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STOP Racism towards Albanians and Offending! Your IQ really does not seem as high as you pretend .Anyway you reaction is lovely it has sense and it tell about you and what you reflect to the others … Alexander the Great
He knows my opinion about them: “cakallet” and he did certain things on my back
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[edit] They who misnamed themself will misname and their neighbours
"We" is the Wikipedia community, which has laid down these rules in WP:NCON and related policies. And no, it is of course not a "double standard", because it applies to everybody. Everybody gets to decide how to name themselves; nobody gets to decide how to name their neighbours. And yes, we could easily get rid of MOSMAC altogether, if it wasn't for the fact that the Greek editing community has been putting up an insane amount of disruptiveness and obstruction, and unfortunately we can't ignore their sheer revert-warring firepower, so we've had to accept a few compromises, short of having the lot of you banned. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC 4 million ethnic Albanians living throughout Greece
[edit] Alexander the Great is Albanian as Pirro
Alexander the Great is an Albanian nation myth just as it is Skenderbeu and Pirro burri.. ….Alexander the Great is a Macedonian King and an ancient Albanian King more then anything else.. Sources:
- See it like the language as located linguistically and geographically beetwen Illyrians in the west and Thracian in the east . like G. Bonfante (Rend. Linc. 1987, 83–5), look towards Illyrian; others, like I. I. Russu (Macedonica = Ephemeris DacoRomana 1938, 105–232), towards ‘Thraco-Phrygian’ The are reports that Greek scholar treating the issue with “real dogma” and “nationalist tone” . The Greek scholars, like G. Hatzidakis (1897, etc.) and above all J. Kalléris, Les Anciens Macédoniens 1 (1954), 2/1 (1976) [no more published; repr. 1988], have turned this assumption into a real dogma, with at times nationalistic overtones. The Oxford Companion to Classical Civilization Oxford University Press, 2000. Oxford Reference Online
- The Macedonian wars under the Alexander the Great are described in this reference under the main article Albania indicating his origin. Main Article: “Albania" The wars of Alexander the Great Map A Dictionary of World History. Oxford University Press, 2000. Oxford Reference Online.
- The potential of the Macedonian kingdom was realized by Philip II. By defeating the northern barbarians and incorporating the Greek-speaking Upper Macedonians he created a superb army which was supported economically by other peoples who were brought by conquest into the enlarged kingdom: Illyrians, Paeonians, and Thracians—with their own non-Greek languages—and Chalcidians (see chalcidice) and Bottiaeans, both predominantly Greek-speaking. ‘He created a united kingdom from many tribes and nations’ by a policy of tolerance and assimilation.Later the conquered territories split up into kingdoms ruled mainly by Macedonian royal families, which fought against one another and contended for the original Macedonian kingdom "Macedonia" Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007. Oxford Reference Online. Oxford University Press
- For non-Greeks to be ‘Hellenized’ (see hellenes) was, most obviously, for them to learn to speak Greek, but in the ‘Hellenistic’ period (from the death of Alexander (2) the Great in 323 BC to the victory of Octavian at Actium in 31 BC) much more than the Greek language was diffused, to different degrees in different places, over the area that Alexander had conquered. Often the eventual outcome was not so much the diffusion of Greek culture as the fusion of practices Greek and non-Greek. "Hellenism, Hellenization" Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007. Oxford Reference Online
- Evidence from phonology indicates that the ancient Macedonian language was distinct from ancient Greek and closer to the Tracian and Illirian languages.*It is to be assumed that the Macedonian dialect (or language) succumbed to Attic Greek..during the Hellenistic Age. W. B. LOCKWOOD 1972 Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007.
- Languages for which Illyrian origin is claimed or disputed are Venetic and Messapian in ancient Italy, Macedonian, and Albanian. Macedonian, that is, the native speech of the Macedonians as distinguished from the Attic which they came to adopt as their official language C. D. BUCK Compar. Gram. Greek & Latin 1933 Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World. Ed. John Roberts. Oxford University Press, 2007.
- Just imagine what would happen if Alexander the Great returned! Or Pyrrhus, who in his day fought so brilliantly against the Romans! They would hardly be able to recognize their country, but would leave again full of contempt, because it was no longer a home of freedom as in their day. The present squalor is so overwhelming that the author fears he will be unable to convince his readers that Albania was glorious not only in antiquity, but also during the immediately preceding period. Freedom reigned supreme, where now slavery has spread. In those times the whole world looked to Epirus in admiration, where now the only question is whether fortune will never weary of plaguing the country. Minna Skafte Jensen (b. 1937) Ass. professor of Greek and Latin, Copenhagen University, Professor of Greek and Latin, University of Southern Denmark, 1993-2003. Member of the Danish, Norwegian and Belgian Academies of Sciences and Letters. Main fields of research: Archaic Greek epic.
[edit] Legue of Prizeren
Greece which had been awarded the Arta region of Epirus , was determined eventually to take Ioannina as well,the center of Albanian culture in Epirus.pg153 TheBalcans 1804-1999 Misha Glenny ISBN 862070504
[edit] History of Byzantium
Timothy Gregory in his History of Byzantium (2005) pp.157-158: In addition, it is now generally agreed that the people who lived in the Balkans after the Slavic “invasions” were probably for the most part the same as those who had lived there earlier, although the creation of new political groups and the arrival of small numbers of immigrants caused people to look at themselves as distinct from their neighbors, including the Byzantines. The sixth-century western historian Jordanes claimed that there were three groups of Slavs: the Venethi, the Antae, and the Sclaveni, each of which, in his time, lived in different areas outside the Byzantine Empire. By the middle of the sixth century Byzantium began to make use of Slavic groups as foederati,but many of them simply crossed the Danube and settled on imperial territory on their own. Justinian’s considerable effort to fortify this frontier apparently had little effect…..Probably more significantly, most of the cities of the Balkan area ceased to exist in the late sixth and/or the seventh century, and social life changed dramatically. Thus, to return to the broader issue of what happened in the late sixth or the early seventh century, we should try to understand why and how Byzantine political and military control essentially disappeared from most of the Balkans
[edit] Arvanites are the essential part of modern Greeks
While Albanians (Epiriot and Macedonians) are remains of former Hellenic tribes. Arvanites are the remains Hellenic tribes too (as Albanians) and in the same time the essential part of moderns Greeks
[edit] true facts Helenet Albanians
"Ke te kate mileti Scipetarave, e pre e brachti tani trazonet kekh me beri. Te fliuturoni konduli ede te skroan paki charactiran, besen ede gliouan, Ke tesioche Scipetari, i Kisteri ede Tourk, se tane Ellinoze te nii mileti, gio de Sklavo, ede Italos, ede Gothte, e astou, ndo te nioche Kou kindron endreita inderese eti, e tsila efoundit, se tii, si te kouptonen ede te mare ne ouesi te paret, e tii Mpeleret me Arxontet. Mpen lipon ti Kiyarit e Scipetareve ke te melethsen me te vertet ka ta Kestione, Ke te mos iapen te te giouare fare me seretlik,techoia, Ke ato kane niet ke te andaine, neve, si siochen se ede ata istorikin te ede te nditourit Eyropet ian nde nii fiale te nii mileti se Scipetareve ede Ellineve githe nii ndoukan. Skipetare! Mi me sioume bese-lik ndote geni ne Ellhnete, se ne te tiere mileter TITUS Texts Blanchus, Dictionarium Latino-Epiroticum Frame_files\blancxx.htm
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http://www.davidrumsey.com/detail?id=1-1-29860-1140595&name=Greece I think that you have a very long tradition in bilingualism and not only that. The Hellenistic period included Epiriot and Macedonian in overall Hellenistic tribes and they adopt in certain level the koine dialect developed and similar with their own dialect you call them Greek and I call them Albanian but I would say Helens and not Greek actually
They are :“gjaku jone I prishur “ so why you do not make a genetic studies, in fact they are and you have claim before that you are genetically and anthropologically the same with native Greek, if you are not originally Albanians then what are you, lol ??Maybe if you make a genetic study with to day Albanians Epirot and Macedon, you will be happy if DNA shows significant differences and this is enough to prove that you are different because your Hellenic ethnography is almost lost , you lived more in south anyway and you were privilege in history from you brothers but them in difference from you they kept their native language and ethnos and probably are more Hellenes then you .With whom you intermixed anyway? I have heard that you like marriages with Albanians, it cleans your blood, but you have some conditions, the first to learn and to speak common modern Greek and believe in orthodox church. Why you do not try first to make your language official and some other things, what are you doing actually obscures your Hellenic identity …
