Talk:Manchester United F.C. season 1998-99
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[edit] Merge text
Text from Manchester United 1986-1999 to be merged in if necessary:
[edit] The treble
The season started poorly with a 3-0 defeat to Arsenal in the Charity Shield, but United improved as the season went on. They were unbeaten in any competition from December 1998 until the end of the season. In April 1999, they met Arsenal in what was the last ever, and is commonly regarded as the greatest ever, FA Cup semi-final replay. With United playing with only ten men after captain Roy Keane was sent off, Peter Schmeichel brilliantly saved a 90th minute penalty kick. Ryan Giggs scored the winning goal in extra time with a breathtaking run followed by a spectacular goal. United followed this victory up with a legendary comeback victory against Juventus, inspired by captain Roy Keane, to book their place in the UEFA Champions League final. The League was then clinched at home to Tottenham in United's final match of the competition. They then won the FA Cup with a 2-0 win over Newcastle, before the trip to Barcelona's Nou Camp to face Bayern Munich in the final of the UEFA Champions League, on the day which would have been Sir Matt Busby's 90th birthday.
Bayern Munich scored from an early Mario Basler free-kick and United fought the rest of the game to no avail, in fact Bayern should have scored again, hitting the woodwork twice. At 90 minutes, with the fourth official signalling 4 minutes of injury time, United won a corner and pulled out all the stops, even sending up goalie Peter Schmeichel, who, with Roy Keane suspended, was serving as captain in his last ever appearance for the club. Bayern Munich were in shock as Teddy Sheringham squeezed in the equaliser. Less than a minute later, United won another corner and Ole Gunnar Solskjær won it all with a goal to send the United fans into delirium and cap off an incredible comeback. Manchester United became the first English team to win the Premiership/FA Cup/Champions League treble. That summer, Alex Ferguson was awarded a knighthood for his contribution to United's success.
Their achievement in the Champions League final was ranked 4th in Channel 4's 100 Greatest Sporting Moments in 2002. Ryan Giggs' goal in the FA Cup Semi Final replay was ranked 23rd.
Image:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 00:40, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Tone
- The treble season is unique by its own name; three the magic number.
An introductory sentence like that sets the tone for this article - fanboyish, not encyclopaedic. Should be rewritten to a less gushing, more NPOV style. Qwghlm 11:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
- I'd be the first to admit my view on the subject is far from neutral, but I removed part of the sentence "A crowd reported to be over three-quarters of a million people lined the streets,including fans from bitter rivals Manchester City and Liverpool F.C , to cheer them on.". No self-respecting City or Liverpool fan would do so, and I would not accept the claim without a non-partisan source. Oldelpaso 19:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, Oldelpaso, but I'm going to have to argue that point. My wife is a Manchester City fan (I was trying to convert the family from the inside - unsurprisingly, I failed!) and she accompanied me to the hill, just outside Manchester Cathedral, as the bus went past. Whilst there was (admittedly) a distinct lack of cheering from her, I find it highly unlikely that, in a crowd of 700,000+ people, she was the only Manchester City fan there. As for Liverpool fans, naturally, I can't comment - but I would agree they are far less likely. Thus, I have re-instated part of the line.DAAdshead 17:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
- As I'm well known for my neutrality on this subject I thought I might be able to help. I don't think there's any doubt that a few scouse, city, Bolton etc fans were there watching, given the size of the crowd. I'm not at all convinced that they were cheering United on though. I don't think the fact that some of the crowd were fans of other clubs needs mentioning at all, so I've taken it out. If there had been an exceptionally large number of them then it would be different, but the fact that a few blues went along with reds they knew doesn't seem notable to.
- Got a couple of messages while I'm here: OEP, thanks for the support vote. DAA:if you're interested in finding out more about FCUM, have a look at Channel M's website. They've done a brilliant 30 minute programme on the club, and being Channel M they're repeating it all the time. It's well worth a look if you can pick Channel M up. CTOAGN (talk) 09:21, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, Oldelpaso, but I'm going to have to argue that point. My wife is a Manchester City fan (I was trying to convert the family from the inside - unsurprisingly, I failed!) and she accompanied me to the hill, just outside Manchester Cathedral, as the bus went past. Whilst there was (admittedly) a distinct lack of cheering from her, I find it highly unlikely that, in a crowd of 700,000+ people, she was the only Manchester City fan there. As for Liverpool fans, naturally, I can't comment - but I would agree they are far less likely. Thus, I have re-instated part of the line.DAAdshead 17:06, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge
I've merged the text of Manchester United treble into this article. For the edit history of the text I've merged, see that article's edit history. Image:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 04:19, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- CTOAGN - Good job with the basic merge of the document, but it this article remains poorly written (as I noted on the earlier page.) As such, I would have added a request for this page to be better presented in the THINGS TO DO box at the top of this Discussion Page, but don't know how to! Also, I think we need to add the WIKI standard "Cleanup" and/or "NPOV" box(es) at the top of the main Article page. Please can this be done? (Advice on how to do this would be most helpful!)DAAdshead 14:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I just looked this up at Wikipedia:Cleanup and Wikipedia:NPOV and added an NPOV template at the top (just typed {{Long NPOV}} into the edit box). We could add it to the list on Wikipedia:Cleanup but I'm not sure it's worth bothering as few of the people who read that are likely to be interested in football. I don't think it will take too long to tidy up the writing ourselves so I'd rather just do that. I'll do some more work on it when I get time and if you get a chance to tidy it up please do.
The todo box has got a link with 'edit' on it at the top-right, you can just click on that to edit it.
I was surprised how much I enjoyed working on this article. Happy days :-) Image:Yemen flag large.png CTOAGN (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Other competition?
What about the other thing United won that season, the European/South American Cup against Palmeiras, as that was this season, so it was really a "quadruple".--GingerM 15:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
- Possibly mention should be made of the World Club Championship. However, since this was won during the 1999-2000 season, perhaps it does not really belong in the Manchester United 1998-1999 page?DAAdshead 12:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
