Talk:Man Enters the Cosmos

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November 11, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

[edit] What's the fourth?

It states, "In Chicago, Moore has a total of four public sculptures on display" and then lists Nuclear Energy, Large Interior Form, and Reclining Figure. So what's missing? Kevin Forsyth 00:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

This one.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 23:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Oy. Duh. Kevin Forsyth 12:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Important note

Per WP:MOS#Images, sandwiching the lead between images on either side is strongly discouraged. This is extremely unsightly, and I suggest this be fixed in whatever fashion you see fit. A different alignment, or a gallery, might be the solution. Best of luck on the nomination, VanTucky ^Talk 23:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Aye, agreed, mucho bad. IvoShandor 08:05, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Revert while under review, gimme a fucking break. IvoShandor 19:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Alright so the language was a bit harsh, but please! IvoShandor 19:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You should read WP:OWN, really you should. Absurd, a change that two people have commented on is reverted. The NRHP template would be relevant if this was a registered historic place, it's not, that I know of, do what you want, this article sucks. No more helps from me, not here, not anywhere. IvoShandor 19:33, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Good idea, keep ignoring the concerns of others, keep on doing it. Your admin trophy you want so bad will never come, guaranteed. IvoShandor 16:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I am just getting back to the article. I have started a gallery and will move things around. I have swapped in some new picks I took this weekend. Give me a few days. It was just given a GA on hold status. We have 7 days to get things ironed out. I will not be an admin for other reasons than for not having looked at a talk page for 5 days. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think the current alignment, with the doubleimage template, is fine. As long as there is not a left aligned image in the lead I am happy. VanTucky ^Talk 22:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry I said your article sucks, it doesn't. As explained in email, this was nothing personal and mostly the result of numerous other issues on Wikipedia building up. I'm sorry Tony. Keep up the good work. IvoShandor 17:45, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA review comments

(Copied from User_talk:TonyTheTiger) Man Enters the Cosmos is certainly an interesting article, but I can't promote it yet. Since I'm not sure if these can be addressed in 7 days, I've decided to post here before putting the nomination on hold.

1. It's probably something that needs a lot of discussion from a wikiproject group, but in template infoboxes, I'm used to seeing the name of the subject in a slightly larger font at the very top. Why does the sculpture infobox not follow this convention? And while we're at it, why use an image with caption when in most infoboxes, the caption is an optional argument?

   I think {{Infobox Sculpture}}, {{Infobox Painting}}, {{Infobox Artwork}} all uniformly use the title convention you are contesting. I am not sure why, but this seems normal to me. I posted a note about a possible WP:CAPTION parameter at Template talk:Infobox Sculpture. I don't think the title should be moved at this point considering how many pages are laid out using the title parameter as it is in these three templates. I do think a caption parameter could be added and have requested it. However, I find nothing problematic with putting the caption in the brackets.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

2. "Man Enters the Cosmos is a cast bronze sculpture by Henry Moore located on Lake Michigan lakefront" Shouldn't that be "on the Lake Michigan lakefront"? Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
3. "Moore's sculpture is in the form of a functional bowstring..." This is wordy.Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
4. You say the sculpture was moved. Why? When? Who did the move? Where there any complications? When you say slightly further south, how many feet/meters/inches are we talking about?Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 16:53, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
5. Also missing: How does this sculpture fit in with the rest of his work? Did he intend for the sculpture to have a more specific meaning than to honor the space program? Was the sculpture an assignment from the museum or someone else?Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
6. "As the plaque indicates by noting with an additional correction"Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
7. Did Moore have any qualifications to build a sundial?

   I have no reason to believe he had any astonomy training.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

8. "to the earth's axis of rotation" (missing apostrophe)Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
9. How is the last paragraph in "Details" relevant to this particular sundial?

   In 5 above you hask about how this sculpture fits in with the rest of his work. This section clears some of that up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

10. "Moore used to take pride in viewing his sculptures in the open-air environment" This implies he changed his mind. You probably want: "Moore took pride..." Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
11. "In Chicago, including this sculpture, Moore has a total of four public sculptures on display." The order of sentence elements is confusing here. Suggestion: "Including this sculpture, Moore has four public sculptures on display in Chicago." (Does this mean they're all outdoor ones?)Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:25, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
12. Are the other sculptures bronze too?Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:16, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
13. A picture of one of the other sculptures for comparison would fit well in this section.Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
14. "Notes", technically those are "References" and several print sources are missing ISSN, ISBN and page numbers.

    There are no print references. All refs link to electronic references (including one publicly available .pdf). It seems that as per WP:FOOT, footnotes appear in a Notes section. I believe a refs section would be for a text from which many pages are cited. At least that is how I have done it in may other WP:FAs and WP:GAs.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 19:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

    References don't need to be print. I consider the definition for references "sources you used to write the article". Further explanations to the text, like explaning how a certain number was reached is a note (WP:FOOT#Notes). That's why I consider them references. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

15. "Registered Historical Places in Chicago, Illinois" is a category that applies to the planetarium and not the sculpture, at least according to the text. - Mgm|^(talk) 07:51, 25 October 2007 (UTC) Y--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 18:22, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
16. I would put the photos that are on the left side of the article as a gallery. It cramps up the text on my screen. --Pinkkeith 16:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

    Pictures rearranged.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:58, 1 November 2007 (UTC)