Talk:Malankara Church
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[edit] Portal
This is featured on the Indian Christianity Portal and needs to be brought to GA ASAP. Who can help with in-line citaions? Anybody? -- Secisek (talk) 07:49, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Establishment by St. Thomas
I'm glad that someone has taken the pains to get a DYK out of this page, but I'm not sure of the factuality of the sentence. The claim that Christianity was introduced in India by St.
Thomas is noting short of controversial. It is only based on certain writings and folklore that the claim is made. Hence, statements such as The history of Indian Christianity hence started 15 centuries even before the arrival of European missionaries in India and ..where Thomas the Apostle first landed in Kerala in 52 AD should be removed, and the distinction between fact and tradition needs to more clearly defined within the article.--thunderboltz(TALK) 16:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Dear Deepu , Just because some people don't agree, doesnt mean that St. Thomas didn't come to India. Please read Malankara_Church#References_to_St.Thomas_christian_tradition for all the reliable and factual evidences. Most of the historians (all over the world) except a very few agrees to the fact that St. Thomas established the church in India. You will have depend on possibly available sources of information and evidences for a fact as old as 2000 years. You cannot deny the presence of a multi million strong presence of Saint Thomas Christians in India.
It is also accepted by the Govt of India and the Archaeological Dept of India. Do you have any arguments ( proofs ) denying the St. Thomas in India??
This pic is the stamp issued by Government of India in remembering the 1900 years anniversary of the arrival of St. Thomas in India. -- ₮inucherian (Talk) - 06:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
The arrival of St. Thomas in Kerala, India is a question that interested me also. Neither Thomas nor his contemporaries have written about such a visit.
- Arrival of St. Thomas. At present we have only very strong circumstantial evidences for this event. Compared to other disciples of Jesus Christ there are more evidences about Thomas and his work. Hope the present archeological excavations by Kerala Council of Historical Research (I am a member of KCHR) at Pattanam (ancient Muziris near Kodungalloor, Kerala) will throw more light on this subject.
- Landed in Kerala in 52 AD. This seems to be only an assumption. It is believed that the Apostles met together in Jerusalem in AD 50 (Ref:Acts 15). So it can be argued that Thomas reached Kerala after two years. During the early first century, it took more than one and a half years to reach Muziris. There is another problem with AD 52. Years were specified as BC and AD only in 11 or 12 century. So this calculation of AD 52 might have happened only after the 12 century.
- There are so many legends about St. Thomas which seems to have first appeared around 1600. These legends lead the true facts into obscurity.
- Historians (all over the world) except a very few agrees to the fact that St. Thomas established the church in India. That is true. But are they based on real research work or just copies of what others have written? There are hundreds of books written by non-Indians about India. A few of these writers might have been tourists who spent a day or two in India. Are they reliable?
- Picture of St. Thomas on a stamp. – It is only an artists assumption. That might be a picture given by some influential people. Also there are pictures of St.Thomas holding a printed book in his left hand. Some people believe that these are true. It is better to leave them there.
Neduvelilmathew (talk) 01:19, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Two same articles
I think two articles created with almost same contents. Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church looks almost same as Malankara chuch? What about merging? --Avinesh Jose T 07:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- Hi Avinesh , You definitely have no idea about the History of Christianity in India. Malankara Church is the original church established by St. Thomas in India. It was undivided until 15th century - later it become different denominations Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church,Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church,Malankara Catholic Syrian Church,Syro-Malabar Catholic Church etc during the course of history. -- ₮inucherian (Talk) - 09:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Sorry I am not interested to learn Kerala hostory from you. However, My concern is about Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church and this article. These two articles are created with point of view issues. That is the reason why I seeked other editors opinion. If two article has same contents, it should be merged. Also, thanks for your smiling at my page. --Avinesh Jose T 03:45, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Avinesh, If you are planning to merge these two together please leave out Mar Thoma Church completely from it, because (1) the history of Mar Thoma Church is different from that of Indian (Malankara) Orthodox Church from 1889. (2) their present bishops are not the bishops of Mar Thoma church. What is the aim of this merging? Neduvelilmathew (talk) 14:03, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
- The reason for this merger proposal is POV Push ( Only Orthodox church to have the legacy of the Malankara Church) and Bad Faith -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 05:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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- Hi, listen, I've not yet started the process (of merging). I need to know whether I am correct/confused with these two articles. I request more editors to have a look on these two articles and leave your comments here. --Avinesh Jose T 04:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
