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The article is Original research and synthesis. Malayala Kshatriyas is a pov creation of the author. No Google result other than two from Wikipedia, both of which are the creation of the author. 59.91.253.9 19:48, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

According to Nambuthri definition there are no such things as "Malayala Kshatriya". It is important to note that the first Upanayanam to be performed by a Varma was in 1500s, and that was done by Brahmanar from outside Kerala because the Nambuthris thought of Varmas, Nairs and other Savarnar alike as Sudra. If there is such a thing as Malayala Kshatriya, this would include Nairs as well (the Varmas come under the general umbrella of Nair), and all that is different between Nair and Varma is that Varmas have begun wearing the Poonul since 1500s, all other traditions and customs are the same. In fact there are Varma communities that do not have the Poonul, so does that mean they are not Kshatriya? "Samanta Kshatriyas" do not have the Poonul, and they too are referred to as Shudra by Nambuthris. The Manusmriti does not say that Upanayanam is the defining factor for Kshatriya status, only that it is one of the rituals for a "twice-born". Kshatriyan 02:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Samantha Kshatriyas are not Malayala Kshatriyas and they are merely mentioned in the article because of their claim as being so...The said references mention the term "Malayala Kshatriyas" and even give a list of families that belong to that caste..Everything cannot be expected to be found on an internet search...kindly read good books before making concluding statements on the topic...i would suggest to u the Travancore Manuals and the History of Travancore by Shungoony Menon...the Census Reports of Travancore mention the Malayala Kshatriyas as a group as also refer to the Kshatriya Act, Nayar Act etc of the Travancore govt which are described in the Travancore State Manual Vol.4 by Velu Pillai...Kshatriyan, we are not taking into consideration the Nairs because when the caste system was in force irrespective of their vocation they were considered Sudras...although modern education and general view will class them as Malayala Kshatriyas the term was traditionally reserved for the poonol wearing Varmas...Also i dont understand how we, sitting here in this age, can interpret things of the past that were interpreted differently then...the manusmriti says so many things contrary to the things most of the Kerala upper castes did..so i would call research of old times with a modern view wrong when it comes to article like this because these things dont exist today and so we must present them as they did exist ages back..u will notice how the ezhava article doesnt mention once that the ezhavas were freed from slavery only sometime in 1810-1815 before which they were bonded labour...thus many things get overlooked when we try to look at the topic from the present scenario..Manu

Malayala Kshatriyas - the truth

The family names are either of the perumbadappu swaproopam or Venad swaroopam only. However the Kolathiris (Mooshika vamsham) are the first even before Venad swaroopam to become "Kshatriyas". Hiranya garbham was performed by Kolathiri udayavarman in 1617 AD with the aid of Tulu brahmins. It was later when the Venad swaroopam also got the same fancy of becoming "Kshatriya" that later the then Travancore Raja brought 185 of these Saagara families to Thiruvalla to perform HiranyaGarbham for him. (These preists are generally called Thiruvalladesi Embraanthiris).So if you want to consider perumbadappu and Venad as Malayala kshatriyas, the Kolathiris (Mooshika vamsham) has an equal if not a better claim to the kshatriya status.So is the case with every poonol wearing swaroopam of Kerala which includes Samoothiri of the Nediyiruppu swaroopam also

Reference

Hindu Kingship and the Origin of Community: Religion, State and Society in Kerala, 1750-1850 Susan Bayly Modern Asian Studies, Vol. 18, No. 2 (1984), pp. 177-213

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.99.165.173 (talk) 17:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 

[edit] Rename article

The article should be renamed "Samantha Kshatriya" which is what the Rajahs were.Jammedfly (talk) 05:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)