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[edit] Discussion

Let's try and resolve the dispute here. dishant 01:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Exact problems

OK, looking at the diffs here

  • The existence of an Dhai Ghar at the top of Khatri hierarchy is unsourced.
  • The idea that Malhotras are descendants of Yudhistira, whom many Indians revere as a symbol of truth and piety, is definitely false considering that at the end of the Mahabharata Yudhistira had no living children. Also, Yudhistira was not a Malhotra himself. This is just peacock claiming.
  • All the ideas about connections between Malhotra, Mehra, Mehrohtra, Tandon, Kapoor etc. are unsourced and I thus add {{Fact}} tags to it, which you remove consistently.
  • You remove the correct reference formatting, perhaps to hide the fact that your text has NO references.
  • You remove social groups of Pakistan. It seems that you have a prejudice, as you have previously described claims that Malhotras converted to Islam as derogatory.

All you say when you revert is that you are removing fictitious claims that Malhotras are Vaishya and Muslim. Nowhere does it say Malhotras are Vaishya, it says that Malhotras have expanded into Vaishya lines of work. You say I add this as retaliation for your edits on Luthra, but note that the page has text about Luthras expanding into Vaishya lines. You also seem to deny that Khatris converted to Islam and became Punjabi Shaikhs, I have no idea why you do that. Basically your reverts have no basis. dishant 08:59, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I have dealt with this already. Copy of posting made by me earlier below, which sums up matter quite clearly. Quick points though-

  • Clicking on the link You have given above - My edits says "Along with the Khanna and Kapur clans, the Mehra/Malhotra clan forms the Dhai Gar(which means 2 1/2 families), in the Kshatriya Khatri clan hierarchy."and I have provided a source for that -- It does NOT as you claim say there is a Dhai Ghar at the top of the Khatri heirarchy (even though that may be true) , so you are making things up again.
  • It seems you have subtely removed that since this version where it said they were at the top. But that does not matter now. My version also says they are part of the Dhai Ghar. dishant 07:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • contrary to your claims your edit says "Malhotra ..are considered Vaishya in that respect",
  • The '...' prove that you are misquoting and trying to remove facts. It says "many modern Malhotras have taken up only the trade and mercantile businesses and are considered, within the system of varnas, to be Vaishya in that respect". Tell me how that is wrong??? dishant 07:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • and contrary to your claims that the article has no references the history page of Malhotra shows I have added over 40 external reference sources to the page many of which you have repeatedly removed.MY sources in Yellow that you had removed
  • FORTY!??? Isn't that an exaggeration. And they were added in the wrong format. The reflist format is the correct one, so you are in the wrong here. dishant 07:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
  • and your claims that Malhotra's converted to Islam, Malhotra Shaikhs mostly live in Pakistan etc are as I am sure you well know ludicrous given that Malhotra are Hindu and Kshatriya caste, one of the four castes in the Indian caste system of Hinduism. Given your claims that Malhotra is a very common name it is funny that a google search on "Malhotra Shaikhs" [1](as you have added an edit saying "Most Malhotra Shaikhs are now settled in Pakistan.") only brings up 1 hit which is Your edit!! Its ludicrous like claiming Cohen's are not Jewish and converted to Islam and are now mostly settled in Iraq !
  • They are obviously NOT called "Malhotra Shaikhs". But it is known that many Khatris converted to Islam and became Punjabi Shaikhs and thus Malhotras who are Khatris could also have converted. You say it is ludicrous given that Malhotra are Hindu and Kshatriya, on of the four castes. Well every Hindu has a caste/varna, that does not mean they cannot convert!! Otherwise, Saigal's are also Kshatriya, then why are there Muslim Saigals?? dishant 07:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

It therefore appears to me that Dishant55555 edits are in bad faith. (81.149.27.200 22:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] POV edits and repeat vandalism by Dishant55555 who has received 3 warnings

The issues as I see them are -

A) Has Dishant55555 been making grand unsubstantiated POV claims about the Luthra family and citing fake sources ?

B) Has he been repeatedly vandalizing edits by users who have reverted his POV ?

A) Grand unsubstantiated POV claims -- Good example is on the Luthra Page under Role in Society paragraph [2] where he makes the claim and I quote "Luthras are Kshatriya and are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class." and provides an alleged source for this claim Click here. The link however says that Luthra is an Indian surname NOT that they are known for their prominence as warriors and of the ruling and administrative class. He makes further POV claims about Luthra's prominence in the army but again is not able to provide any reliable source for his claims. The examples of his peacock claims can be see at this link - [3] from the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.

His exaggerated claims have been removed by Admins recently for example [4] showing that I am not the only one who finds him edits unworthy of inclusion on wikipedia. Other "Prominent" Luthra's Dishant55555 had added include- a "Prominent Biologist" who turns out to be a biology student, a Prominent Politician who turns out to be a losing politician in a small municipal election etc etc. I had reverted these and left a message on the talk page saying I am happy to leave them there if he is able to provide reliable sources for his claims. He has not done so and instead has been vandalizing pages I and other users who reverted his peacock claims including Khatri and Kapoor pages.


B) If you look at the differences in his and my edits on the Malhotra page vandalism of the Malhotra page you can see an example where he has removed dozens of lines of sourced edits with external reference links. He suggests he has tried to talk to me before but has not had a reply which is fictitious. I posted my comments a month ago and on his talk page [5]

His vandalism is now cleverer and he has now changed tack and keeps adding fictitious claims that Malhotra's are Vaishya caste and converted to Islam and have changed their names to persian ones etc. He provides a single reference for all these claims which turns out to be one he has cut and pasted from the khatri page (4th last item under Reference) -even the page numbers match exactly !

He also makes a fictitious POV claim that "Most Malhotra Shaikhs are now settled in Pakistan." There is no such thing as Malhotra Shaikhs as Malhotra's never converted to Islam. A google search [6] comes up with just one entry which is Dishants5555 fabricated entry on here. Malhotra is of course a Hindu or Sikh Kshatriya caste name as can be seen on the [[7]]. In India people are proud of the religion and caste and falsely changing this on a reference work I find offensive. He also makes petty edits such as changing an edit that Malhotra's were the subject of a TV series (which is a NPOV fact) to adding " because of the commonness of the Malhotra name" which is his unsourced POV. He is also still currently deleting most of the Reference section on the Malhotra page.

Could Admins please help and stop User:Dishant55555 from doing this and revert the Malhotra, Luthra and khatri pages back to the NPOV version before Dishant55555 POV edits. (81.149.27.200 22:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Protection

Looks like the edit war is stale, probably time to give peace a chance... Studerby 09:52, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Word Mehra

The word Mehra, from which both Malhotra and Mehrotra are derived, is from Sanskrit Mihir which means sun.

It is related to Indo-Iranian Mihr.

Some of the other Khatri clan names are also thought to have been formed using words for Sun. For example Tandon is thought to come from Martanda.

--Vikramsingh (talk) 01:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)