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[edit] Featured Article status

April 4, 2007. The day Wikipedia jumped the shark. — LoserTalent (talk • contribs).

haha. Featured Articles are well written and show wikipedia article guidelines -- not because everyone likes the topics featured. MrMacMan Talk 00:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I dunno, I see a shark that's been conspicuously laid at the feet of the main page. I'm not sure if the ramp next to it implies anything --but I dunno... --Bobak 00:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Does Jimbo Wales waterski? Or does it count if we dig a tunnel under the servers, fill it with water, and have the shark swim through it in an arcing motion? --LuigiManiac 00:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
OMG this is, like, totally HAWT! So cool, like whateva ur all hatas, Mandy is the greatest eva i luv u!
Seriously, this is totally unexpected, considering the usual subjects of FAs, although what better motivator than devotion to teenage idols? A pat on the back to the editors that got this article this far (I've seen plenty of articles got de-FA'ed, demonstrating just how hard it is to get up to snuff these days). But I've noticed that FAs are sometimes timed to somehow coincide with important dates of the article, so they probably should've saved this for April 10. Kelvinc 01:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I don't mean anything by it. Wikipedia won't jump the shark just because it includes something like this as Article of The Day. I don't hate it, I just thought of that when I read the talk page. --LuigiManiac 02:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Kelvinc: Saving it for April 10; It should be "Today's featured article" on Mandy's birthday. Haseo9999 02:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Well what's done is done. I'm just a bit surprised that they didn't choose that date: I actually think it's not that great of an idea to do coincidences like that. It distracts from the "FAness" and makes it seem like the FA is given because it's an anniversary. Kelvinc 03:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
rofl Nemobius 08:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
You must not have been here long, we've had more irrelevant FAs than this. (And yes, I know "relevance" isn't a criterion for FAs, but...) 71.62.51.172 15:55, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Irrelevant, yes it's not the first, but rarely so pandering to the common masses.  ;) Kelvinc 22:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Ah, this article's 24 hours are now up, and I'm happy to see that the criticism it got seems mostly to be based on the subject matter, which is fine by me. I'm fairly happy with the way it was handled during its "Featured day". Mad Jack 01:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Depression

I was surprised to see nothing whatsoever about Moore's disclosure of clinical depression. Figured it'd be under Personal Life, but I guess not.... Fifty7 01:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

In Jane magazine she said that she was depressed, but later in an interview on the View and some radio station interviews she clarified that she was merely "down" and "sad" and she was never diagnosed with clinical depression. --Jeclone (talk) 03:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Today's featured article of April 4 2007

Congratulations! It has taken a long time and hard work to get on today's featured article of April 4 2007. Considering that this article was first started on 23:59, November 13, 2003, I think our hard work has paid off! Haseo9999 01:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Looks like someone beat me to saying this ^ Haseo9999 01:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi.

This is a surfer of Wikipedia. I don't have an account or anything - I just surf articles and make grammar corrections. We are all very appreciative of the community work that goes into Wikipedia.

Organizationally, Wikipedia might work better for the end-user if it were broken into branches at a somewhat higher level that represented the end-user's interests.

Well-written articles like this one might be put under "Entertainment", etc.

For example, if someone were not interested in a category they would be able to exclude it.

Hmm, are you talking about something like Wikipedia:Portals? I don't see how it would be useful to "exclude a category", since you never know when you would need an article on just about any given subject. Your question might be better suited to the Help Desk. \sim Lenoxus " * " 12:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Height

Her height (approx. 5'10") doesn't deserve a brief mention in the article? I've tried adding this information yet it is continually deleted... --172.146.51.78 04:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I was told the wikipedia main editors(not that I know them) like deleting stuff because they think their rank is based on how much stuff they delete lol 66.32.95.206 19:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)yeahhyeahyeah

IMDB is not viewed as a WP:RS because its sources are mainly user contributions so it may not be reliable. MrMacMan Talk 04:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Also read this WP:TRIV stop renaming the "personal life" section "personal life and trivia". Thanks. Quadzilla99 04:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Her height is mentioned on her official fansite, Moore of Mandy.com. -- 203.206.116.50 09:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
It's still trivia and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. ShadowHalo 15:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
If there was some context or reason to include it like she had a successful basketball career in high school or worked as a runway model or a male lead had to stand on a stool for a scene with her, then her height would be worthy of mentioning because it would be included in a certain relevant context. But as you were including it was just random information which is trivia. Quadzilla99 11:02, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dollar Symbol linked to United States Dollar page

My edit to have the dollar symbol not link to the page for the USD$ was reverted. Seems to me it's not appropriate for the symbol to link to the $USD since it is a symbol used for several countries' currencies. If perhaps you added USD$ to the end of the figure amount and link that to the US Dollar, it may be more appropriate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.93.60.147 (talk) 05:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Indeed, $ is used for many currencies -- but the very point of piped links is that you can be directed the the most pertinent meaning. That's come to be the Wikipedia way of doing things --linking "Smith" to "Jane Smith" doesn't make people think that there are no other famous Smiths. \sim Lenoxus " * " 12:24, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] first paragraph

I think the intro paragraph should be tweaked. Saved, which came out in 2004, shouldn't really be considered one of her "latest" films. Didnt want to actually change anything since this is AotD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kangaru99 (talk • contribs) 06:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC).

Good point! Changed to "later films" Mad Jack 06:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sales Contradiction

... although So Real was certified platinum in the U.S. in early 2000 and sold nearly one million copies.

I think this line could be confusing; certified platinum is an RIAA statement that she sold AT LEAST one million copies; the statement that she sold fewer than one million is based on the Nielsen SoundScan ratings. The article should either clarify this or pick one or the other. Maxvip 13:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

RIAA certifications are based on shipments to retailers, not sales. Extraordinary Machine 17:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
The above statement is not exactly correct. According to Wiki's own cite on RIAA certification, "The audit is conducted against unit shipments (most often an artists' royalty statement is used), which includes albums sold directly to retailers and one-stops, direct to consumer sales (music clubs & mail order) and other outlets. Shipments that could potentially be returned to the label can not be counted." 210.20.86.85 14:47, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some comments/suggestions

The lead section is merely one paragraph (plus one short sentence), which is not up to date with current WP guidelines. A medium size article like this should have a lead section of two or three paragraphs, per WP:LEAD. Also, five far-use images for such a rather short text are debatable, I suppose. And using copyright violations (magazine scans) for references in not allowed per WP:EL. -- EnemyOfTheState 20:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Competitions

Is the following section that someone just added really notable? It is really a trivial incident that only marginally has something to do with Moore herself; it may be better placed in the "Extraordinary" article, if anywhere. Mad Jack 21:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

"In March, 2007 Moore held the Mandy Moore Extraordinary High School Competition on Eventful.[1] The competition allowed high school students to request that Mandy Moore perform in their city. High schools within the cities to show the greatest demand for Moore were made eligible to submit videos demonstrating their "extraordinary" nature. 466 people requested that Moore perform in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, winning the city the top spot in the first phase of the competition.[2]. The video creation contest phase of the competition is currently underway."
I'd like to mention that User:Jedsundwall works for this 'Eventful' company re his [website]. It wasn't very hard because he posted the link on his userpage. MrMacMan Talk 21:10, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I do indeed work for Eventful. If the Wikipedia community does not find my addition to the article relevant, please edit away. I feel that the competition I mentioned is, indeed, remarkable and pioneering, regardless of my affiliation with Eventful. Carry on.--Jedidiah 00:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah I didn't mean to demean the company you work for or your edits. I just wanted to point out a connection. MrMacMan Talk 00:27, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you—seriously. I'm not the most active Wikipedian, but I highly regard this community. I readily concede that my edits are not relevant to Moore herself, as pointed out by Mad Jack, so no hard feelings here. I'll be much more careful in the future. --Jedidiah 00:31, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extraordinary video

"Moore filmed a music video for "Extraordinary" in early March 2007; she appears as 120 versions of herself in the video." - is that true?? I can't seem to open the link to see if that says that, but 120 versions of herself??? That kind seems impossible for a video of a song that is less than 3 minutes long... -- Sarz 11:36, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

The link is to MTV news; odd that you can't open it... but it does say "Mandy Moore is going to top them all, since she'll be no less than 120 versions of herself in her upcoming video for "Extraordinary," which was shot earlier this month in Los Angeles" Mad Jack 15:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redlinks in the infobox.

As this article has featured article status, I wanted to discuss this before doing anything. What should be done about the redlinked genres in the infobox? Should they be corrected or not? They lower the quality of the page to me. Any thoughts on what to do? Acalamari 20:46, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Never mind. This has now been fixed. Acalamari 22:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] School?

How come this article doesn't mention anything about Moore's education? I'm guessing she only finished middle school and then dove right into singing, because she was fifteen when she debuted and it takes around a year to record and practice and wrap up for your debut and everything. This needs to be added to the article. ― LADY GALAXY ★彡 Refill/lol 02:10, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

It seems that we've always had picture issues for this article. Any reason why the previous one was not acceptable? TheKillerAngel 02:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe the image was deleted, as it became redlinked. View this version to see what I mean. I don't think I ever clicked on the image itself so I don't know what the copyright was. Acalamari 16:24, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Samples

Could someone make some samples of her best-known singles and add them? It's great and all to know what her album covers look like, but I think knowing what her music sounds like is more important. ShadowHalo 10:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Because I Said So edit reverted

FYI, what would count as a "source" for the discussion her character had in the movie that would be acceptable? I've done a search for a film script, but apparently no one wants to besmirch the Internet with such a banal piece of crap. I only inserted the edit because I thought it would complement/offset the horror she had over the orgasm on the magazine cover. I still think the edit should stand, but I'll let those who guard this article more closely decide. Anthony Hit me up... 22:40, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

My apologies for reverting your legitimate good-faith edit. I suggest you re-insert the information into the article. Foolish me. Acalamari 23:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Ironically, as I was watching that scene, I was thinking about the magazine cover incident (and how I had read about it on Wikipedia, haha). Anthony Hit me up... 23:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External Links

You know, how funny that you guys cant post up Mandys fansites on here, but you can post up stupid articles under external links. Since you people are so adament about posting "official" links, why not just keep HER official links on the external pages?? If not, then if you are going to include stupid articles in her external links, then you should scrap your crappy official links policy and start allowing her fansites to be posted. You also allow people to edit things on here, but once they do, and correct something you people remove it?? If you dont want people to edit information and to put up stuff that is accurate, or to add external links, then take off the edit feature, because it makes you all look like hypocrits!!!

[edit] Fashion career sounds reads a written ad

Sounds like an ad someone wrote. Someone please check into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.226.242 (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Is "American Roman Catholics" and "Jewish".... ¿? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.137.131.59 (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

In the category I have noticed a contradiction, on the one hand it is said that Catholic Roman, and for other one that is Jewish, is a problem is that I could not practise two religions in parallel, or is of one or other one, not of the two. --190.225.36.212 (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] my edit here was bogus

acclaimed should be removed from the first line of this article. someone's sleeping. Phil E. Transplant '08 00:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Announced Movies

I do not know where you guys get your info, but the movies you have listed for Mandy as announced are totally false. I know someone who knows Mandy personally who has confirmed the information to be false. She has not confirmed, or has had any interest in doing those movies. Since you people do not allow people to edit, you might want to go and remove those, since you guys are so interested in wanting accurate and "official" information.

Also, how stupid are you people, that you do not allow her fansites to be listed on the External links, but you will have various stupid articles listed there?? You have this BOGUS policy that ONLY official sites can be listed, but yet, fansites are not allowed to be posted, but stupid articles are??? Whatever...Since when are THEY official?? THEY are not. They are common articles that can be found in magazines and other places on the net.

Stop being hypocrits. If you dont want people editing your site, remove the feature. If you dont want fan sites to be added, and only want OFFICIAL sources to be added, then DONT add stupid articles to her External links. You guys have already proven to post up falsified garbage that is not officially announced and just based on hearsay...If you want any credibility, you should be more concerned about getting accurate information from ACCURATE sources instead of biased, rumor based hearsay.

03:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)jj1973Jj1973 (talk) 03:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC) 03:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Natalia

Hey Mandy ;) My name is Natalia :)Do You speak Poland? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.8.67.104 (talk) 13:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)