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Contents 1 Inaccurate naming 2 Final Area 3 Twilight Princess 4 Removals, references, and stuff 5 Survive for a sequel? 6 Boss sections 7 Spoiler Alert 8 Manga stuff 9 Question 10 Majora's Mask... Again 11 Midna's Mask 12 Requested move 12.1 Survey 12.1.1 Survey - Support votes 12.1.2 Survey - Oppose votes 12.2 Discussion 13 So

[edit] Inaccurate naming

Majora is not a character in the Zelda series, this article should be called "Majora's Mask (mask)" or something along those lines. Majora isn't even an actual person as far as we know, since the mask was "created by a long-forgotten race", as the article says. Since the only form it ever appears in in the game is Majora's Mask, I think this should probably be moved. --Impossible 11:12, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• Agreed, kind of. When typing the article's story sections, I found it hard to refer to the Mask as simply "Majora"; in fact I even typed in the infobox "Majora's Mask". But, you'll see that the last bosses are named "Majora's [Whatever]", and thus I think we can safely assume there is a something known as Majora, be it the ancient race that made it or a different entity trapped in the Mask. So... huh. If you want to change the article's name go ahead, I don't mind at all ;) --User:Revoish 07:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Then I think any references to the entity "Majora" should be removed altogether, because we don't know who or what Majora was. Yes, it existed in some form, but it's not a character in the Zelda series. The Mask is, and officially it was created by an ancient race. Even the non-canonical manga explanation suggests that Majora does not reside within the mask. I think I'll move the article, too. --Impossible 02:43, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, come to think of it, I'm not entirely sure what the proper name would be. Majora's Mask (item), Majora's Mask (mask), Majora's Mask (character), or something else like that? --Impossible 02:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• Mhmmm... I just remembered there IS a part of the game that calls the antagonist "Majora"[1]... so it was created by an "ancient tribe" or whatever, but in that text it's clear that Majora is meant to be whatever resides inside the Mask. Soooo I'm not that sure about renaming the article now, since the game does refers to it as Majora =P. --User:Revoish 06:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

In the manga, Majora was a demon who was sealed inside a mask, making "Majora's Mask". Although I must point out, the manga is non-canon... DarkLink Metroid 01:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, the manga are just dellusions from the authors... I mean, their explanation of how the Mask was made makes no sense when held up with a) the game and b) the own demon explanation... but, the game refers to an entity inside the Mask, be it a demon or not... --User:Revoish 06:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• I'd like to see the article come back, so come on, let's just change it to Majora's Mask (character), and put a link up on the LoZ: Majora's Mask article, and then everybody wins. I still think it's stupid to take it down over something as trivial as calling it Majora/Majora's Mask.

Whether we have seen this "Majora" or not, there is no doubt that some sort of entity known as Majora exists. i.e.: Majora's Mask, Majora's Incarnation, Majora's Wrath. All of those things belong to Majora, so Majora it is. Dementus 13:18, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's time for the ZOMGZ TOPIC REVIVAL thingamajig. The article needs to be changed to Majora's mask, as that is what it was called in the game, and the only instance where the name "Majora" was used without the mask was the final fight, in which it transformed into those forms. Those forms can't be used to call it Majora on account that Majora's Mask transformed into them, and the nature of what these transformations even are is completely unknown, and unimportant. We need to move it to Majora's Mask, as the names of transformations such as these shouldn't affect it's name. Majora's Mask's Incarnation would be pretty ridiculous, wouldn't you say? There is no knowledge as to whether or not a diety known as Majora actually exists (just as much as other religious figures), and thus, due to lack of actual reason, it should be named "Majora's Mask" with the forms being listed as transformations. Agree, disagree? -Chao9999 09:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears that nobody cares/ is here to further this conversation, so I'm going to see if I can find out about moving it. -Chao9999 04:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, since there is obviously a mind or some kind of sentience within that mask, it is obviously a character. Also, I agree with the fact that at least at some point (I'll need to look it up) Majora is reffered to. Since Majora's Mask (Mask) gives the impression of some inanimate object, I'd have to say we should either leave it "Majora" or "Majora's Mask (Character)" Personally I say we should just leave it at "Majora" in order to entail its character status. -Lord Zymeth 12/30/06

• Majora. See [2] --User:Revoish 07:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

It seems more like it refers to the god that the Mask salesman spoke of than the Mask itself. Plus, that's the ONLY time it's referred to as Majora, otherwise it's always "Majora's Mask". -Chao9999 01:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Yes but I dunno, maybe Majora is the thing that makes the Mask have a mind? If it was just a Mask with random powers it wouldn't be a character. It is a character because it has this god/devil on it. And if that's Majora, then maybe the article should be named that way - I mean, in the end final boss is not named "Majora's Mask"... it's Majora's WRATH! =) --User:Revoish 04:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The mask is a character, that is for certain, but it is ALWAYS referenced as Majora's Mask, but only referred to as Majora in ONE spot, which is NO REASON AT ALL to refer to it as Majora, it might have been developer oversight for all you know. Transformations should not influence a character name, and besides. The happy mask salesman constantly referred to it along with the cult, that was HEAVILY implying that the cult worshipped a diety with the name Majora. Look, they used it WITH hexes and curses, it doesn't make sense to use only three incarnations of the word Majora against the constantly used Majora's Mask. Majora is fanon, plain and simple. -Chao9999 04:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

As the screenshot shows, it's not ALWAYS referenced as Majora's Mask (just Majora). As the final battles show, it's not ALWAYS referenced as Majora's Mask (Majora's Incarnation and Majora's Wrath, Wrath of Majora, as in Majora being the one that has wrath). It's not a matter of "transformations", it's a matter of the character in question being named Majora. Nobody calls the character "Majora's Mask", they call the mask Majora's Mask.

The Salesman didn't "constantly referred to it along with the cult", he did it once, and in the ending he says that the devil left the Mask. That's it, and Majora's most likely that devil.

"It might have been developed oversight"? C'mon dude, all versions have the same translation. Majora isn't not "fanon, plain and simple", Majora is the name of the character, Majora's Mask is the mask it's trapped in or whatever.

Also, this is just a videogame character man, and from a videogame that doesn't explain all that much its story. Relax. --User:Revoish 05:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

As I said before, besides that ONE instance, it's ALWAYS referred to as Majora's MASK. Even in SSBM it's trophie calls it Majora's Mask, not Majora. Developer oversight happens with translations ALL THE TIME. Heck, look at Megaman X6, those translators should be FIRED. You can't name a character Majora if Majora is only used three times whilst all other times it is Majora's Mask. You need more proof than two transformations (which shouldn't mean anything in character name), and one stated instance. That instance coulda been developer oversight, mistranslation, sentance fitting, or even reference to a character known AS Majora. -Chao9999 23:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I don't qualify "it's a secret to everybody" as official. Scepia 00:11, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

• As I said before, besides that ONE instance, it's ALWAYS referred to as Majora's MASK.

Yes, if that "it" is "the mask". I played this game four years ago, but I'm pretty sure that that "always" is "about four times counting when the Mask Salesman asks you if you got his mask bask". Check the text dump:

"The mask that was stolen from

me...

It is called Majora's Mask."

"the troubles caused by Majora's

Mask were so great..."

"Were you able to get Majora's

Mask back?"

"You'll do fine. Surely you will be

able to recover Majora's Mask."

"You'll be fine. Surely

you should be able to

recover Majora's Mask."

That's it, those are the ONLY TIMES in the whole game they say "Majora's Mask". And the only time the Mask Salesman (the only one who talks about it) seems to kind of refer to it as a character is when he talks about the troubles caused by the Mask. Only it still sounds like his talking about the mask.

There's a difference between "an object" and "a character"; imagine the Lord of the Rings called The One Ring "Sauron's Ring", and that, aside from its powers, Sauron used it to talk to others. Would that make the Ring a "a character"? "Majora's Mask" is the Mask of Majora. The game (whether you approve of it or not) calls the antagonist simply Majora, once. And calls a mask a character lost Majora's Mask, five times.

"or even reference to a character known AS Majora." As in, the thing-with-intelligence-inside-the-mask. It is that character, Majora, that uses the mask to act up. Otherwise, as seen in the ending, it's just a Mask. Kill Majora, and it's not evil anymore.

Oh, and even if you still want to argue about "known as Majora in fanon" etc, please remove the "fake moon" bit, already proved it's not truth, and add whatever reference you want for the Majora's Mage bit, since having a videogame article on Articles with unsourced statements is just... sad. =P --Revoish 06:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't matter as to HOW they reference it, they directly referenced it as Majora's Mask, and it is only once POSSIBLY referenced as Majora. It needs to be moved to either "Majora's Mask" or "Majora's Mask (Character)". If the former, we'll have a little text saying "this article is about the character Majora's Mask, for the Game, see __". -Chao9999 23:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Final Area

This comment is in regards to this section of text:

The entity, Majora, itself seems deeply disturbed, such examples include the interior of the moon and its surreal environment (or the final battleground) and its choice of children as its manifestation inside the moon.

The only thing that really opposes this opinion is that the mask had already stopped possessing the Skull Kid by this point. Nonetheless, I saw it as the the crazy green field relating to the mind of the mask's most recent user, while the final battleground related to the mask itself.

• I too tend to think the insides of the Moon were a little too Le Petit Prince because of Skull Kid's mind. I see it like this: while the Mask controlled Skull Kid, it sent him with his wishes to the Moon, with friends and stuff. Although 'tortured' by the fact that they were still not playing with him?

So yeah, what you said makes a lot of sense, buuuuut... it's still the Mask's doing. The kids, regardless of its "inspiration", are there because of the Mask's choice of making them appear, even if it's to torture the poor bastard, and you're right, the Mask is off by itself by the final battle (and the final battleground has nothing to do with Skull Kid). So I dunno... wanna change that? I think if we did it'd be a little too theorish (though that isn't necessarily bad, seeing how by itself, the description of the Moon is as WTFing as it is in-game). --User:Revoish 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Twilight Princess

I've heard here and there that Majora's Mask may have something to do with Midna in TP, since her left eye shares the same design as Majora's. Anyone else heard anything like that, or have any news about it?

• In an old version of the article somebody added it, but since Wikipedia is not a gipsy carnival stand and other than the eye design that could just be a vague reference or whatever there's no real proof, it got removed. I guess you'll just have to wait until Twilight Princess is released? --User:Revoish 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

By the way -- if you're wondering, no relation with Midna at all. --User:Revoish 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removals, references, and stuff

"The skull kid tried to keep his mind off it them by induldging himself in malicious michief, but the mask proved too much for him, and eventually, it possessed his mind and will ending with the skull kid being a mere host to the evil spirit within the mask."

Just wanted to say I removed that because... by the beginning of the game (which is the period of time that paragraph is referring to) Skull Kid does take off the Mask and seems to still be "himself", not just a host. Also, I removed some other bits that just dragged on about Link's quest (since this is about the Mask, not Link).

I took the liberty to overwrite Image:Majora_mask.jpg because it was a bit too big, and the right needle of the Mask was incomplete for some reason.

Also, where does the HP come from? Do you calculate it measuring in... what exactly? =S And does it really need to be in the title? It looks kinda tacky, I mean it could be in the paragraph or something.

And finally, I added a reference list, so far with just one entry. If you have something to put in the article that came from another site, then use the reference tag (<ref>, the link, and </ref>) to get them more organized. Wohoo! --User:Revoish 03:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survive for a sequel?

Does anyone think Majora could've survived for a sequel? I mean, Ganondorf survived for almost every game! DarkLink Metroid 01:27, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• The Mask Salesman says that the evil has left the Mask or whatever... but who knows! Personally I think (and hope...) it was a one-time event =P, for anti-cliché sakes. It would be like brining Koholint back for another game, really... --User:Revoish 06:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

See Here. It says "But no one is certain that it is gone for good", so... well, with Nintendo, you never know... and they have a knack for avoiding clichés...

But that's just me, a loyal Nintendo fan...DarkLink Metroid 04:28, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Mhmm I know, read that before too =P, but the Salesman does say that evil has left the mask and stuff. So far no side story in Zelda has had a sequel, and I think that's healthy =). Plus what brings me down here is that Majora's Mask was never that popular (OMG NO TRIFORCE, etc.) --User:Revoish 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the Happy Mask Salesman said the evil LEFT the mask. It was not purged, it was not vaporized, it merely left. Who's to say that the evil did not incarnate itself in some entity? Also, Majora is highly manipulative, so there is no way of truly telling whether it really left the mask or is merely dormant. I personally think Majora was a great character idea and it would not be cliché to bring him back so long as it was done tastefully (I have a strong belief that Nintendo could pull off a sequel to Majora's Mask). Stop being Oot fanboys is all I can say; Ganondorf (Admittedly my favorite character) is starting to look like Sigma since he keeps coming back for more. Commander Regulus 00:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

...How is anybody here being an OoT fanboy? I would say regurgitating the game again (as you are suggesting) would ruin what is so far my favorite in the series.KrytenKoro 04:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Boss sections

These need to be corrected, as they sound too much like a game guide.SuperDT 04:07, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe you'll want to remove the indications of how to "easily defeat it" then? I think it's good to describe the way it attacks, since its one of the few things in the game that gives out Majora's actual character. But the tips could go since it does make it look guideish. Not sure if the video links entirely belong there either, maybe as external links if needed at all? --User:Revoish 06:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler Alert

I am really missing a spoiler alert here. Some people just do not want to know how the game ends!

Well, you shouldn't look up an article for Majora if you haven't completed the game yet anyway. That's just common sense! Dementus 13:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are REALLY missing the spoiler alert there, 'cos it has always been there my friend. --User:Revoish 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Manga stuff

Is it true? It reeks of gibberish to me, as the tale, as far as I can tell, is not in a Nintendo style at all. It needs fixings from someone knowledgable. Vitriol 19:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it could be deleted anyway, as there was stuff on it already. NEVR MIND DEN. Vitriol 19:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Uuuuh wait... what are we talking about here? --User:Revoish 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Who is Majora?

Well, Majora is a Mask filled with evil magic. It was the main villain of the game Majora's Mask, and was one of the most powerful Zelda villains. The art at the top of the page depicts it. Tpganon 11/26/06 7:49 PM

No one really knows for sure. It might be a what. Majora is an entity or sorts, a deity I'd say (considering its altar and that it was worshipped in a sort of religious fashion by Termina's ancestors), that grants wishes. But it fills them with suffering. It also likes to dance, play games and make people suffer or die in them for no particular reason other than pleasure. Other than that, nobody but the script writers can really tell. I like to see it as the demon/god of wishes and pleasure, but that's just me =) --User:Revoish 05:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

From what I gather, Majora's a demon, and Majora's Mask was the mask it was sealed into. Seems right, what with the whole Majora's Incarnation/Wrath thing. 72.231.145.5 21:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd call it the demon of spite, as it does spiteful things to everybody, and the Mask man says that the ancient used its power to fulfill their spiteful desires.KrytenKoro 04:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Majora's Mask... Again

See my post in the original topic. Can I move it, I did provide a reasonable explanation. -Chao9999 03:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Due to the lack of anybody even speaking, I'm gonna move it. -Chao9999 06:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, apparently the article "Majora's Mask" is a redirect article. I'd appreciate some help, and in the mean time, I'm going to consult my friend InShanee. -Chao9999 06:43, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• Bit too late, but in case you missed it, the game does refer to Majora as, well, Majora[3]. And the fact that the three final enemies are "Majora's [Whatever]" proves that Majora, as Majora, is something. (Of course what, nobody knows) --User:Revoish 07:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Midna's Mask

Midna's mask looks similar to Majora's Mask (look at the remaining eye piece). Should this be mentioned? 19:08, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

If you look at the discussion, you'll find the answer. No, it shouldn't, there's no reason at all. -Chao9999 08:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

its hard to belive that a cute mask like that is full of evil Sailor cuteness 16:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

...? -Chao9999 03:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

• I think she's talking about Majora's Mask looks? --User:Revoish 07:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

[edit] So

Aww, I remember when I typed most of the article, last year. Good times! It's been a while and it's got quite nice, though I've once again stepped on it:

• Whether an entity named Majora is or was an actual being is widely debated among fans. Regardless, "Majora's" Mask carries obvious intelligence and sentience, regarding its wearers as "puppets."

Majora as something (entity, being, water cooler, whatever) exists, the game refers to it as simply "Majora" once near the end. And of course it carries intelligence - I mean, it's the true antagonist, not just an "artifact" used by the antagonist, right?

• In Clock Town it becomes clear that Majora's Mask has possessed the Moon (later revealed to be a fake)...

It's not a fake, it is the real Moon (in Termina at least?). The characters in the game wonder "what happened to the Moon", talk about the Moon being larger, and if you do the Dawn of A New Day trick, you can look at the sky and see that after the Moon shrinks it doesn't go away, it's still in the sky. If the evil-grin Moon is a "fake", then Termina doesn't have a Moon (which wouldn't be factible considering the observatory dude tells you that for ages the Moon has been a symbol of blablabla).

• Also known as Majora's Mage,[fact]

It's called Majora's Mage in the japanese version, and translated that way in all the european cartridge's translation but the english one (Mago de Majora, Magicien Majora, Majoras Magier). I really don't know how to "source it"; I could link to the pre-US release fan game guides that translated it as 'Mage' (some translations include: Magic Emperor of Majora[4] and Majora's Magic Sorcerer[5]), or to screenshots of the european versions. But that'd look weird. So I'll just remove the fact thing?

And major kudos to whomever added Majora to the fictional mass murderers categories. A+! =) --User:Revoish 07:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can see a moon in the end sequence, is NOT referred to as "Majora" in the ending, and the Mage part still needs to be cited. Just cite it. -Chao9999 01:06, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Do the trick yourself. [6] Look into the sky. It IS there. The moon shrinks, that's all, and even if it didn't it's not a 'fake' - where's the REAL moon then?
• "You got the Fierce Deity's Mask! Could this mask's dark powers be as bad as MAJORA? Try it on with C." [7]
• And where should I link that to? The guides? The screenshots? --User:Revoish 01:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Cite it as a reference, jeez. And anyway, go back to the top of the discussion for number two, no sense in arguing in two spots. And the real moon is shown while the fake is disentegrating. The sky was overcast and you could see some night, in that night is *gasp* the moon. EDIT: Also, [[8]] Go to 3:01.-Chao9999 03:47, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• If you feel it's that important to "cite" a translated name, then do it yourself. I seriously don't feel either (a fan guide or a random screenshot) should be a reference, and "citing" it would mean to type what exactly? What I'd be citing are just two big words on the screen... it just... feels odd.
• Ok, back to the top.
• I just went through the ending again. There are plenty of sky shots in the ending sequence, and NONE of them a) are night time (perhaps except for the Ikana sunset thing?) or b) have the Moon there. By the way, "when the Moon disentegrating you could see some night"? The sky is totally blue in this sequence. The only thing on it is the rainbow-thing the Moon leaves behind and the sun.
• Curse of the Lion Men? Fur balls? The hell? xD --User:Revoish 04:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Just put it up on references (EX: Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask Pal+ Jap NTSC) and then put a cite tag. And I mean while it's still desentegrating, the sky is blue, but gets darker as you look higher, in at least one of the shots, in somewhere along the upper right, you can see a big round circle. -Chao9999 04:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

• Well, can you do the reference thing yourself? And... dude, "gets darker as you look higher"? What? [9] I saw the complete ending half an hour ago, the only big round circle I saw was in the Ikana Valley scene, and that shines too much to be a moon. --User:Revoish 05:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)