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This is the 22nd page of my talkpage archives, dated mid-September to late-October 2006. Please do not edit this page. If you wish to leave a message, click here! :)
You should have an open mind, but not so open that your grey matter falls out. (todo list)
You should have an open mind, but not so open that your grey matter falls out. (todo list)


Hi!

Thanks Diablo, well done ;)

--Jack007 18:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Your website

Hi, Just visited you website. It doesn't have any info or links in it. Just a picture. Is anything wrong with it, or is that how you made it. --Ageo020 (talk • contribs • count) 00:03, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Just wanted to send a quick note of thanks for your support in my RfA. :-) I really appreciate it! I always see you around and you have the second coolest admin username on the site (I'm sorry to say that Can't sleep, clown will eat me has you beat). Any story behind it? Best, Irongargoyle 20:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not on GTalk

Can you come on to GTalk if you are free? Thanks. --Terence Ong (T | C) 10:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks from StuffOfInterest

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which finished with a tally of 52/6/1 (~90%). It was an interesting process which gave me a chance to learn a bit about myself and about the community. My intention now is to slowly ease into using those additional buttons on my page. No use being over eager and mucking up the works. The support of all those who went over my record and/or rallied to my defense after the big oppose vote was instumental to the success of this review. Again, thank you! --StuffOfInterest 11:33, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] A note

Please do not feel bad. Life is a flow. --Bhadani 15:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry. You should have kept going it may have succeeded, consensus seems to vary in interpretation these days. I hope you will try again some time Giano 16:48, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


72% is still pretty high and maybe next time you will win. Anomo 21:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seventh Party System

I see that I neglected to mention that the discussion here is on WP:DRV for October 7th. This is not a criticism of your closure as no-consensus; I just did more research than had been done in the AfD. Septentrionalis 20:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stargate Atlantis DVD on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Stargate Atlantis DVD. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Alfakim-- talk 22:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] A favor to ask

Hey. I was hoping I could get some input from you regarding an article I'm bringing up to featured status, since you're dedicated to that sort of thing. The article is Kroger Babb, and it's pretty much as full as it's going to get information-wise, but I'm struggling with a few things: 1) It hasn't gotten much of a proofread from anyone, and I don't trust my own eyes sometimes. 2) Per the peer review, I tried to expand the info on the movie near the top, but it doesn't feel right, but I'm not sure if it's me being overly critical of myself. 3) Any pointers on how to clean up the bottom portion? Anything you can give me on this would be helpful, so thanks in advance whether you can help or not. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Less bull!

This is bizarre, MD. I rarely visit RfA these days (very worthy I'm sure, but terribly boring), but happened to pop by at a time when your nomination was new. Now, after receipt of your sad but delightfully handwritten message, I returned and saw that people had been wittering away about the awfulness of something called "BULL", of which I'd never previously heard. I took a look at it a couple of minutes ago. I can't say I completely agree with it, but it makes an excellent point in a pithy way. I'm sorry I didn't come to the defense of the BULL page a few days earlier. (Incidentally, I'd easily fail the BULL criteria: not their fault, but mine.) And now, let's get back to writing! -- Hoary 11:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear your nomination did not succeed, but you seem to be taking it in good spirits, which is a real credit to you. I wish you great success and I look forward to working with you in the future. Johntex\talk 15:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thank you for supporting my RfA and thanks in particular for understanding my answer to the WP:IAR/WP:SNOW question!

(And please ignore the previous audit trail comment from me here. It was a cut-n-paste error combined with a browser oddity.)

Atlant 16:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been a week now that I've been an administrator and I'd like to take this moment to once again thank everyone who supported my RfA, and to let you all know that I don't think I've screwed anything up yet so I hope I'm living up to everyone's expectations for me. But if I ever fall short of those expectations, I'd certainly welcome folks telling me about it!
Atlant 14:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't worry...

You'll make a good 'crat when the time comes. :) --172.191.129.64 01:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for you note You are welcome. I'd do it again, too.Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 13:54, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I really like it - sorry you didn't make it this time. Is that your handwriting? It's very neat! --kingboyk 10:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ping

I sent you an e-mail a few days ago, and was wondering if you received/read it. —freak(talk) 14:59, Oct. 13, 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daniel Nolan Deleted page

The Daniel Nolan page that was deleted by yourself i think may hhave been wrongly dleted and i am unsure on how to either retrieve the information on the page or to challenge the dleteion. i was in the process of cleaning up articles such as this one and was going to include this article in a wikiproject related to british crime. I was wondering firstly if it is ok to restart the page and request a retieival of the information of the text. Secondly to ask why such few opinions were sort before deletion of the page occured and finally to request that no more pages related to britisgh murdered children be deleted for the time being as i am currently working on them. i have just recently moved house so have had sporadic and low internet access so was unable to challenge the deletion. plese reply to my talk page thanks --Lucy-marie 00:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Invest Sign on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Invest Sign. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

[edit] and one more

The fate of this might be influenced by this; but I'll leave it to you. -- 01:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] and another, too

MD, as a man who likes to close AfDs, you'll love this. (I shouldn't do it myself, because I've been a participant.) -- Hoary 08:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Lazy K on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Talk:Lazy K. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. (The talk page contained deletion discussion; I'm not challenging the deletion of the article. As I'm only asking for the undeletion of some revisions, you'll have to scroll through the page to find the DRv.) --ais523 13:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC) test test

[edit] RfA thanks

Thank you very much for your support in my RfA, which passed on October 17, 2006 with a tally of 53/6/0. I am equally elated and humbled by my new capacity as administrator of Wikipedia, and I send my heartfelt thanks for your unflinching support. If you need me for anything, just ask me! With gratitude, 210physicq (c) 03:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA thanks

Hi, Mailer diablo! Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 75/0/1! I hope I can live up to the standards of adminship, and I will try my best to make Wikipedia a better place. Feel free to send me a message if you need any assistance. :)
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[edit] Thank you

My administratorship candidacy succeeded with a final tally of 81/0/1. I appreciate your support. Results are at Wikipedia:Recently_created_admins#Durova. Warmly, Durova 21:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Undeleted John Nagle

You seemed to delete and then instantly reopened debate. Just curious, did additional evidence on the subject come through? --Jayron32 20:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Understood. From what I can glean from the debate, the guy is a really good guitar player, but his exposure is limited to some Irish coffee houses. Good does not equal notable. FWIW. But I understand that the article is not heavily debated. I too would want more info... --Jayron32 15:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Web operating system

Hi,

You deleted an article named Web operating system. Please undelete it.

I'm frustrated with the total disregard for the actual content of this article. My first drafts lacked citations and was admittedly unverifiable like original research. I noted this and the fact that complete supporting citations were added to the article but to no avail.

The AfD read like a debate of opinions on the subject of a web operating system, with not one negative comment in transparent and constructive words on the article about the web operating system.

Please see for example the note in support in the AfD from User:Uncle_G.

This article does a good job at presenting its subject with copious referances to published work in its field.

Please read the article, and implement Wikipedia Policies. In particular, the AfD discussion is not a vote.

Thanks,

John JohnPritchard 22:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

  • That's probably not the most tactful way of putting things, and not one that is the best way to achieve the desired result, given that the most natural reaction would be a defensive one. Perhaps I can help to mediate here. JohnPritchard appears to be frustrated that xe made extensive changes to the article at the tail end of the AFD discussion, which addressed some points brought up at the start of the discussion, such as the concern expressed by Vectro that the article had no references. Would the option of running the article through AFD again be acceptable to you? Or perhaps (and probably better) moving the article to JohnPritchard's user space to allow xem to do further work towards making a fully sourced, no-original-research, article? Uncle G 14:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)


  • Yes, I agree that I was not completely tactful. So I said I was frustrated. I need a copy of the original last version, it had extensive references and information I need to be able to use -- perhaps into User:JohnPritchard/Web_operating_system_draft. And then I'm very willing to satisfy all suggestions in any process. Including why or how it needs to be modified to be acceptable. Many thanks. JohnPritchard 23:45, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Loke Yew

It's obviously a copyvio, but I cannot tell from where. Do you think we should delete it under A8 anyway? Is this person notable? I am having trouble googling him, but there may be other spellings... Can you work your SG majik? - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio? - CrazyRussian talk/email 14:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Deleted. - CrazyRussian talk/email 15:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RFA/Cynical

Thank you for contributing to my RFA. Unfortunately it failed (final tally 26/17/3). As a result of the concerns raised in my RFA, I intend to undergo coaching, get involved in the welcoming committee and try to further improve the quality of my contributions to AFD and RFA. All the best. Cynical 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Why did you Af'd The WBXO Article?

[edit] Deleted article

Hi,

I think you may have inadvertently deleted the page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rob_Martello

Should this be reinstated or should our league resubmit the entry on Mr Martello?

Thanks,

Mark Lenyszyn Sydney, Australia

[edit] Muchas gracias

Hey Mailer diablo, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 04:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hey Mailer,

I just wanted to thank you for your support in my recent request for adminship, which passed unanimously with a final tally of 38/0/0. I appreciate your trust, and will do my best to uphold it. I'll of course extend the standard offer of assistance whenever you need it, even though I'm talking to the Energizer Bunny of AfD closers. :) — TKD::Talk 05:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Hello Mailer diablo! Thank you for supporting me during my recently concluded RfA, which succeeded with a final tally of 77/2/0. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown. I'm still exploring the new tools, so feel free to tell me of any mistakes I might make. Thanks again!--thunderboltz(Deepu) 10:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Web operating system on deletion review

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[edit] My RFA!

               Mailer diablo, thank you so much for your support for my RfA. I passed with a vote tally of 61/0/1. I am honored that the consensus was to allow me the added privilege of the admin mop. I appreciate your support on my RFA! --plange 23:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Web operating system

Dear MD, it's my best effort following the collected opinion and helped along by Guy, I've merged WebOS with Webtop and Web operating system to try and satisfy everyone's requirements. - JohnPritchard 03:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

MD, would you consider supporting (noting) an overturn on the deletion of Web operating system? - JohnPritchard 01:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jurong Entertainment Centre

Hello there. I've seen you have closed this AfD; since you participated in it (even if only by voting) as well as in other similar AfDs, I am afraid I do not consider your judgement in this particular matter unbiased. As per the deletion review process, I first ask you to reconsider, and reopen the AfD; let it stay there until an uninvolved admin spontaneously closes it. --Nehwyn 18:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at that close versus Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jurong Point Shopping Centre last night, and think that it might be good for you and Sam Blanning(talk) to discuss them as a pair and come up with consistent closes. Because they sure look inconsistent to me. GRBerry 17:58, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
We happen to be two different people, so the fact that they're "inconsistent" should not surprise anyone. However, I don't think Mailer could have closed that one otherwise (though as you say, he may not have wished to) - the inconsistency between the AfDs is the problem, not the inconsistency between Mailer and myself. The article may have the same problems as the one I deleted, but there wasn't a coherent enough case in the AfD to justify deletion, unlike in the one I closed. I see no reason to alter either of our closes - rather the Entertainment Centre might merit relisting at some point, with a more detailed nomination and more participation from editors outside the area the mall serves who can form a genuinely dispassionate opinion on whether the subject meets WP:CORP. --Sam Blanning(talk) 18:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Samuel. I understand. GRBerry 19:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shibaricon

I just noticed your deletion of Shibaricon. How would I get a copy of this article in order to move it to Wipipedia? Having seen the article previously and actually attended the last Shibaricon I know the article was correct, but I don't feel like trying to get the Wikipedia article re-created, I'd just like it to exist somewhere. Thanks! --Pascal666 19:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Thank you

Thanks for voting and commenting for me in my RfA last month. I'll try again as previously planned in the late of spring, and hopefully I'll win it. I sure learned my lesson on a fair use image misplacement!! When I get off Wikibreak I'll start visting xfD everyday. Do you have any tips or suggestions for me? Thanks again, X [Mac Davis] (SUPERDESK|Help me improve) 07:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Experience Networking

I disagree with the deletion of Experience Networking. What is the cause for deletion? Thank you.

[edit] Trying to resolve a "category clutter" problem in the category: Bibliography

Diablo, coming to you since you closed the debate on:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people from San Francisco
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2006 August 3

What I wanted to do was stop these pages from being "categorized" (by inserting ":" after the wiki tagging "[[") and just be linked instead.

The problem seems two-fold:

  • Is it permissable for regular editors to change an archived discussion for this kind of purpose?
  • If so, where is the category code to be found ? (I test edited, to see the structure, and could not find it in either page!)

I suspect this has something to with the way the articles are stored?

BTW, why was it permissable for someone to paste in a whole article into a disscusion? (I'm assuming that's how the "Catgory:Bibliography" got there.)

Thanks for checking --RCEberwein | Talk 16:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

    • D, Thanks for fixing the 1st one (awsomely fast!) , but the 2nd one also needs to be addressed :)
I know Admins are overtaxed by work (I've read quite a few admin talk pages!) but can I also prevail upon you to help me better understand things by answering the questions above also? As a relative newbie I'm trying to do a good job here and need to know what I can/cannot and should/should not do (even though I've probably read more of the documentation than most--several, many times!--I'm not always sure).
And, of course, I'm grateful for your just solving the problem itself. --RCEberwein | Talk 16:41, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 4-4-1 page deletion

Mailer diablo,

I hope this is the right place for this -

You confirmed deletion of the page for the band 4-4-1 today. The deletion was instigated by someone clearly hostile to Christian music (The Crying Orc) and put forth the reason as “notability” and using Wikipedia as a “vanity page.”

Jayron noted discrepencies, which may be from confusing 4-4-1 with another group somewhere in the Midwest with a similar name (an issue we will need to address.)

The 4-4-1 on this page was a band formed in Southern California in the early 80s. 4-4-1 had an important role in early Christian Alternative/New Wave music which included having a number one single on arguably the most significant CCM radio station in the country at the time, KYMS and a #2 single on the national Contemporary Christian Music magazine rock charts in 1985 (the song Mourning Into Dancing). Contemporaries of this band include The Choir, Undercover, Altar Boys, 77s, Adam Again and Daniel Amos, all of which have (valid) Wikipedia entries.

One reason it may be a little difficult to find references to the band is that most of the band's activities were pre-web. Just because an entity cannot be readily found on the web doesn't mean it is not worthy of inclusion.

The band released three records, all listed appropriately on the article. Two were released on Blue Collar Records (an indie Christian label now defunct), one on Broken Records. Both were nationally distributed by Lexicon and Word, respectively. All told, the band sold about 30,000 records. These records were, until recently, out of print. Again, not sufficient cause to delete.

I did not intend for the Wikipedia article to "serve as a surrogate website" as Amatulic noted. 4-4-1 was a part of a musical movement, however small (I didn't know size or fame have become such drivers for Wikipedia inclusion) and the band's mark on that genre cannot be denied. When people talk about the other bands listed above, it would be a disservice to the history of the genre to not include 4-4-1's exploits, as the band played with all those groups at various venues.

This is not a band who made the rounds at “coffee houses” or local pubs. 4-4-1 played over a dozen times at the birthplace of Contemporary Christian Music, Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa to capacity (1500 seats) crowds, performed with Phil Keaggy at the Anaheim Convention Center, the Cornerstone music festival in Chicago and the Icthus festival outside Lexington, Kentucky, and a half dozen performances at Knott’s Berry Farm, among others. All of these venues at attendance in excess of 1,000 people.

If historical relevance isn't enough, the band has reformed of late and has performed significant concerts including the Broken Records reunion concert (with Undercover, The Choir, Altar Boys and Crumbacher) and at one of the largest Christian music festivals in the country, Spirit West Coast in May of 2006.

Popular contemporary acts such as Joy Electric count 4-4-1 as a major influence.

The band is currently composing new material and talking with the major Christian festivals about 2007 dates.

Removing the 4-4-1 page calls into question every page of the bands I have just listed, and the converse compels one to the conclusion that this article should be reinstated.

To cover three of the basic content tenants:

Verifiability As I do not seem to have access to the deleted article, I cannot respond, point by point, to items in the article. I can verify the band existed/does exist, produced three records with national distribution, was in national press, and has performed at significant concert venues.

Original Research As above, I can support the Wikipedia policy here.

Neutral PoV As above.

Respectfully,

GH228

Links referencing 441:

http://www.answers.com/topic/4-4-1

http://www.441online.com/

http://www.answers.com/topic/broken-records

http://christianmusic.about.com/b/a/169077.htm

http://members.tripod.com/dover14/id22.htm

http://www.opuszine.com/blog/entry.html?ID=1286

http://www.spiritwestcoast.org/delmar/index.php

http://www.myspace.com/situationpop

[edit] Your handwriting

Hello, I randomly wandered across a talk page with your note concerning your RfB. It resulted in my intrigue for the font face, which, according to Image:Md-thanks.gif, is your own handwriting. Is this so, and if so, I strongly recommend you create your own font… I would use it! :-) Happy editing, Fbv65edel / ☑t / ☛c || 02:48, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A belated note - Gary Kirk's RfA

Dear Mailer diablo

Thank you very much for voting in my request for adminship. In the end, not many people let their opinion be known, and I didn't get the mop just yet. I have already begun acting on the issues brought up by the community, and will continue to do so. If you have any more suggestions for me, feel free to let me know.
Once again, thank you.
— Gary Kirk // talk! 08:53, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good luck on exams, hope you feel better soon!

Hi there, I saw your name on the Esperanza Alerts page, and it says that you're stressed about upcoming exams. I hope that you do well, and also that you feel better soon. Speaking from personal experience, it helps a lot if you don't shortchange yourself on sleep and adequate hydration. Good luck! --Kyoko 23:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. That's what Esperanza's for, right? :)--Kyoko 23:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RfA thanks

Please accept my thanks for your support in my successful RfA, which I was gratified to learn passed without opposition on October 25, 2006. I am looking forward to serving as an administrator and hope that I prove worthy of your trust. With my best wishes, --MCB 01:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)