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[edit] LGBT

If you are incapable of justifying an LGBT link with proven history, you don't get to spam that category. Spamming a cat just to build up your page is not the Wikipedia way, you need a lot more justification than your personal feeling that a character is gay, if it wasn't on teh page in black and white it doesn't get the cat, if you continue to put this category on pages where it does not belong, I will push for a review of the validity the category.--Basique 23:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

In the final scene of Formerly Known As The Justice League, it is revealed that Magna Khan is secretly in love with L-Ron. Although since Khan is a gaseous entity and L-Ron is a vaguely-humanoid robot, I'm not sure how that should be classified. Daibhid C 23:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I've restored the category and provided a link to scans of relevant pages. Manga Khan's dialogue in the last image on that page-- his hyperbolic speech patterns aside --indisputably demonstrate that he feels love for L-Ron. The question of whether this counts as homosexual, technosexual, or sapiosexual is an entirely different matter, one that would likely result in arguments as to the nature of articial intelligence. However, the dialogue includes a reference to a phrase popularly considered a euphemistic reference to homosexuality; I feel justified in including Manga Khan in the category, even if his exact orientation is uncertain (since it's apparent that it is something other than heterosexual, whatever might qualify as heterosexual for an alien gas-being). Lucky number 49 14:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The category got deleted through CfD. It is no more. It has ceased to be. It is an ex-category. Doczilla 20:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, it wasn't up for deletion at the time I added this article to it, there was no intent to "reinsert a deleted category." As to the name, it wasn't my assertion. If you check the article history, I simply moved the statement up in the article from where it had been previously. Lucky number 49 22:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, I note that the category was renamed, rather than being eliminated alltogether. I'll put this page into new category. 22:29, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
I've removed the cat for a couple reasons: a) as stated above, there's quite a bit of question as to whether the "G" (of LGBT) category fits, and b) this is based on the last panel of a book? That doesn't seem to be even remotely central to the character. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Does it need to be "central" for inclusion? The character Iceman only has Jewish ancestry from one of his parents, if memory serves, and he's never been shown as being a religious Jew; despite this, he's included in both Fictional Jews and Jewish comic book characters. I really don't think it needs to be a major part of their character to be canon, and the cited panel is simply the earliest explicit statement about the character's sexuality that could be found. There may be further references since that publication, and there were implicit statements earlier in the book. Lucky number 49 19:14, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
As to his sexuality, I note that Doop is included, despite having no visible sexual characteristics whatsoever, as is Motoko Kusanagi, whose body is almost entirely synthetic. It does not seem to be unusual to include characters whose gender is male and who are attracted to other male-gendered characters to be identified as homosexual or gay. Lucky number 49 19:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
comment: I think Doop is included because s/he explicitly has relationships with both a man and a woman, making the character bisexual no matter what its' gender is. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm with him on this one, Satyr. 'The love that dare not speak its name' is a clear gay reference. CaveatLectorTalk 11:29, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Really? Is it really that notable? Has there been a storyline about a relationship? Has his sexuality played any overt part of the character's development? I'm asking these questions seriously - I haven't read the comic and know nothing of the character - all I'm going by is the article, which currently doesn't make me think the character belongs in an LGBT cat. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 18:00, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
This problem is kinda part of the territory of comic books. Normally, if a character is hinted to be LGBT, then that character is considered to be LGBT until said character is written to not be (or is further defined). If only confirmed LGBT characters were listed under Category:LGBT characters in comics the category would be much, much smaller. -- Jelly Soup 18:14, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Whether there has been a storyline about a relationship or not-- which is precisely what the story arc in Formerly Known As The Justice League is, as it features Manga Khan's attempts to reunite with L-Ron --is not especially relevant; nor is whether it is an "overt part of the character's development". We may recognize a character as LGBT regardless of how vital a role it plays in their stories; the late hero Freedom Ring was, according to the article on that character, "touted... as Marvel Comics' leading gay hero". However, Freedom Ring's sexuality was especially relevant to the character's role in the broader stories of the Marvel Universe, in fact, the quotes in his article indicate that this was intentional. The character belongs in the LGBT category because he matches the stated criteria of the category: he is among Characters from comics who are—or have been—portrayed as being Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, or Transgendered (LGBT). Lucky number 49 21:26, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
I give. My concern was that the character's LGBT status be more than "hinted at". My personal belief is that we are pretty strict with WP:BLP, we should be at least somewhat as strict with fictional characters. After all, (as a flip side to the above comment) if we listed *every* character that was hinted to be gay, the category would be much larger than it currently is :) -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 23:01, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Manga reference

I know it seems obvious, but what seems apparent is not always what is actually true. Can someone dig up a reference that demonstrates that his name is actually derived from the Japanese comics term? Lucky number 49 14:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)