Talk:Manfred Beer

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Rather than request speedy delete I have requested the creator (and only contributor) to complete this stub. If there is no response in a few days I will place the delete tag on the article - unless someone else jumps in and adds stuff. Other than general wikification and grammar (such as a fullstop at the end of a sentence) it should be noted whether Beer represented the then East or West Germany, and what distance/type of relay team he was part of.LessHeard vanU 23:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I can't see any reason for this to be deleted. Yes, the article is short, stubby, and does not contain all the basic info a reader would want to know. Still, it does not in any way satisfy any of the speedy delete criteria. This is a perfectly valid stub article. – Elisson • T • C • 23:32, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I haven't put it up for deletion - but it does need work done for it to be viable. I was thinking along the lines of General Criteria 2 test page, in that it may have been created along with others with no intention of it being completed (see below), and possibly Articles 1. little or no context (which is where, I suspect, you and I differ). What context there is may already exist in other articles, and other than a birth date this article is not, IMO, notable. If one or two shortcomings could be addressed then it could easily be a stub; but perhaps it should have been created as one! LessHeard vanU 00:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

This is certainly not a test page (G2). As the example at WP:CSD gives, the content "Can I really create a page here?" would make it a test page. It is pretty clear that this page was created with intent to write a stub on a notable athlete. And as (A1) says, limited content is not a reason for deletion if there is enough context, and this article has. It is pretty clear, by reading the article, that Manfred Beer is a former German biathlete born in 1953. That is more than enough to get the context of the article. The article is not notable? You realize that Manfred Beer has won a medal at an Olympic Game, as well as won two World Championships? That is more than notable. – Elisson • T • C • 01:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I read the text "can I really create a page here" as an example rather than a definition; there is perhaps more than one way of testing Wikipedia - spinning off incomplete stubs from a parent article just to see how many you can do may be another (as I said, this is only an example - not an accusation.) Since you are an admin then, yes, your views then carry the argument... I am not a deletionist (in the last two days I may have doubled my speedy deletion requests from when I started some 9 months ago) so sometimes my judgement is wrong; that is why folks like you are admins, and folk like me request (or comment about requesting) deletion and wait for a decision. Communication is the key. Thanks for your efforts in this matter.LessHeard vanU 01:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

If the originator, or anyone else, does not do the necessary perhaps we could agree that I propose it for speedy delete, you make your objection, and we let an Admin decide? As we are both working for the same result - a better Wikipedia - then whatever happens will be for the best. LessHeard vanU 00:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

As said. This article does not meet any of the speedy delete criteria. I, as an admin, would never have deleted this article if I would have seen it with a speedy delete tag on it, so why not consider that the admin decision you ask for? Instead of wanting to delete a perfectly fine substub, why not try to expand it a little instead? Same amount of work (considering this discussion part of the "work"), better result. – Elisson • T • C • 01:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

re see below above; I left a note on the originators talkpage - and had a look at some of the other comments left there. It seems the editor has an individual approach to contributing, laudable in his enthusiasm but not so great at concensus, etc. I don't see why the rest of the community need to clear up/complete after an individual creates myriad entries for reasons perhaps not rooted in the wiki spirit (whatever that is, I'm hoping it is on the lines of brandy).

Thanks for your comments/advice.LessHeard vanU 00:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

It was by your message at his talk page I found this as I check by there regularly to see how SndrAndrss is doing. I know that he has problems with concensus and cooperation, I've already blocked him twice for not understanding such things. That does however not mean that none his contributions are wanted, because most of them are wanted, and this one, IMHO, is. – Elisson • T • C • 01:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleaning up

This article doe not need deletion. It needs to be cleaned up because Herr Beer is an Olympic medalist and his article can be adjusted to a much better condition than what it is right now. Chris 20:55, 1 January 2007 (UTC)