Talk:Malay race
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To Caniago, this simply revolves around Blumenbach's outdated and racially offensive classification. I propose you remove this article completely. I believe you created this article as an over reaction to my simple arguments on the Malays (ethnic group) discussion. All I am after is an intelligent and modern classification that covers the biologically, racially, antrhopologically and linguistically related groups of people that live in the South East Asian Archipelago - the Malays, Indonesians and Filipinos.
As you yourself have pointed out, the term Malay Race is outdated and redundant, so why have you even bothered to create this article, except to rile and provoke people?
There is no need for promoting and highlighting this classification as it is adequately covered under the Blumenbach article. I am now endevouring to report you to the Administrators.FRM SYD 15:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
- How is it different to Caucasian race. I'm tired of your threats. (Caniago 15:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC))
- FRM SYD, how is this article any different to what you are proposing for Malays (ethnic group)? I can't see any difference. The lead sums up the intent of the article perfectly. Perhaps rather wokring yourself up into outrage and threatening editors, maybe you could provide us with your own references. The problem is no-one has offered a reliable source that supports intelligent and modern classification that covers the biologically, racially, antrhopologically and linguistically related groups of people that live in the South East Asian Archipelago - the Malays, Indonesians and Filipinos. regards Merbabu 01:03, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with what Merbabu had stated. So there is no need to threat Caniago for his contribution to the "Malays" articles - as we can see, he had clearly distinguish this article of what the great majority people in the past have considered as "Malay race", as written by theorists/academics, from Malays (ethnic group) using the disambiguation page and the best possible references and analysis to make the articles non-biased. --Fantastic4boy 07:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe there should be a reference name for racial stock of people that are the majority of Malaysia,Philippines and Indonesia. I dont know what word but the word that most people will go to, is Malay. Even though in these countrys, the word "Malay" may mean something different. It is obvious that these (Austronesian) people are very similar by blood, and i dont know why other Filipinos would rather be just classed as Asians alongside others (Chinese,Japanese,Indians) that have very little to no cultural or racial relation to us at all. There needs to be an official word/name or else Filipinos are gonna be called Malays, Malays from Malaysia are gonna be mistaken for Filipinos as they already are, and same goes for Indonesians.--Jandela 08:58, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
the article seems similar to the article Austronesian people. maybe merge? eg: "Austronesian people, or sometimes referred to informally (controversially?) as the Malay race...." i think the term has caused a lot of confusion especially in Malaysia and Indonesia. in M'sia theres the Malay ethnics, and Malay as defined by constitution. some malays wanting to preserve Malay ethnicity. some malays want to unite all "malays". some indonesians i come across dislike to be classified as part of the Malay race, but recognise existense of the ethnic group. while phils recognise most indigenous ppls as Malays. too much variations it seems. kawaputra 10:50, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- It would be wrong to merge. The terms and concepts are distinct. (Caniago 14:18, 17 March 2007 (UTC))
FRM SYD said that people would be offended by this.... well i am certainly NOT offended by this because we can't like re- write history so the whole article is just here to inform people about old terms we used to catagorise people under, also he says there shouldn't be an article for an outdated and redundant thing or name... well then we would have to deleted lot of articles because alot of them are about outdated terms, and outdated names for countries etc.
- Well personally, as a Filipino, I'm offended by the very notion that I am considered Malay (I'm not from Malaysia!). I'm also part white and I don't like to be refered to as "Caucasian" (I'm not from Caucasia!) But this is Wikipedia, and it doesn't matter what I feel. What matters is that this article is about a verifiable subject. And the Malay race (which is different than the Malay ethnic group) is a subject that deserves mention on Wikipedia. Not many people know how Malay came to be and this article does a good job in informing people of that. --Chris S. 02:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
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- I also is a Filipino, I'm not offended by the notion because I know that I AM A MALAY! historicaly, Because we all live in a place called Malay Archipelago. Whatever the name of our ancestors was, we Malaysians, Indo, Fils are Malay! We are just Malay's that have been conquered by different colonizers that created divisions, Spain to Philippines, Britain to Malaysia, and Dutch to Indonesians. I understand that Chriss mistakenly not know the difference between Malaysian and Malay, just because their spellings are related, If I were called a Malay, it does not mean I'm a Malaysian, It means I belong to the Malay race as a whole. Malaysia just adopted it's name because of it's roots as it's geographic location suggests. - Twentius 12:24, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
