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Thanks

Thanks for your supportive comment, and for intelligently providing a link to the CFD discussion. - Fayenatic london (talk) 21:58, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

PBGC Maximum Guarantee

Hi Malik,

I see you've changed my edit of the PBGC maximum benefit. I respectfully disagree with the idea that the maximum guaranteed benefit increases or decreases based on actuarial considerations with respect to, e.g., actual retirement age being lower or higher than age 65, or, e.g., the presence of a joint & survivor annuity.

The maximum guaranteed benefit does not change except for the annual adjustment. What does change with the various actuarial factors, most typically age at retirement, is the monthly payment that one receives. See, e.g., PBGC's web site at http://pbgc.gov/workers-retirees/benefits-information/content/page789.html#2007

"The maximum guarantee is set by law for the year in which your plan ended. The amount you receive from PBGC will be based, in part, on your age at the date you begin receiving benefits from PBGC and, if your benefit provides payments to a survivor, your survivor's age."

The tables are based on mortality assumptions. If a person collects a monthly payment for life starting at age 63, he or she is likely to receive that payment for a longer period than a person who retires at 65. Therefore, the monthly payment is less for the person age 63. In both cases, however, the amount paid is of the same actuarial value, and that value is the maximum benefit.

--Hibsch 17:24, 9 July 2007 (UTC)Hibsch

Martin Luther King Submission Removal

Hi Malik,

I am disappointed your views are not neutral as you profess, but instead reflect a highly bigoted racist view. I am pleased, however, that you found nothing factually out of order (from government sources) with my submission before you deleted it, a view many would have derived benefit.

Furthermore, it is a sad testimony to Wikipeida's professed "independence" to have censored me.

I can only share my experiences with my newsletter subscribers, and hope some day Wikipedia's commitment will be to publishing truth rather than the political/bigoted slants of the moderators.

Regards,

Bill http://www.knology.net/~bilrum/KingofAmerica.htm

heads-up

See this. Tvoz |talk 07:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

He seems a bit agitated, shall we say. Tvoz |talk 07:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

DC Meetup notice

Greetings. There is going to be a Washington DC Wikipedia meetup on next Saturday, July 21st at 5pm in DC. Since you are listed in Category:Wikipedians in the District of Columbia, I thought I'd invite you to come. I'm sorry about the short notice for the meeting. Hopefully we'll do somewhat better in that regard next time. If you can't come but want to make sure that you are informed of future meetings be sure to list yourself under "but let me know about future events", and if you don't want to get any future direct notices (like this one), you can list yourself under "I'm not interested in attending any others either" on the DC meetup page. --Gmaxwell 16:57, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Template:P-Funk

WOW. The template you made is superb, and this set of articles badly needed one. Thanks for a job well done! InnocuousPseudonym 05:44, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Rabbi Zvi Block

Please see User:Rachack/Zvi Block/Links concerning Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zvi Block. --רח"ק | Talk | Contribs 06:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion

If that is so you can easily ptrovide a reference but do not restore the cat without a reference, such editing is unacceptable, SqueakBox 23:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Dont accuse me of vandalism for removing unsourced statements, you need to act in a good faith way, SqueakBox 23:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
Actually enforcing our policies around that cat is good faith and ignoring our policies and accusing me of vandalism is bad faith. Desist from your bad faith allegations, SqueakBox 23:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Another Ginny Pig

I did not experiment with Template:Judaism. Did you check out its talk page? I can't believe how many ginny pigs are trying to censor my NPOV edits and trivial fixes. The Tanya is not a Jewish religious book. Only a Chabad POV would list it as being a Jewish religious POV. That is not NPOV. Grow up and stop being a ginny pig. Either give a counterargument on the talk page or revert the page back to my edit. I would fully respect you if you decide to stop being a ginny pig but until then you are going to have to put up with my tone of voice. 210.84.40.154 23:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually anon, we don't have to put up with your tone of voice. This is a collaborative project. Do you speak to your colleagues in the workplace this way? It's not a productive way of accomplishing anything. --MPerel 23:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I would if they are doing someone else dirty work so I get in trouble. Pinchas wont revert his own edits so he get someone like you to do them so you can ban people like me. I figured this out when he banned me the other time. A corrupted person doesn't deserve to be talked respectfully to. 210.84.40.154 00:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Presumption and an attitude like that won't get you far, I'm afraid. Editors who refuse to comply with basic behavior guidelines do indeed get themselves blocked since a toxic editing environment is not very conducive to encylopedia building. --MPerel 01:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Literary collaborations

Thanks for your response. This is the first category I've created and I wasn't sure whether you write such notes or not. I'm a librarian by training and that's certainly what we do in library catalogues for subject headings so it seemed logical to me to do so. However I was a bit nervous about whether that's what's done here. (I'll look at your two egs - thanks) I'm happy with the two headings, really - it is an important area to cover. My main concern was that it was a brand new category created and so it would have been good to discuss it with me before changing everything...it would just have made me feel a little better than waking up to find all the previous night's work undone. No biggie though. I've only been here since May and I'm still learning how things are done. I appreciate it's a collaborative venture. I find it hard finding my way around the How tos, and the Category pages are quite mystifying still. For example. I do a search on 'Literary collaborations' and that category page appears near the top of the hit list but so far when I do a search on 'Literary collaborators' it doesn't come up on the first page of hits anyhow. (Do you know why this is?) So, I was about to create it when I noticed that Shsilver had added it to one of my articles - so at least I didn't duplicate all that again!! Sterry2607 01:25, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Getting my feet wet with the TIKKUN page

Thanks for your greetings and concerns about citations. I'm working now on some of that and removing some paragraphs entirely.

I've been to Mashjid Malik Shabbaz al Hajj in Harlem twice with DC area African American and Jewish students before we traveled down South for a month. Anyway, this is my first edit job. Keep me updated on how I can best incorporate my information to create a valuable entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.42.208 (talk • contribs) 02:39, August 4, 2007

Allegations of Chinese apartheid AfD

Following your recent participation in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of French apartheid, you may be interested to know that a related article, Allegations of Chinese apartheid, is currently being discussed on AfD. Comments can be left at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of Chinese apartheid. -- ChrisO 16:01, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Al Sharpton

The Sharpton comments on the talk page that you recently addressed fall under WP:BLP policy. As such, I ask that you first remove the comments from the lead paragraph, then address issues I raised on the talk page about that particular section within the article, then you may reinsert the sentences as they now stand back into the lead paragraph. KP Botany 23:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the positive response to this request. I'm sure the article will be better and POV concerns will be largely eliminated because of your willingness to look over the sources and find more neutral ones. KP Botany 00:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks

good suggestion on lehi page. Amoruso 12:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

On Malcolm X's alleged pre-NOI bisexuality

Peter Tatchell#Attitude to Islam. Also, His op-ed on Malcolm and the response from Peter Akinti. Please don't remove that section again, considering that it involves allegations of a historic nature that should be included under a Posthumous allegations of homosexuality section. --Toussaint 14:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Obama

The FOP union endorsed Hynes but he lost the primary so they changed their endorsement. If false, I lied but out of ignorance. Local667forOb 00:05, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity-American actors categories up for deletion

I thought you might be interested in this - a number of Ethnicity-American actors categories have been nominated for deletion. But racial categories were specifically not nominated, and for that I'm personally neutral about the deletion nomination. If you have an opinion, take a look at the nomination:

Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notability (pornographic actors)

There is a discussion occuring here regarding nominations for an award counting as a sign of notability. As an active participant in WP:P*, your input is welcomed. Tabercil 15:56, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Your Wikipedia:WikiProject Pornography/Deletion comment

Don't panic. I made a note on his talk page (before your note on WP:P*/D) and it looks like he stopped. User_talk:Nasmformyzombie#Speedy_deletion_nominations I'm reverting most of his nominations. There are, however, a few that seem like they genuinely don't assert notability, for example Dean Flynn. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want to help, you can go through the ones that I'm leaving the speedy tag on (they'll be the ones still marked with Top in his contributions), and see if you can find an assertion of notability to put in them. An award, articles about them, something unusual, that sort of thing. Google around a bit. If not, they could well be justly deleted. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:49, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Here we go again - Lists of XXX-Americans nominated for deletion.

Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 21:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for the tip info re: categories. I was wondering why there were only a few entries under the strait category. Shit, should I go back and chnage them? I need to study up better, eh? Take care amigo, brooklyn_agit 14:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

African American

Please respond on the article talk page about your removial of the fact tag.--SefringleTalk 00:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Flava Flav

Why are you such a Flava hata?--Hazillow 22:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Nat Turner's slave rebellion

Hi there. I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to state references in this format: "Richmond Enquirer, November 8, 1831, quoted in Aptheker, American Negro Slave Revolts, p. 299." It's perfectly fine to write only: "Richmond Enquirer, November 8, 1831." I'm trying to bring this article to GA/FA status soon, and from my experiences, people prefer to have the original source only written. Thanks, Nishkid64 (talk) 17:36, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad that we can work together on the article. I don't have any of the books, but I have been relying on Google Books (I use it for most of my Wiki article research). See Aptheker, Gray's_Confessions, Oates, and French. Nishkid64 (talk) 21:35, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Slavery template

Hi there, yes i see it on the biog of every Slave, slave owner and abolishonist or politician involved in the slave trade. I'm working my way through, List of known slaves at the moment and at the same time adding info about the slaves to the list if it was not present (such as with Booker T). Any help you can give would be great. (Hypnosadist) 00:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For being encouraging and kind and noticing the contributions of others Tiamat 20:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

You did a lot of your own good work there too. Tiamat 20:36, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Jaman links

Please stop undoing all my edits. All external links are relevant, according to the guidelines. Jaman is an internet resource like imdb, for independent films, with extra information and reviews about the films. The links are not spam. I'd like to point out the following paragraph from the guidelines:

Wikipedia articles can include links to Web pages outside Wikipedia. Such pages could contain further research that is accurate and on-topic; information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks); or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to their reliability (such as reviews and interviews).

Shiftedreality 22:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Jaman is not a pay site as such, you only need to pay to download movies, you don't need to pay to read the extra information that the link refers to. Jaman is as mucch a pay site as the New York Times is, where you need to pay extra for extra content. Jaman is about independent and foreign films, where there is usually very little information about the film available on the internet, that's why I was cross linking the films on wikipedia. Shiftedreality 22:32, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Jewish population on the territories annexed by the Soviets in September 1939

Hi Malik, Thanks for your comments and hard work on this project. I'm really exited that I can help as well. I have to disagree with you however as far as behavior of Jewish population on the territories annexed by the Soviets in September 1939. Many Jews did welcome Soviets with flowers and greeted Russian forces. Poles did see Jews as traders in those areas. This is a fact. I know that not only from my own research but also from my family, which is part Jewish and came from what was then Eastern Poland. I'm know that Jewish behavior as far as Soviets led to (if not to more anti-Semitism) antipathy to Jews among Poles and in some cases pogroms like Jedwabne etc. I think it is necessary to mention that. Please think about it and let me know what you think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacurek (talk • contribs) 10:43, September 9, 2007

Jewish population on the territories annexed by the Soviets in September 1939

Hi Malik and thanks for your comment. You see, my grandfather was from there and he was the one who told me about it how Jews were naive and welcomed Russians with flowers as protectors from the Germans and Polish hooligans. He was part Jewish himself and all his Jewish friends were greeting the Soviets. They were ashamed of it later but in September 1939 they did welcome the Soviets. Poles from that areas remember that very well and I think that if we don't mention that they will think that we are trying to hide something. I will make just a small change adding " and initially greeted Russian forces". Does this look o.k. ?. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacurek (talk • contribs) 20:26, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


..... O.K. I will try to find something to back it up. I think that this is very important, since some may think that we want to hide something. Polish Jewish history is so rich and so complex. There is so many taboos. .. also I have some family photos from that time were you can see some Jews with red bandanas but of course how can you proof that they were Jews and that this is 1939 and not 1945. Greetings.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacurek (talk • contribs) 20:47, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

History of Jews in Poland

Thanks for the interest in those subjects; more editors mean better articles :) Perhaps, if you are interested in those issues, you would like to comment on another recent discussion: see Talk:Stefan Czarniecki#Jews during the Deluge and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Jewish_history#Stefan_Czarniecki.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  22:55, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Josh Gibson

Requesting your opinon on an article. There seems to be a movement to downplay minority achievements in a baseball . Wondering if you can give your opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Josh_Gibson#Home_runs

64.131.205.111 16:11, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

It was less about baseball and more about should certain sources be alright to use. 64.131.205.111 08:17, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that link

It will be very useful to the article. We finally have a birthdate and place of birth too! Tiamut 00:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate edits by one editor Kemet

Kindly refer yourself to action I have taken on this matter on the Administrators' noticeboard. Some of the presumptively hostile editing seems to be directed against you. Best, Noula69 11:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

He's at it again

Please give your opinion: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Auno3 (2nd). JScott06 16:21, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:Antisemitism

Let's discuss things before you revert please. Ludvikus 00:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Jews and their Lies

Why include this, but not the Protocols actual titles? Ludvikus 00:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The Culture of Critique series

Why include this, but not the Protocols actual titles? Ludvikus 00:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message of support. I believe you're a dedicated Wikipedian yourself. So why don't you sign your name on my page> I would like very much to have you signature!

Best wishes, --Ludvikus 01:30, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Please engage in a discussion before you delete any titles, or restore what's been deleted. Best. --Ludvikus 06:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

The Protocols of Zion

Dear Malik Shabazz,

You know, there are many titles of the above racist text. And there are reasons for that. I like to play with a mystical one: If God is One (the First Commandment), then naturally Satan is Many. But also, you'll notice that there are many editors working on the Main article of The Protocols. I spend my Wiki time writing and developing articles on the many dependent articles. You cannot just look at the Forest if you wish to achieve understanding. You must also examine the individual Trees which compose it.
Best regards, --Ludvikus 01:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Please engage in a discussion. I've spent a lot of time presenting stuff on the above at Wikipedia. It turns out that most people don't really know what the above is. For one thing, it's not a single thing. That's why I think it's so important to reflect that plurailty on that very useful Template.

I hope you are able to compromise, Wikipedian brother. We all think we know the truth. Even Hitler believed he was truthful. That's why we need to compromise.
Best to you, --Ludvikus 07:02, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Your Proposed Template

First, it's not a SINGLE book, as I keep saying. But you have a very good idea. Can you help me create such a Template? I've never created one from scrtch. I'll do the rest if you just create a Biler Plate Template? And if you won't or can't do that, can you point where I can learn it?

Best regards, --Ludvikus 07:32, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Good job on the new Template stub. Much appreciated! Now to study it, and its format.... Thanks alot!!! --Ludvikus 12:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Pardes (legend)

Hi, Malik. See the talk page, maybe you'll join me in doing an AfD to merge it elsewhere? Reply via my talk pls. Thanks. HG | Talk 20:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for prompt reply. You did a real nice piece there w/Elisha. I just copied some of the material into Kabbalah, could be smoother, but I'm surprised that article doesn't go into the Talmudic restrictions (which are alluded to later as being eased). Anyway, I see no reason to try to make Pardes a main article -- unless you or somebody want to extract from Elisha bA and rewrite both. Why go through all that bother? How about I just Move the Pardes (legend) into a redirect to your nice piece in Elisha? Keep it simple... Yours truly, HG | Talk 20:51, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Anarchism in Cuba

Hey, though you're on break, I figured I'd see if you felt like checking out this article I'm working on in my sandbox. Any advice or help you could give would be great. I'm basically "done" with the first half of the history section, and will hopefully get the second half done within a week or so. Hope you enjoy your break! Murderbike 02:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Palestinian denialism

I notice on your home page that you claim to have visited "Israel" but don't also list Palestine. This suggests that you deny the existence of the Palestinian people, their homeland, and their historic presence in it. After noticing that, I am not surprised at all that you trashed all of my edits on the Nadia Abu El Haj page, underlining the denialist nature of the attacks on her. As you are clearly quite partisan in this matter, I would suggest you not allow your own biases and belief in the superiority of Jewish rights to those of we lesser breeds to continue to delude your work on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.142.139 (talk) 00:46, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't owe you an explanation, but I find your comments laughable, as I am usually accused of being pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel. Look at the history of Facts on the Ground: Archaeological Practice and Territorial Self-Fashioning in Israeli Society or Nadia Abu El Haj, such as this. I'm also the person who identified Stern as a West Bank colonist. So don't shoot off your mouth before you know what you're talking about.
I don't "claim to have visited 'Isreal'". I lived in Israel. I didn't visit Palestine, because at the time it was occupied by the Palestinians' Arab "brothers" in Jordan and Egypt.
You're right about one thing. I am "clearly quite partisan in this matter". I am always a partisan for the truth. Read the footnotes (#10 and #11) I wrote about Stern's lies about Facts on the Ground.
Now tell me again about my feelings about Jews, Israelis, and Palestinians. And then go to hell. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 01:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

A DISGRACE TO THE USER NAME HE USES

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS FOR REVEALING YOUR TRUE COLORS (BLUE AND WHITE THROUGH AND THROUGH)

YOU ARE A RACIST SWINE AND YOU DISGRACE YOURSELF HERE; THE WAY YOU DEFAME A GOOD MUSLIM MAN'S NAJME WITH YOUR ZIONIST BIGOOTRY IS DISGUSTING1

GO TO HELL ZIONIST MUNAFIQEEN SWINE1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.142.139 (talk) 01:12, September 20, 2007 (UTC)

I love you too. I look forward to seeing you in hell, hypocrite. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 01:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Stop

Do not delete comments. It violates wikipedia policy. 68.32.238.94 23:42, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

If the above refers to User talk, perhaps Malik already knows the following. According to our policies, "More latitude is extended for user talk pages. Policy does not prohibit users from removing comments from their own talk pages, though archiving is preferred. For more information, see Wikipedia:User page." Hope that's helpful. Good luck. HG | Talk 23:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
No; the user removed a comment from an article talk page that was on-topic. Presumably he did so because he disagreed with the message expressed. It is unfortunate for someone to do undermine the credibility of wikipedia by censoring content. 68.32.238.94 23:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

MLK

Your reverting of my edit, and its classification as vandalism is not consistent with wikipedia's policy of assuming good faith. Please remove the vandalism claim and discuss this matter with me on the talk pages. I will be happy to share my sources, including the article which discusses the findings of the investigative committee formed at Boston University to investigate the charges of plagiarism.I feel strongly that when discussing a degree that was earned through plagiarism, that the mention of the plagiarism is germane to an encyclopedic entry.I look forward to hearing your views, and will be anxious to come to a consensus. Die4Dixie 20:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Common courtesy would dictate that you would respond to where I posted originally. I have indeed read the articles. You have no idea what my motives might be, and should assume that they are not for " partisan " reasons. I certainly didn't assume that we were adversaries.I do not think that mentioning it at the same time as the awarding of the degree would diminish one jot his contributions to social justice.It is factual; therefore, it bears mentioning in the same breath.Die4Dixie 20:46, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't comment on my talk page any more.

Don't comment on my talk page any more. Thank you. Popkultur 21:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Singerman

Are you familiar with the guy? He's full name is Robert Singerman. I want to use his cataloging system to identify each [explitive deleted] antisemitic title Wikipedia has an article on. Can you support me in the development of that stub? Best to you, --Ludvikus 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

PS: Click on Singerman, not the the full name, to get there. Thanks again. --Ludvikus 20:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Your revert in New anti-Semitism

I'm tempted to revert your recent revert of the insertion of German material. WP:BOLD allows editors to make changes without prior discussion. Your revert just complains about the editor being bold without raising a substantive issue wiht the content. And you haven't explained it in the talk page either.--Peter cohen 21:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages. Now that someone's identified this as a copyvio and found the original source, I'm much happier with it being ommitted.--Peter cohen 09:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Rudy

Hey - thanks for catching that citation problem. I did the edit quickly, trying to make sense of a messy sentence, but should have checked the ref. BTW, did you see my brush with fame? Tvoz |talk 15:57, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I would like a paper copy - if you were serious, I'll email you my address. Thanks! Tvoz |talk 00:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Template:The Protocols

What do you think of it so far: {{Template:''The Protocols''}} Yours truly, --Ludvikus 03:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

More fan mail

Next time you're in tel-aviv, drop me a line. Telaviv1 13:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Race and health

Cool user page! and thanks for your interest in my rewriting of Israel, Palestine and the United Nations. Since your "to do" list seems a bit short (insert ironical smile here), here is a suggestion : could you please improve the quality of the Race and health article? As an American, you may not know that no other western country compiles its health statistics based on race. This strange practice in the US calls for more criticism and scrutiny. Emmanuelm 18:27, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: P-Funk

Thanks for the clarifications on the CFD discussion. I hope you'll take a look at my recent edit to the opening section of the P-Funk article. Until recently it simply called P-Funk a genre, while I tried to turn the focus towards the actual groups and their style. I have seen the term "P-Funk" used as an adjective in this context.

Sorry if my comments at CFD are muddying the waters, but by this point I am frankly trying to forestall Otto4711's demolition of the whole P-Funk category tree, which from what I've seen elsewhere is what he specializes in. InnocuousPseudonym 19:32, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

African American article

Can you do me a favour and fix the Obama sentence in the African American article? My only concern is that it comes across as contradictory and thus confusing. I attempted a compromise but if I attempt another it will look like an edit war. Any help you can provide would be appreciated Iseebias 13:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)