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Contents 1 Point of view 2 Merge 3 Bias 4 What should we do with this? 5 "Makhnovism" is a non-neutral bolshevik-stalinist word

[edit] Point of view

This article lacks a neutral point of view on several counts.

1. The title "Ukrainian Revolution" and scope as described in the article are misleading: Makhnovism constituted one small part of the Russian Revolution in Ukraine
2. The article unabashedly chooses sides, holding up Makhno and his anarchists as good and other factions as evil
3. Facts which reflect poorly on Makhno are left out, for example the attacks against Mennonites
4. The writing colourfully glorifies Makhno

This should be moved to Makhnovism, and probably rewritten from scratch. —Michael Z. 2006-09-09 18:21 Z

Article moved. —Michael Z. 2006-09-09 18:30 Z

I restored the NPOV and unsourced tags, which were removed without any discussion. Political writings of participants in the period are not acceptable neutral sources. Specific facts mentioned in the article need inline citations of supporting literature.  —Michael Z. 2006-10-24 20:01 Z

[edit] Merge

The article Ukrainian Revolution of 1918 is a copy-paste fork of this one, losing the entire edit history. It should be merged back into this one. —Michael Z. 2006-10-24 20:06 Z

there is nothing to merge, that article should be deleted. I will 1) blank it to a redirect, 2) prod the redirect. --Irpen 20:23, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

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1. Ukrainian Revolution is Ukrainian Revolution. Russian Revolution is not Ukrainian Revolution. You are a Russian. Most of Russians are (little bit) patriots and will be NEVER neutral about Ukrainians, Poles or anarchists because Ukrainians (Maknovists, Petliuravists) were enemies and anarchists don't like Russian Empire or Russian Federation, the prison of peoples. Russians learned in school that Makhno wasn't revolutionary but white guardist. You can be neutral about Belgium or Denmark for example but not about Ukraine. So stop destroying articles about Ukrainian anarchists.--Maliuta 23:06, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

2. Makhnovism is an anarchist ideology or theory, not events or revolution or war!--Maliuta 23:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The article "Makhnovism" is a copy of "Ukrainian Revolution", not vice versa!--Maliuta 23:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Replied at talk:Ukrainian Revolution. Please discuss at one place and don't post same stuff to a multitude of pages. --Irpen 23:35, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

This article is nothing but POV propaganda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.198.67 (talk • contribs) 04:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

++but i dig it :) ~FS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.96.118.36 (talk • contribs) 03:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Rubbish
This topic is certainly an important one. But the article is nothing but rubbish. Should be rewritten from scratch.

sk 07:30, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

-Agreed, this is POV to the point of being ridiculous. I tried to edit out some of it but I'd rather just leave the rest in the hands of someone more knowledgable (and objective) of these circumstances and events. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.129.166 (talk • contribs) 00:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

NPOV
Please keep it unbiased, this isn't the cold war where we can diss the evil "bolsheviks".

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.157.7 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What should we do with this?

I suggest:

• Merge the sections about Makhno himself into Nestor Makhno.
• Merge the sections about military events into Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine.
• There is virtually nothing about social/economic matters. If there were, I'd suggest merging them into Free Territory (Ukraine).
• After moving everything out, I'd suggest redirecting this to Nestor Makhno.

Any better ideas? Jacob Haller 20:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• On second thought, we could move all the material here into Nestor Makhno and RIAU, delete this page, and move Free Territory (Ukraine) to Makhnovism. Jacob Haller 20:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Makhnovism" is a non-neutral bolshevik-stalinist word

Vice versa: Makhnovism is a fork of Ukrainian Revolution. This is because in Soviet historigraphy Nestor Makno is a bad guy and a "white guardian" and the Ukrainian Revolution doesn't exist, but only a "makhnovism"!!! This is sick.--62.65.226.6 (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

The title is a different issue. Look at the edit histories of the two articles—the other was cut-and-pasted from this one by a new editor who wasn't aware of Wikipedia's procedures. The correct way to deal with this is to delete the fork, and formally propose a change for the title in this one. —Michael Z. 2008-05-05 15:52 z

By the way, Ukrainian Revolution certainly exists, but mainstream historians apply it differently than you do. —Michael Z. 2008-05-05 15:56 z