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Mainz Cathedral was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake. Reviewed version: December 16, 2006

I would like to correct some details. By the way they are all correct in the german version.

1. Willigis did not build the first cathedral. Mainz is a a bishop’ seat since the 4. century (see the list of bishops in the german version). The church St. John (present-day protestant church, dating 10. century) had been the former cathedral, but there was of cause an even older one. 2. Fortunatly the Cathedral emerged with relatively little damage from World War II. Only parts of the cloister and the St. Gothard-Chappel had to be reconstructed. The restaurations of the 20. century had became necessary because of damages of the foundations (due to removing the Rhine from the city) and pollution of environment 3. There is no staue of Williges in the cathedral. He was, by the way, buried in St. Stephen, his favourite foundation. 4. Only very few kings have been crowned in Mainz (see the list in the german version). The Mainz archbishop was one of the 7 electors of the kings and (together with the archbishop of Cologne) I was involved in the coronation as well, but this took place in Aachen. 5. The Archbishop’s titel before the french revolution was “Prince Elector” (Kurfürst), not “Prince-Bishop”.

[edit] my gratitude

Hello "Recent Authors", I began this article about 2 years ago. From time to time I have gathered more information but didn't notice any major alterations; the changes to this article must have been made in early-06'. Remarkable! I'm simply impressed. Sean, Weiden i.D. Opf (formerly of Wiesbaden). ps I always enjoyed going to the Mainzer Dom. Sean Patrick 25,07,06 23;47 CET

The changes were made in July -- I translated the article from the German one - CheNuevara 21:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] translation

The German version of this article enjoys Good Article article status. I'm gonna work on bringing some of that text over here, although I'm not particularly knowledgable about architecture. - Che Nuevara: ^{Join the Revolution} 18:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I've pretty much finished this. I don't know if I'll do the parts about the artifacts, I'll think about it. - Che Nuevara: ^{Join the Revolution} 19:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nom failed

Thanks for nominating the article. As far as I can tell, the prose is excellent, and everything else is great, except for one thing...inline citations. The GA guidelines state that articles must be referenced using an acceptable style of inline citation (criteria 2b), and, unfortunately, the article at this time has no inline citations whatsoever, which means I cannot pass the article for GA status at this time. I realize that a lot of this was translated from German, but apparantly you live in Mainz and speak German. Perhaps you could get the books that were used as sources out of a local library and then use Template:Cite book for all the facts in the article? Just a suggestion. Gutes Glück (hopefully I translated that right) and happy editing, Green451 02:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm actually an American, and have never been to Mainz. I'm flattered by your assumption :) Unfortunately, the German version has no inline citations, otherwise I would have included them. Obviously, in Massachusetts, I don't have easy access to the German books. I can look for English language sources for some of the important parts of this article when I have a little more time. Alles gute! - Che Nuevara 03:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I was actually referring the nominator of the article, User:Symposiarch, who (according to their user page) lives in Mainz. The GA review general comments can certainly apply to you, as you are one of the editors working on the article. Sorry for the confusion. Green451 04:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Acknowledged. In any case, since the German version lacks inline citations, putting citations in this one, one way or the other, will probably be tedious. - Che Nuevara 04:44, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

First of all: Thanks to Che Nuevara for the good translation, which is lauded avove. I fully agree with you! So its my job to care for the German version citations. But I wonder if it would be senseful to translate German citations !?! Symposiarch 10:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

How may citations would be needed? I possess only one of the Resources Symposiarch 10:40, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Any statement in the article that is presented as fact should have a reference. For example, the statement:

St. John's Church, than St. Salvator, consecrated in 911 by Archbishop Hatto I, served as the cathedral for the Bishop of Mainz until the appointment of Willigis to Archbishop of Mainz in 975.

This needs a reference. How do we know that any of the statements in the above sentence are true? We don't, unless we know about the subject or have a reference. If you take a look at a typical GA or FA, they may have anywhere between 10 and 100 inline citations (the more, the better). I would advise, as I did above, that you (Symposiarch) try to find books about the cathedral. When you come across a statement in the book that confirms a statement in the Wikipedia article, put a citation to the page number of the book in the Wikipedia article...I think you get what I'm trying to say. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. Green451 02:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)