Template talk:Main coordinates templates

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Prior discussions, impacting this template change requested below:

1. Template_talk:Coor_dms/archive001#Geo_microformat
2. Template_talk:Coord

Contents 1 Edit Protected request 1.1 requested edit 1.2 confusion 1.3 New locale of Template:Editprotected 2 Reversion 3 Layout

[edit] Edit Protected request

Original {{Editprotected}} was here... now below. // FrankB 15:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] requested edit

Please add the following (boxed) notification line into the Template:Main coordinates templates (edit talk links history) template:

after the line "Template:Coor URL". Thank you. Andy Mabbett 07:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] confusion

Shouldn't this be a category instead of a template? It only seems to be included in other template pages. CMummert · talk 12:03, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Hmmmm... He seems to have meant:

This single template supersedes {{coor d}}, {{coor dm}}, {{coor dms}}, {{coor at d}}, {{coor at dm}}, {{coor at dms}}, {{coor title d}}, {{coor title dm}}, and {{coor title dms}} in the template help.

CAUTION -- if this change affects a high percentage of pages citing co-ordinates, and that is certainly implied, then this change is best left to low server demand hours... not mid-day!!!

But I wouldn't suggest making this change without seeing where this has been discussed in advance at TFD or it's talk page. If the proposal was accepted, replacement might make sense, but it looks like a template savvy admin should be implimenting this least something blows up. But one of these days these kids have to figure out that fixing something that ain't broken is stupid. Sigh. // FrankB 14:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Right - that point should be raised on the {{coord}} talk page. This template seems to be just a navigational aid, rather than acutally a template. Not one article transcludes it. So, independent of whatever is going on at {{coord}}, it seems to me that this template ought to be replaced with a category. CMummert · talk 14:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

(outdent; general reply) Firstly, I'm not asking anybody to change any coordinate templates, yet. I'm asking for a change to the template which lists such templates, in order that people are made aware of the planned changes. I did not mean what has been suggested, above, I meant exactly what I wrote. Yes, this has been discussed elsewhere, and every time I mention it, someone tells me it should be discussed in some other, new place. I agree that any specific queries should be raised on the talk page of {[tl|coord}}, but only after first reading the documentation of that template, and preceding discussion. I can't see how a category would be a suitable alternative? Oh, and mid-day in which time zone? I'm not a "kid" and I regard Fabartus' closing comment as ill-informed and thus unwarranted. Andy Mabbett 15:41, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's already a coordinates template category, so that seems nonsensical on it's face, particularly if this is to replace the one's listed in that /doc page. But I have to confess I didn't look at this close... the part which alarmed me is/was 'after testing'... implying such hasn't yet been done.

Template:Coord (edit talk links history) vs Template:Main coordinates templates (edit talk links history)...

I just <1-- --->User_talk:Pigsonthewing#Sorry_to_butt_in_on_this left an query on this, on Andy's page... but looking closer now, see this is a request to add a warning line above the list of templates which are soon to be superceded... this is not the big change I suspected. It only affects the /doc pages, so has no implications on server loadings.

I fixed up the request, and added the references, so will add his editprotected request back... temporarily over written as it were. This is an okay request since it's affecting only the documentation pages. Admin- include the grey box or not as it suits your whim. I made a sub-section edit ability for you. When all is said and done, this is a minor edit, and we'll work on Andy's request skills! <g> // FrankB 15:52, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New locale of Template:Editprotected

{{Editprotected}} (Edit conflict...)

I made the change. It wasn't obvious to me that this was just a see also list; I added a noinclude note to make it more clear. I'm sorry that such a small requested change led to such a large amount of discussion. CMummert · talk 16:19, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. All's well that ends well. Andy Mabbett 16:30, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

But please move it - it won't replace {{coor URL}}, so should come below that line in the list, as requested. Thanks. Andy Mabbett 16:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it. CMummert · talk 17:40, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you again. Andy Mabbett 18:48, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The coord template, as it currently stands, is not to my liking at all. It is bulky and unnecessary. I don't think the likes of Google Earth need it; they are capable of writing a routine to convert dms coordinates. Viewfinder 22:20, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

This isn't the place to discuss it; but as I've just said in another place where you raised the issue: please see {{coord}} - one of its advantages is that it puts the choice of display format in the hands of the user. Your reference to GE is a red herring.Andy Mabbett 22:24, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Re the red herring comment, see WP:UF#Geo. Viewfinder 22:38, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and totally irrelevant to the case in hand; as is this discussion on this page. Please use my talk page, or coords if you have further concerns. Andy Mabbett 22:44, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reversion

{{Editprotected}}

Why was the recent edit to this template, inviting people to a consultation, reverted, without discussion? Please restore it ASAP. Andy Mabbett 10:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Let's not get into an edit war about an infobox. The history shows who reverted and their edit summary. You should contact that user to see what's up. Think WP:BRD. CMummert · talk 12:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll refer them here. Andy Mabbett 12:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I think Gmaxwell already explained it to you on [3] . Please avoid announcing such changes before you finished tweaking your template. As of writing, the Great Barr article (a screen shot on Geo (microformat)) is still a mess .. seems like a clear sign why we can't use it yet. -- User:Docu

You're badly out-of-date. Gmaxwell indicated a week ago that he's happy for the planned change to go ahead (and again)), once Google Earth's parser has been updates; and this is apaprently in hand. The Great Barr article and screenshot are both fine. The change you reverted refers to the planned substitution being made in the future - it's entirely appropriate to inform people about it now. Andy Mabbett 16:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

from discussion elsewhere, it's clear that the reversion was based on Docu's misunderstanding. I'll repeat my request for the recent change to be reinstated, please. Andy Mabbett

Apparently there is still some misunderstandings by contributors to "Great Barr" on how the coord template can substitute some of the others. Maybe Paradisal can help you. -- User:Docu

If there is, then the best way to remedy it is to direct people to the coord documentation - which is what the text you recently removed from this template was for. I ask you again: please reverse that removal. Andy Mabbett 08:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Oddly, it's mainly you who edited (and broke) Great Barr. - User:Docu

I'm not sure why you raise that again, now, but Great Barr was never "broken". Andy Mabbett 09:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Your (and the current version) still lack elements added by TheAnomebot. -- User:Docu

I added the box again, but reworded it to make clear this is a proposal. CMummert · talk 12:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

It distorts the layout of the "see also" lists, could you fix it or remove it. -- User:Docu

Please don't remove it. What do you mean by, "distorts the layout of the "see also" lists"? Andy Mabbett 09:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

"See also" is a standard section heading in Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Standard_appendices_and_descriptions. -- User:Docu

That refers to articles, not meta-pages; and in any case does not prohibit the notice which you have just removed. Andy Mabbett 10:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

This is getting tiresome. Will somebody please - again - revert this edit. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 10:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Since this page is hidden behind noinclude walls, there really isn't any reason to keep it protected, and the protection seems to be getting in the way of compromise here. I made a detailed request at RFPP to have it unprotected, which was granted [4]. Since I never had any stake in this discussion except the editrequested tags, I am now going to bow out of the discussion. CMummert · talk 19:42, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Layout

On Template:Coor_dms, there are two sections below the template: "Usage" and "See also". The later is much in the line with Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout#Standard_appendices_and_descriptions. We know Pigsonthewing likes placing banners (e.g. as discussed on Template_talk:GeoTemplate#Too_much_spam.__How_about_just_having_useful_links_to_maps?, but it just distorts the layout. -- User:Docu

Leaving aside your red herring, and the irrelevance of "Standard appendices and descriptions", as explained above, what do you mean by "distorts the layout" ? Perhaps you can provide a screen-shot which illustrates your point? Andy Mabbett 20:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)