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Reviewed version: July 29, 2006
  • Note: Talk page history prior to June 2006 is at Talk:Buu, which from about May 30, 2006 to about June 10, 2006 is concurrent and mish-mashed with the talk page history here; thus a merge of the talk page histories was not attempted. —Centrx→talk • 06:56, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] "It is fact that x is x strong"

In the listings of Buu's variace forms, it stated that "it is fact that X form is ranked x in terms of power."

Only problem is, it's not fact. I see a number of these listings that are just plain... Wrong. Like Gotenks absorbed Buu being second and Kid Buu being first (Where's Gohan Buu?)

So If no one minds, I've decided to delete these power comparisons.

[edit] Majin Buu Vs. Djinn Boo

Why not move and rename Majin Buu to Djinn Boo? It makes a whole lotta sense for the following reason: Wikipedia Uses English. Technically, he is a djinn, as Viz so wonderfully points out, and his name is derived from "Bibbidy Bobbidy Boo", the song from the classic Disney movie, Cinderella. Toriyama states several times in his manga that he loves Disneyland, and once revealed that he was even inspired by Disney's 101 Dalmations to draw, if I'm not mistaken. Djinn Boo is the name used on the Dragon Ball wikia after all, since it is English of course. Then again, Majin Buu isn't completely wrong here, but it seems its use on the English language Wikipedia is necessary because of the use of common names. Anyone care to share their thoughts? ~I'm anonymous

Viz took many liberities with the names. Veggeto was refered as Vegerot and Buu was Boo. Majin buu is more common, trust me. DBZROCKS 11:55, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I know its more common, but is it the right name? Perhaps, but its not in English as it should be. However, if you're going to go by Japanese-audio English-subtitled anime names, then Majin Buu should suffice. As for Viz taking many liberties with the names, they pointed out other good things like androids #17 and #18 being cyborgs, and Vegetto renamed Vegerot, matching Kakarrot. ~I'm anonymous
If You want to duscuss this go to the WikiProject Dragon Ball talk page it has more traffic than this one. DBZROCKS 20:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
It's been discussed before. // DecaimientoPoético 20:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I see. Let me post a message at the talk page of WikiProject Dragon Ball about something related to this matter. ~I'm anonymous

[edit] Language Rules

This planet is called Earth, not earth. OK? The earth is the gorund, Earth is the planet. OK? Cause names always have a capital letter. OK? So could you not change it please? UltimateNagash 22:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Majuub or Uubu?

Uubu is Majuub's Japanese name. Should we change it? And technically speaking, I think we should only have a brief section on Uub anyway. Although this point is obviously debatable, I think I recall Toriyama stating that Uub was not a form of Buu. And I agree, he isn't. He is another entity all together even though he is a reincarnation of Buu. --MajinVegeta 20:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the section should stay. He is highly related to Buu. DBZROCKS 21:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This page is hereby protected

This page is hereby protected due to edit warring. Please discuss the disputes below, and contact me for unprotection once the dispute has been resolved. Page protection is not an endorsement of the current page version. --Deskana (talk) 02:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Since this page has been protected, both of you (User:I'm anonymous and User:DBZROCKS) have edited other pages but not discussed this. If both of you will not discuss the matter, then I will have to unprotect the page and issue blocks for edit warring instead of page protections. --Deskana (talk) 14:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment - I've had it up to here with DBZROCKS' way of editing articles that I have helpfully contributed to. Many times have I told him to check all edits (including page histories, diffs, etc.) before making potentially controversial edits. He, for some reason, refuses to follow my recent talks and reasons with him regarding this. I shall provide a few diffs as examples:
  1. Vegeta — he wrongly undid all of my other useful edits to the article when all he should have fixed manually was the image, since it appeared he only disagreed with only that
  2. DBZ Earthlings — though we had agreed that I wouldn't persue in changing character names without telling WP:DBZ members, he ridiculously accused me of changing the names of Gyumao and Pu'ar, without even providing a diff that it was me
  3. Shen Long — he accused me of changing all of the spellings of "Shenlong" to "Shen Long" when, in reality, I did so only on that page because it was spelled "Shen Long" on various other articles. At the moment, the only articles I can remember where the saw it spelt "Shen Long" was on Goku and in List of Earthlings in Dragon Ball
  4. Majin Buu (1) — he has reverted my edits after I had explained to him the difference between "villain" and "supervillain"
  5. Majin Buu (2) — he chose to misspell "directly" and wiki-linked "manga" even though I had corrected the spelling and manga was already linked at the top
  6. Majin Buu (3) — I had removed plenty of speculation and original research, tweaked fan-based statements, done major maintenance, including an abundance of redirect corrections to the article; in regards, he blatantly undid everything, when he actually should have done the edits he needed to manually
My whole point in this is that if DBZROCKS continues with only undo revisions, senseless accusations, usual constant reverting to his versions, purposely misspelling words such as "directly" to "directally", I may request comment on him or let administrators handle the situation at WP:AN/I. This has gone too far and he needs to quit these childish actions right now. ~I'm anonymous
Ok Here is my response to these
  1. When was this Vegeta dispute you speak of?
  2. I appologized for this everyone makes mistakes
  3. This happened in the same instance as the above
  4. I changed Villan to Super Villan as you requested.
  5. You did not delete only original research, you also deleted true information

Many of these were in the same instance also you seem to put it as though you made edits that had nothing wrong with them and I just reverted them for no reason. Also when you reverted my edits you instead of going to my talk page and discussing it with me you labeled it as vandalism, most of these were all simple accidents and I am tired of you threatining to report me. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a clear difference between "making human mistakes" and "not paying attention to others and then make the same mistakes". The Vegeta link is explained and given, apologies won't make up for you being ignorant, when I had told you the villain/supervillain thing at first you still chose to oppose (took a while to convince you). What "true information" are you talking about? Provide a diff please because I still have no idea what you're talking about. ~I'm anonymous

Yes but the Super villan thing was resolved, the reason it took a while to "convince me" was because instead of talking we were just reverting each others edits. And also I have been telling you this for the last two days: you deleted the fact that Majin can also mean Demon Person being that "Ma" means demon and "Jin" means person. that is not orginal research. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't see what's so hard about doing what you're asked: see link — dare I ask you to show me again where I removed "true information"? ~I'm anonymous
Fine maybe I misinterpreted somethings however I do think that the title of the 2nd ( I belive it is the second) section on the character history should remain resurface, rensurgance (might of spelled that wrong) sounds slightly odd. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
This is exactly my point; you're being too careless. Don't make up reasons like "I'm human, I make mistakes" after being told various times to check your edits and things. Also, your opinions like "resurgence sounds too odd, keep resurface" is point of view. What matters is the proper term that should be used in the article to sound standard, not your opinion.
  1. Resurface - to give a new surface to. to come to the surface again.
  2. Resurgence - rising or tending to rise again; reviving; renascent.
As see, it is noted that "resurgence" sounds more pratical for the character's case, since Buu was revived a second time (first time was when he was craeted by Bibidi eons). I strongly suggest you use a dictionary from now on to look up what words are encyclopedic. ~I'm anonymous
  1. that is not the only difenition of Resurface

Resurface- arise or become evident again. arise can mean to be revived. Also I would ask that you not treat me as though I was a child. I look up words in dictionaries, in fact I have one right above the computer I am typing this with. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

...to give a new surface to automatically excludes the term Resurface. Another thought, this isn't the Simple English Wikipedia where it should be a word that your typical editor/reader knows. ~I'm anonymous
*Note that I'm using the most recent definition for Resurface not that Webster's Dictionary crap. ~I'm anonymous
I didn't say I was using websters DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Did I? No, I was referencing them as an example because they are usually, if not the most, acclaimed title. Is this dispute over with? Can the page be unlocked and editable now? ~I'm anonymous
Ok ill ask Deskana, but before we do, lets make a truce. Friends? DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 22:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

By truce you should mean, "we will have to discuss whatever edit we're about to Majin Buu and Vegeta? I won't consider you a friend, yet; "friends" listen to each other and not once have you listened to a word I said about checking page histories and diffs before, and I keep repeating this, making potentially controversial edits. You keep making those same noticeable mistakes and always I have to correct you on it. Will you accept that "truce" instead? ~I'm anonymous

by friends I ment that we could start over and try to overcome our differences. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 23:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
How could we "start over" if you won't set right your way of editing articles? ~I'm anonymous
By start over I ment that too. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 23:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
To be honest with you, I have little faith that you'll start listening to my request: you need to prove it from now on that you will change. ~I'm anonymous
In any case I am going to ask Deskana to remove the editing block. PS: How old are you? DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 00:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

PS: Much older and attentive than you are. That much I can guarantee you. ~I'm anonymous

That was a borderline personal attack. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Don't do it again. --Deskana (talk) 01:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Oh, sorry about it. I must always remain calm when in these situations. ~I'm anonymous

You guys are silly :) I will say "resurface" seems the better choice but they're both perfectly acceptable. Resurgence implies ("surge") that something never went anywhere, it just faltered or had some rough times before becoming strong, prominent or successful again. Resurface simply means to come into view after a period of absence. Since Buu was dormant and locked away, unseen by anyone, his return is more akin to "resurfacing" than a "resurgence". "...to give a new surface to automatically excludes the term Resurface." They're two seperate definitions. You can resurface your driveway or countertops or you yourself can resurface after a period of absence. 68.166.70.176 18:05, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What consensus?

You've both asked for the page to be unprotected, but I see no consensus here. In the case that I'm missing something, please detail for me here the consensus you have reached on how the page should be. No arguing, please. --Deskana (talk) 01:20, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

There was nothing accomplished. He refuses to change, especially evident by the lack of plain maturity in his comments, "lets make a truce. Friends?" or "I'm human, I make mistakes". This is going partly nowhere. What I'm saying is that DBZROCKS sort of treats this encyclopedia as if it were the Simple English one — how can I agree and work with someone who continues to act in such a manner? ~I'm anonymous
Not unprotected. If you've not reached a consensus, unprotection won't happen. --Deskana (talk) 01:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough. Question is, how should this be settled? ~I'm anonymous
How do I treat wikipedia as the simple english version? DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 12:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
I've unprotected the page. If you continue edit warring then I'll protect it again and you'll have to get mediation or something. --Deskana (talk) 14:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Making it truly B-class.

It's good enough that it could be a definite B-class with a little work, so...

Could anything be done about some of the lists, such as power-ups and the list of video games that feature the character? Preferably, the latter should just be removed. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

It is now a B class, no worries. Greg Jones II 03:28, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree. Buff Buu is seen for less than a minute combined throughout the entire series - maybe, and yet we need an entire paragraph on his appearances? All of his appearances can be summed up in a plot summary section. Additionally, even the DB project has frowned upon those listy lists of powers. - A Link to the Past (talk) 05:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kid Buu speaking

I have decided to edit the kid buu article as it says he doesn't talk. This isn't the case as he clearly speaks two words in the anime. Daemonic Rite 10:44, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Constant Kid Buu editting

Despite the fact that some people have left warnings not to edit it anymore, people continue to edit Kid Buu's facts, and state that he is the most powerful form of Majin Buu.

This has been proven false time and time again. Kid Buu is in no way, shape or form the most powerful form of Majin Buu. That doesn't make him any less a threatening villian. Overly hyped up Kid Buu fanboys never seem to realise this, and constantly spout out nonsense every time someone changes it back to the way it should be (ie. Kid Buu is not the strongest, but is the most wild, dangerous and unpredictable. People claim that the Kai states that Kid Buu is the strongest, but this is a mistranslation. In the japanese version of the anime and manga, he clearly states he is the most dangerous and not the most powerful. You can't cite information from the english dub of the anime when it so clearly contradicts what is said in it's original form )

Personally, the information on the entire Majin Buu character (including all his forms) is as accurate as it's going to get. (provided someone doesn't change it yet again by the time I finish typing this) Wouldn't it be prudent to make it so you can no longer edit the page? In all honesty, there is nothing more to be added to Majin Buu's page at all. There's a wealth of information there, and virtually everything about him has been covered thouroughly enough.

This constant editting has become something of a war. It never seems to end, and it's completely unnessissary. Please, if possible, make it so the page can no longer be editted. Again, editting is no longer needed at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.245.133.209 (talk) 10:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Well... even if that's what it says in the original text, this is the English wikipedia we're editing. So it should be focused on English (bere in mind I'm an all out fanboy of Kid Buu). That being said, I still don't think Kid Buu is THE strongest but some where up there. So I think we should vote ,or something, and then protect the page. Any one agree? [[User:SxeFluff--SxeFluff (talk) 18:53, 20 November 2007 (UTC)]] 12:58 20, November 2007

[edit] Uub

I see this page, like meny DB articles, has received a make-over. In the result of getting rid of the section about his different forms, Uub is no longer present. Shall I add a little something about him?- Hero 004 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hero 004 (talk • contribs) 00:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

God, c'mon guys. Deleting all his forms? All these DBZ articles have gone to hell. Darkwarriorblake 18:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree everything Dragon Ball Z related is getting smaller this is BULL!@#$. User:Kazi22 16:30 10 December —Preceding comment was added at 00:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

I came on here to find out different info about each Majin Buu, and found they all link to this one page on Majin Buu. Although he is referred to Majin Buu in all the forms, they reference him in the games as different names and in the DVD covers. I'm wondering if we should have them all on the same page or not or seperate them.

Have all of them link up to this page, but have seperate pages about each form. I think it's the right thing to do and I'm willing to do the work for it, but wanted to talk it over here before I get to work on the pages for them.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! (talk) 19:17, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

It's not going to happen. Having all the forms in one place is the only way we can go on this. While it is very nice that you are willing to do the work, this is simply not going to happen. However, try bringing this up on the Dragon Ball Wiki, they would love the idea, but here it will not work. Also if what I say isn't enough, go to the talk page for the Dragon Ball Wikiproject and get a better consensus there. DBZROCKSIts over 9000!!! 21:28, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

All his forms redirecting to the same page is completely useless, it suggests that there is more information for the user to have but it was simply removed and then it was redirected with no one adding the information on the same page. Either remove the redirects or add specificity.76.175.139.58 (talk) 04:20, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I think that without seperating the different forms, you are pretty much saying they are all the same person, which although they have the same body, not all of them have the same personality nor are refeneced that way with the people that sell their products(Super Buu, Kid Buu, Fat Buu). They might all be Majin Buu, but without seperating them, it could confuse people. I'm not asking for a page for each one, keep them all under Majin Buu, but make it so that each section is readable and understanding that it's a different form of Majin Buu.The Cleveland Browns are awesome! (talk) 18:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted "Boo" Edit

The common accepted spelling of Majin Buu's name is "Buu" not "Boo". Therefore, I reverted one of the edits that replaced "Buu" with "Boo". However, if anyone feels "Boo" would be more appropriate, please explain why. MastaFighta (talk) 03:33, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please familiarize yourself with this discussion and WP:DBZ's guidelines and policies before doing any more hasty edits like this. And in case you haven't noticed, the page name is "Majin Boo", not "Majin Buu". WP:DBZ is using names that make the most sense, therefore, Japanese names which translate to English (preferably Steve Simmons' names). If you have an issue, please take it to WT:DBZ. Regards, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
It is you who is doing the vandalism. It is called Buu not Boo. See the offical page [1]. You and KojiDude have ruined whole of dragonball z article by renaming buu to boo.--SkyWalker (talk) 04:49, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
"Boo hoo" (kidding). Anyway, your "offical page" (whatever that means) does not help your case. The official Dragon Ball sites obviously gives English names, most of which we are not using, so your point is moot. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Please stop joking around. What you both are both is vandalism. Ofc this is a english wikipedia and it should be in english names. The official pages is from FUNimation Entertainment. You say that official page means whatever it means?. What ever it called Buu. You dont have any reliable sources to provide it called boo. DO you?. --SkyWalker (talk) 05:31, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
My response. If you don't like the "wrong name", please take it to WT:DBZ like I told you to instead of bantering. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Vandalism is not a change of Wikipedia content on the basis of consensus. Vandalism would be an edit that is intentionally meant to harm the intergrity of a Wikipedia article. Beleive it or not, there are ways to discuss changes with someone that you disagree with, without accusing them of vandalism. Anyway, I am under the assumption that Takuthehedgehog and Sesshomaru had made a decision based on a reliable source (if I'm reading it right, it was the subtitles of the Japanese DVD's, which have been used as a source for naming before). If their source isn't reliable, then you should find something that is before reverting. I'm not critisizing, I'm just saying it's easier to defend your edits if you acheive a reference beforehand. Last thing I'm going to say is that, yes, this is the english Wikipedia, but that doesn't mean we have to Americanize the hell out of it. It's content isn't supposed to be governed by the languege it is written in.--KojiDude (Contributions) 23:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
While I agree with some of the points made on both sides of the issue the main idea of a reference site is to locate information. While I am generally against "Americanizing" cross-cultural ideas, since most people in America are familiar with the "Buu Saga" as it is both listed on the FUNimation website and advertisements, it seems logical to reference it as it is both known and registered. Alternately, I think there should be some evidence from both sides, not including DVDs. I say this because there are many versions of the American subtitled versions that are inconsistent with each other. As for my own opinion, I remember watching the original Japanese on VHS with English subtitles and they spelled it "Buu." Diamondscar (talk) 20:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
If we go by that logic, we'd have to move Freeza Saga to Frieza Saga. However, since Freeza is the current name of the character's page, WP:WPDBZ will be naming the sagas after the characters. Same goes for the "Boo" concept. If you disagree with the Japanese-translated names, do not be afraid to begin a discussion at WT:WPDBZ. Regards, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback. I can appreciate your quest for consistency and I'm glad we can have this discussion in a reasonable manner. I look forward to talking in WT:WPDBZ. I have one more point to make and then I will move over to the other forum: if Uub is the correct spelling for that particular character and he is the opposite (or antithesis) of Buu, doesn't that lend more credence to the spelling of Buu over Boo?Diamondscar (talk) 20:58, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm actually awaiting a response to that one myself. I've spoken with several editors regarding the whole "Uub" VS. "Oob". Here goes one query. Regards, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
If your basing the name off Japanese DVD's why not also compare the American and Japanese videogames and other officially licensed merchandise that give the name. 99.147.27.44 (talk) 15:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
WP:MOS-AM#Article names and disambiguation does not apply for fictional characters. The Viz manga names are just as official as the Funimation ones. The Dragon Ball WikiProject adheres to the former. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually Sesshomaru, you and Koji are correct but for the wrong reasons. The reason we use romaji names is because those are the names used in the translated manga released here in the US, and as most of you should know, this project's articles follow the most accurate interpretation of the series. We base this project primarily on the manga, secondly on Toei's interpretation and any dubs.--UnquestionableTruth-- 17:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that was pretty much my point. The Japanese-language English subtitled anime is about as accurate as we can get. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
nuh-uh, translated manga --UnquestionableTruth-- 17:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
But the manga can be translated by anybody who feels like it. The Anime Subtitles are added my the owning company.--Koji†Dude (C) 17:36, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) - Reason why I say the Japanese anime is best, and of course I'm referring to the Dragon Ball DVDs, it's strictly because those are official and licensed media. I prefer not ever using "translated manga" (unless it's Viz) because they're illegal scanlations. That is all. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:44, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

...No, no, you still aren't getting what I am saying. I am referring to the official translated manga that has been released here in the US and distributed by Viz. The Manga is more accurate than the Anime. Because of this, the official translation of the Manga is more accurate than the subtitled translation of the anime, hence why we use the Manga to format articles by. --UnquestionableTruth-- 18:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Which articles are you referencing? The Dragon Ball ones? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Semi-protection has gone to some people's heads

I realise that this article may have been plagued by vandalism in the past, however some users seem to be under the impression that every minor spelling, grammar or coding mistake must be addressed in the talk pages. A few minutes ago I corrected a small coding error that I noticed in this article, namely:

<ref>The Supreme Kai states that Kid Boo is indeed the original Boo — ''Dragon Ball Z'' manga, volume 26, chapter 314, page 80</ref> and [[List of Earthlings in Dragon Ball#Oob|Oob]] is the pure good, reincarnated version of Kid Boo.<ref>Goku reveals that Oob is indeed the reincarnated form of Boo — ''Dragon Ball Z'' manga, volume 26, chapter 324, pages 224-225</ref>

The <ref> is incorrectly placed, making a part of the text hidden and thus making the rest of the sentence unreadable.

A user took it upon himself to revert my change without actually bothering to read what the change in question actually was. I will now correct the mistake once again (because this counts as posting about it on the talk page) and I urge those reading this to try to read what the small changes actually are when they suspect the article of vandalism. I am not aware of there being a clause in the guidelines stating that every insignificant modified letter must be discussed in the talk pages and deliberated upon until a consensus is reached. I hope that I got through to a few people. Cheers! Reject 666 6 (talk) 02:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:POINT- If you've got another example besides the one revision here, then I'd be glad to see it. Other than that, if you've got a personal problem with someone, blaming everyone doesn't help.--Koji†Dude (C) 02:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- It was just a professional problem, but thank you for being friendly about it. Reject 666 6 (talk) 02:30, 10 June 2008 (UTC)