Talk:Major and minor
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The second paragraph reads: The minor scale may be considered as the sixth mode of a major scale, or otherwise a variation, such as a major scale with a lowered third, sixth, and seventh. The minor scale may be considered as a variation of the major scale. For instance, the conception of the minor scale being simply a major scale with lowered or altered third, sixth, and seventh scale degrees. The same thing is said twice. zaius 15:38, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Final paragraph - sadder
Any comments on the mystery of minor key music tapping into sadness, grief, bitterness? Is it so, and why so? I'm not looking for a Sunday supplement "brain doctor" explanation.--shtove 00:09, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- There's definitely no scientific basis for it; it's all culturally conditioned -- in former eras the modes were given different interpretations. It can be fun to read ancient Greeks' analyses of why certain modes were happy, sad, or caused youth to misbehave (I seem to remember the Lydian mode was particularly wicked in this regard). Anyway, it's just because composers have been using minor mode for sad songs so we have learned to make the association. —Wahoofive (talk) 00:49, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. There's an article on Lydian mode, but no mention of the misbehaviour of wicked yoofs. The Chinese musicology article describes a different type of scale, and how a switch equivalent to major to minor is made - I wonder does the "culturally conditioned" theory apply to traditional Chinese music too? Is there an article that explains all this, just the way I want, now, immediately? Or any suggestions for a heading to consult in Britannica?--shtove 11:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- WP's music articles are pretty weak. Doctine of affections would be a good example to look up in the New Grove.—Wahoofive (talk) 20:40, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- It would at least be nice to have a mention of the general "trend" that minor songs are more likely to sound "sad" than major - well, I've worded this sentence awfully, but you know what I mean! 86.17.153.55 00:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- WP's music articles are pretty weak. Doctine of affections would be a good example to look up in the New Grove.—Wahoofive (talk) 20:40, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. There's an article on Lydian mode, but no mention of the misbehaviour of wicked yoofs. The Chinese musicology article describes a different type of scale, and how a switch equivalent to major to minor is made - I wonder does the "culturally conditioned" theory apply to traditional Chinese music too? Is there an article that explains all this, just the way I want, now, immediately? Or any suggestions for a heading to consult in Britannica?--shtove 11:57, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Songs being in a major or minor key
If I remember correctly from my music lessons, whether a song was described being in a major and minor key firstly was based on how the song ended, and not necessarily how it began.
- Don't forget to sign your posts with ~~~~. Pretty much true, but be careful, because of the Picardy third. Also, this article isn't necessarily only about keys, but about scales, intervals, and other aspects of music. —Wahoofive (talk) 04:49, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Diatonic and chromatic
The present article is concerned with centrally important concepts and terms in music theory. The terms "chromatic" and "diatonic" are connected to "major" and "minor", but they rarely get proper explanation. They are the cause of serious uncertainties at several Wikipedia articles, and in the broader literature. Some of us thought that both terms needed special coverage, so we started up a new article: Diatonic and chromatic. Why not have a look, and join the discussion? Be ready to have comfortable assumptions challenged! – Noetica♬♩ Talk 00:12, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
