so good and it is most required in the civic administration section, not the skyline. Had to make quick edits since this is a GA nominee. The Town Hall Image looks good and quite clear.Cheers.Kensplanet (talk) 16:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I noticed the image replacement today. Considering that the Town Hall is in the heart of the city and very well recognised I agree with your judgement. I also noticed that you and KNM have been quite busy the whole of yesterday on the article. Thanks for both of you for taking your time off to improve this article.--PremKudvaTalk 11:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] MCF image caption

History: i checked other articles..we are only supposed to make a general comment on industrialization and not mention any industries Kensplanet, regarding your above comment in your edit summary, you have nameed the Kudremukh plant in its image caption when you inserted it. If industry names are not to be mentioned then only one image may suffice for the page I think. Also you mention Mangalore witnessed an economic and industrial boom during the late nineteenth century in that caption. You meant 20th century possibly? Since during the late 19th century there was nothing much here.--PremKudvaTalk 10:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

That's because the Kudremukh Image falls under the Economy section. Industries have relevance with Economy. But if u name that image Mangalore Petrochemical aand refineries, u are mentioning about industries in the History section. Industries have no relevance with History.-->>Kensplanet (talk) 12:01, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
It is Mangalore Chemicals and Fertilisers. I don't see why an industry name has no relevance in the history of a city. Especially since MCF was the first major industry that came up in Mangalore in 80s.--PremKudvaTalk 04:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Communal riots

Communal riots have taken place even in 1992 ( ayodhya crisis) and even before that. Why do u need to give special importance to what happened in 2006. The city is still secular. Why do u want to malign the city for this particular incident? You should also not forget that the district police had brought the situation under control very quickly. Death toll didn't even reach double digits. If it was Mumbai, police would have watched the fun helplessly. Bangalore article doesn't talk anything about its communal or regional clashes. Why do u want only Mangalore article to host this info? And moreover is it an event worth to be recorded in history? Clashes between communities would have happened since centuries. --Crazysoul (talk) 18:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree to your view. Mentioning the '06 communal riots gives an impression that Mangalore is prone to regular rioting by religious fanatics. It is not so. In Mangalore proper I remember the '92 and later the '06 riots only. The '92 riots took place along with all the cities in India and wasn't something that happened only here.
As you mention overall it is a very peaceful place. Compare that to Bangalore where a Raj Kumar kidnap and later his death by natural causes brought the city to a complete standstill. If you have to mention riots you will have to make a study and mention each and every riot that have taken place, including the student riots.--PremKudvaTalk 04:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I also remember that there was communal tension in Mangalore in 1999, due to which our university exams were reschduled. Bangalore had also seen clashes between Kannadigas & Tamilians whenever Kaveri issue gathered steam. But nothing has been mentioned about that in Bangalore article. --Crazysoul (talk) 04:45, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

As an independent editor, I just noticed the above discussion. I hope you don't mind my thoughts here. If the Bangalore article doesn't mention rioting/clashes within it, let it be so. If you wish that this article reach the highest standards (read FA), then the editors have to ensure comprehensiveness to the article. Though communal clashes are common, there are occasions where the reason for the clashes might be politically instigated/some other notable reasons. Doesn't missing out on these facts because it is going to malign the city constitute your point of view? :) I hope my comments are taken in the right spirit. Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 05:24, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Praveen, I do understand. What crazysoul and I am trying to say is that basically Mangalore is not a communally sensitive place where the police have to impose sec 144 every time there is something silly like a India-Pak match.
So mentioning that the "The city's secular fabric was torn apart" (which actually is what is mentioned in the Mumbai article for their riots of 92-93 where hundreds were killed) is extreme. When fabrics are torn apart they are not easily put together. Whereas today or actually soon after the 2006 riot, things got back to normal very fast. If at all a mention is required, it should say that the city has a very strong social fabric with just two riots in 16 years.
The Mumbai riots where followed by the bomb blasts where three hundred people were killed. As a person resident in Mangalore, and who sees what happens daily, I feel that it is still a peaceful place. Also using statements like "city's secular fabric was torn apart" is not a NPOV. It is exactly what a female journo for NDTV used, saying "Mangalore's secular credential has been torn apart forever". Forever?!--PremKudvaTalk 05:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
No comments except that it was removed for good.---Kensplanet (talk) 07:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] To-do list for Mangalore:

Kensplanet good show on completing the To-do list for Mangalore peer review.--PremKudvaTalk 10:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you---Kensplanet (talk)
Nice to see that article is nominated for GA now. Good job! - KNM Talk 15:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mangaluru, Mangalooru or Mangalūru

  • Mangaluru: Later in 1526 AD, the Portuguese took possession of Mangalore, thus corrupting the word Mangaluru to its present form Mangalore.
  • Mangalooru: Among Kannada newspapers Udayavani, Vijaya Karnataka, Prajavani, Kannada Prabha and Varthabharathi are popular. Evening newspapers such as Karavali Ale, Mangalooru Mitra, Sanjevani and Jayakirana are published in the city.
  • Mangalūru: Mangalore (IPA:\ˈmaŋ-gə-ˌlȯr\; Kannada: ಮಂಗಳೂರು, Mangalūru; Tulu: Kudla, ಕುಡ್ಲ; Konkani: Kodial, ಕೊಡಿಯಾಲ್; Beary: Maikala, ಮೈಕಲ)

Which is th most accurate-- Mangaluru, Mangalooru or Mangalūru. The reader will surely get confused. I suggest we should go for Mangaluru throughout the article.=======Kensplanet (talk) 07:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I do not think reader will get confused with these names, because all these names are valid and used interchangeably. However, to be consistent over the entire article, Mangalūru would be the best word. - KNM Talk 15:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
I agree with KNM that looks like most accurate.--PremKudvaTalk 04:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

The article is in very good shape, and very close to meeting the Good Article criteria. The prose is excellent, and it is relatively easy to read. It is well referenced. The lead is good. A few minor issues:

  • The image in the 'etymology' section (Image:Mangaladevi.jpg) does not have an image copyright tag. It needs one.
  • The order of some sections could be revised a bit, to de-emphasize some and emphasize others. Change 'civic administration' to 'government' and 'utility services' to 'infrastructure'. Put 'government' right before 'education' and 'infrastructure' right after 'transportation' (or combine infrastructure & transportation). Demographics and Culture should be emphasized over government & infrastructure in the order of importance.

Other than that, I think the article is very good, and it can be promoted once these issues are addressed. I've placed the article on hold until this happens. Cheers! Dr. Cash (talk) 16:11, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Crazysoul can you update the Mangaladevi.jpg image with an image copyright. I notice you are the uploader.--PremKudvaTalk 04:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
Crazysoul I had added an {{attribution}} tag to your image. For now. Change to something more suitable when you come online.--PremKudvaTalk 05:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
It's been a week since the article was put on hold. I hope Dr. Cash is not taking a very long wikibreak.KensplanetTalkE-mailContributions 13:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Article meets the GA criteria. It will be listed. Good work! Dr. Cash (talk) 17:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, so glad to see that this article made it at the GAN. My best wishes and congratulations to all those who made it possible! Cheers! Mspraveen (talk) 14:18, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations everyone, especially Ken for the initiative he took to list the article for review at GA criteria and then working towards achieving the GA status.--PremKudvaTalk 04:33, 2 April 2008 (UTC)