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[edit] Discussion

This article is broken. The content in "derived names" really belongs in the "dates" section, while the former section itself has little discussion on why the malayalam month names are identical ( in meaning) to the names in the western zodiac chart; more information on this will also shed further light on the origins of the calendar.128.165.21.77 22:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

HI My dad was born on 23rd of the karkadikam month in 1946.Would u please help me to find the date in the english calender. We just dont know his birthday . My Id is varghese.k.thomas@gmail.com. Thanks VT

Hmm..if this site is anything reliable, then, your dad was born on the 7th of August, 1946. It was a Wednesday, and his nakshatram is Aniyzham. I've sent this to your mail too. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK11:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] days in month

can somebody please mention the no. of days in a month and days in a year for the malyalam calender.nids 10:40, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think the answer is that a month can have anywhere between 28-32 days. Anywhow, I've passed your question over to the Kerala Noticeboard. Please check there too. -- thunderboltza.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK11:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] origin

The attribution of Malyalam calender to Adi Sankaracharya is disputale. There are more than three attribution of origin of malyalam calendar.
1. To king Udaya marthanda varma who who was a rular in Kollam (hence kola Varsham) 2 According to Tharisapalli plates (892 AD) by ayyanadikal thiruvadikal to the christian merchants by the king although the dates mentioned in the plates are reigning year of the king. 3. as you cited to Adi sankara.

Of these the 2nd one has more histriographical evidence.

In his book (veNadiNTe pariNAmam) K Sivankaran Pillai,DC books, 2005 pp 28-29 has mentioned about existance various theories about the origin of M.E . But he gives the most importance to the 2nd one above. The Nestorian's fled from the Islamic conquests and chose korukeNikollam( a Famous trade centre as a refuge. They established a church,colony and invited a bishop/matron from persia. This was during 824-825 and they stated a new era. They called year kollam thondriya aanT(somebody please translate)!!! . Since they were aginst the roman church they were against Anno Domina or the Islamic era they had go for calender of their own. Nestorians were merchants when trade flourished their dates started to be used widely. The problem was the difficulty in accepting that christians started the era and various interpreations flourished Even the Kerala Government quotes Herman Gundert ("according to Herman Gundert") without any references that it was durng the time of udaya marthaNTa vaRma a shiva temple was built and during its consecration( which was the start of harvest season(chingam) the era was started. And most of them refer to this Gundert Quote. activevoid (talk) 08:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I am a little confused by this line : It was 3926 years into the Kali Yuga in 824 AD. Kaliyuga began in 3102 BC. I might have got the math wrong but I get the year 3926 as AD 822-823. Tintin (talk) 09:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

We do not have a clear Idea when the era started Exactly. Most them agree that it started somewhere in 824 - 825 AD. And for calculation we take it as 825 AD. I just quoted it as is was given by the site from the travancore state manual. So Mr velu pillai might have had erred by few years. I just want to quote the that it was kali abda. activevoid203.200.35.8 15:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Also Please see the section "Other year zero traditions" in 1st millennium which clarify why its 3926 in It was 3926 years into the Kali Yuga in 824 AD and not any Other date....activevoid (talk) 13:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The first month

The first month in Malayalam (Kollam) Calendar is not Medam (മേടം), but Chingam (ചിങ്ങം). The astrological and astronomical zodiac cycle starts at Medam, but Malayalam Calendar starts on Chingam 1, which occurs in mid-August. Umesh (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding - Comparative table showing corresponding months of other calendars

The tables show each malayalam month mapping onto two months in a number of calenders, including the Hijra Era.

I do not think it is possible to associate a Malayalam month with two constant months in the Hijra Era, as the Hijra calender is not expected to remain in synchrony with the seasons; or in synchrony with other calenders which preserve their relationship to the seasons.

The H.E. has 354 days which causes it to shift by 11 days a year with respect to the solstices and to calenders which preserve a constant date for the solstices or equinoxes.

In the table, the current malayalam month does not actually match the given Hijra months for Medam 1183 (or May-June 2008), as given in a Government Calender I have.

I suggest that the column for the Hijra Month be amended - to specify the year we are talking about,; or that column be deleted entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.67.64 (talk) 21:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Names of the Months in the Calender

It appears to me that there is some relation ship between the names of the months and the signs of the zodiac. For example, Chingam is followed by Kanni, just as Leo is followed by Virgo. the same seems to be true for the rest of the months.

Considering that the signs of the zodiac is also followed in europe, is this some sort of weird ancient cultural contact ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.67.64 (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2008 (UTC)