Talk:Make Poverty History
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[edit] The USA
Why isn't the USA taking part in this?
- The global campaign umbrella in USA is http://www.one.org/. I don't think there is as much publicity in USA about the campaign as there is here. --Gareth Hughes 17:03, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
- What is the relationship between The One Campaign and the other groups? --Gbleem 00:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of groups
I have moved the list of UK members to here --> Member organisations of Make Poverty History (UK) because it is huge (well done MPH for achiving such a big list) and thus monopolised the article. --JK the unwise 14:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Nice one - i thought it'd been deleted for a second! Hopefully I can get some photos of the Edinburgh march up here as and when. (ricjl 09:47, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC))
[edit] Skeptics
User:SqueakBox: writing stuff like...
A new concert called Live 8 is planned close to the anniversary of the original concerts to draw public attention back to issues of poverty in Africa, 'as well as focussing on the rich, white pop stars who see Making Poverty History as a way to promote their careers.
...is ridiculously un-NPoV. I don't care how cynacle/skeptical people are of this campaign, show some maturity. That kind of thing can go in criticism - and in the Live 8 article, not here. (ricjl 00:27, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC))
- That's sounds rough... completely slanted. --Madchester June 30, 2005 05:01 (UTC)
- Most of the Live 8 singers are already super-famous, at least in the Hyde Park concert I saw. r3m0t talk July 3, 2005 11:59 (UTC)
[edit] Aid criticism
From the article:
- Aid is often structured to help the first world governments giving the aid more than the countries in receipt of it,
Accepted...
- while the power to change things in these societies is given to western educated people who know nothing about the countries they are meddling in, and often instigate inappropriate ideas that tend to increase rather than decrease levels of suffering.
...what? Can anybody give an example? r3m0t talk July 3, 2005 11:59 (UTC)
have a read of this
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/dev/printable/1662/
[edit] Photos
I don't want to break anyone's hearts but I think perhaps we could lose the 'St Columba's United Reformed Church, Oxford' and 'Radcliffe Camera, Oxford, 8 June 2005' photos.
I've got this photo of the edinburgh march which I'll put up in there place unless anyone disagrees.
(ricjl 3 July 2005 22:30 (UTC))
The photo of "Tony Robinson at the Manchester launch rally." is pretty poor, I can't see anything but the back of som 100 peoples heads, and cannot find T. Robinson anywhere. demo July 4, 2005 12:09 (UTC)
- I agree, I've deleted all three now. They were okay photos but I didn't they met up to the magnitude of this article. I'll stick them here for the sake of continued debate.
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- Manchester launch rally photo deleted from WikiCommons by request from uploader
[edit] G8
We need a section about reaction to the G8 comunique. (ricjl 02:36, 11 July 2005 (UTC))
[edit] New userbox template
I've created a new template for the Make Poverty History/ONE campaigns. (User:1ne/Userboxes/User MPH-ONE) Enjoy. --Madchester 20:19, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Live 8
I have changed the priority of events on 2 July: the march was more important, and was the original aim of MPH: Live8 came along so that pop stars could jump on the bandwagon as it were.Boleslaw 00:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC) DB
[edit] Merge
I suggested that End Poverty Now should be merged to this article because it began as an offshoot of the campaign. I don't think it's prominent enough to have its own article yet, but maybe sometime later it can be split if the section gets too big. Thoughts? Phydend 02:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This merger has been incorrectly done. While the French version of the Make Poverty history campaign is known as Abolissons La Pauvrété (which, incidentally, literally translates to 'end poverty now'), the English version of the campaign is NOT called End Poverty Now. Put differently, the Canadian arm of the Make Poverty History campaign and the NGO known officially as End Poverty Now are completely distinct entities. The former is a campaign of collective organizations and individuals; the latter is a stand-alone organization that, while it remains affiliated with the campaign, was created independently by a small grouping of the MPH campaign's member base. In the article, everything that appears below the bulleted list is pertinent only to End Poverty Now.
[edit] Removed youtube links
There were 4 youtube links in this article, one of which was a dead link, the other 3 which didn't appear to have anything to do with this topic, I've removed them all. --Xyzzyplugh 12:56, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] lobbying against the G8 vs. making the G8 do something
this article is confused. it mistakes those people who believe that the G8 should not exist (because it is an anti-democratic policy laundering body which imposes policies debated behind closed doors) with the MakePovertyHistory and LiveAid body which lobbied the G8 to do something about poverty without criticism of the other policies or nature of the G8.
The context of this is that there have always been massive protests against the G8 and the process of demonstrations meant that the government could marginalise dissent and claim that these protests were in favour of government action. It's a classic disinformation technique which was sponsored by government funded bodies. Let's be clear about this. Not all protests had anything to do with the nebulous and pointlesss MPH/ LiveAid bandwagon...which achieved nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.157.32.16 (talk) 22:00, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] ONE section
"at least 0.3% of the national budget, around US$30 billion, to foreign aid, and increase it further to the UN goal of 0.7% of GDP, around US$73 billion as of 2004,"
Above implies the US budget is about the same as US GDP, clearly wrong. Bush's proposed fy2008 budget is ~$2.9 trillion, around 20% of GDP. US budget history (pdf) I think the UN goal was 0.7% of GNP, no good source, and the ONE aid goal seems to be "an additional 1% of the federal budget" for "International Affairs", which they say is already 1.2% of the budget. I think the $30B is right, but the 0.3%, 0.7% and $73B don't make sense; maybe it's best to leave the details to the main ONE Campaign page? -69.235.194.235 (talk) 12:20, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
- A more specific goal is to get President George W. Bush to commit at least 0.3% of the national budget, around US$30 billion, to foreign aid, and increase it further to the UN goal of 0.7% of GDP, around US$73 billion as of 2004, over the next several years. In 2004, the United States Government spent US$7 billion on foreign aid.
- I've removed the above, since the wrong numbers in the first sentence look bad, but I don't know enough to correct them; the second sentence may be fine for all I know, but seems a non-sequitur without the first. -69.235.194.235 (talk) 12:32, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
