Talk:Malinda Cramer

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A fact from Malinda Cramer appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on 22 May 2008.

[edit] Please do not redirect this article

This author, feminist, and founder of a religious denomination deserves her own article. She is certainly notable. Please do not redirect. Thanks, Madman (talk) 14:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop restoring unsourced articles that have been redirected

It is a WP:POINTY violation of WP:V & WP:NOTE -- both of which require WP:RSs. User:Srleffler's original redirect was perfectly legitimate. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 14:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I have added references. This article will be expanded. Thanks, Madman (talk) 14:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The correct thing to do is to provide references before edit-warring to restore it from redirect. Also of your three references, one is to an unreliable commercial blurb (of unknown authorship, accuracy and editorial oversight) and the remaining two are to sources within Divine Science. As such notability has not been established and I have templated the article accordingly. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 14:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gale Publishing ref

This URL is for the 'Biography Resource Center' (http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/BioRC) generally, not for specific information on Cramer. Additionally, attempting to access it yields:

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It is thus not publicly accessible. Combining these two drawbacks makes it absolutely useless for verification purposes. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 15:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Given that Madman2001 has expressed no interest in discussing this issue, but simply reverts my concerns, I have taken up the issue at Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Is a nonspecific reference to a non-publicly-accessible website "verifiable". Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 03:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't revert your "concerns", just your deletions of properly source material. Gale Publishing is a reputable publishing company and much/most of the online material is also available in book form as well. The material that is referenced is not contentious, just simply dates and biographical facts. Please assume good faith. Thanks, Madman (talk) 04:02, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Madman2001: Get your facts straight! The edit that you reverted did not contain a deletion, as this dif of your reversion clearly demonstrates. I am not disputing that Gale Publishing is WP:RS, merely that your reference to them is unverifiable. After your stream of accusations of vandalism against me for merely following WP:V, your "Please assume good faith" is extremely WP:POT. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 04:36, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Further on this, advice from Wikipedia talk:Verifiability raised concerns about the citation's specificity, but one of them suggested "a quick search of the given citation". When I did this, it turned up that this seems to be the standard way of citing Gale. This still strikes me as not being particularly informative, but given that it's the standard, objecting to it would be WP:POINT. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk 05:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)