Talk:Maharishi Sthapatya Veda

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Contents 1 Perhaps need more discussion about "press conference" citations 2 Introduction 3 Signing contributions on the main page 4 Christian Chapel 5 Deletion of this article by Philosophus

[edit] Perhaps need more discussion about "press conference" citations

TimidGuy... I suspect that Sethie wants further discussion of whether press conferences are valid citations, even in the absence of actual recordings to support. Tanaats 20:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Ummm press confrences meet wp:V for me, with ease.Sethie 00:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Here's a quote from WP:V: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source."

As a reader, I should be able to check that the material has already been published in a reliable source. In what sense was this particular press conference published in a reliable source? And how can I check to see if the information presented is accurate -- both in this instance and in the instance of the Maharishi quote we've been discussing in the TM article? If a reputable news organization attends the press conference and reports on it, then to my mind that meets the standard of verifiability. The reader can consult the original news report. Or if a recording is online, then I would say that meets the standard of verifiability. The reader can listen to the press conference. But simply to say that something was said in a press conference and then give the date of the press conference doesn't seem to meet the standard of verifiability.TimidGuy 12:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I concur totally about WP:V is about verifiablility. To be honest I was a little afraid to go hunt for the info because I figured it was not accurate, and holy mackrel, it was.

And, we have a wealth of information here- just in that one confrence, he promises a Billion dollar plan, he says ALL governments are incompetent, and he talks about there being "enemis" of his world peace plan. Sethie 16:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for locating a proper source.TimidGuy 20:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction

I think this article needs an introduction, explaining Sthapatya Veda so I began one.Sethie 00:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, Sethie.TimidGuy 12:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I have extended Sethie's material... feel free to add or subtract...I would like to continue working on this material ...... in a few days maybe.(olive 04:35, 22 December 2006 (UTC))

Good work. And welcome! We really need a source. Just a link to a web site would do. It's simple to do -- just put the URL in brackets, and it will show up as a superscript link in the text.TimidGuy

I like that we have more information now about what MSV is... and I would like to see more neutral wording, more descriptive instead of stating: "To build according to Maharishi Sthapatya Veda means to build in accord with the laws of nature" something like "Accoring to MSV, creating buildings in this way is actually building according to the laws of nature." Sethie 15:02, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Sethie. Good suggestion, good reformatting.TimidGuy 15:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

yikes ...Referenced the material but didn't use links in the body of the material. I'm getting this I think .... yes I tried to make the material as neutral as possible without losing the meaning, and reminding myself that this is Maharishi Sthapatya Veda as opposed to some other kind .... so if anyone can create more neutral language great and I'll have another try at it too at some point (olive 22:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC))

Hi, Olive. See Sethie's suggestion. It's a small change that would make it sound more neutral, though you'll want to work on the wording a bit.TimidGuy 12:24, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Signing contributions on the main page

Hi Olive. Actually, you're not supposed to sign your contributions on the main article page, just on the Talk page.  :) Tanaats 23:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Olive, for respondng to Sethie's suggestions regarding citations and neutral language. Nice job. Welcome to Wikipedia.TimidGuy 12:16, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christian Chapel

I have finally removed the reference to the "Christian Chapel". The chapel was used in my time for many activities, that included many multi - denominational services as well as secular activities as it was in Parsons college's time . Although I did find a reference for this, I realized all of this sent the article off on a tangent that made the article less succinct. If we really want to mention the buildings demolished we should cite several and not focus on one, and go into a discussion of the buildings , but I can't see that that is useful...The word, Christian is not accurate given that the chapel was used for many kinds of activity including as a classroom and dance studio, and in Parsons College 's time for Pep rallies. The chapel had been badly neglected in Parsons time, and the cost of repair was formidable - greater than cost of removing it. In tearing it down MIU lost a classroom, chapel, recital hall , dance studio, and a place where many of the diverse religious groups on campus could meet, so it was worth their while to save it if they could. (olive 00:40, 10 January 2007 (UTC))

You must have been reading WP:BOLD. :)

(BTW, when starting a new section, you can leave the leading colons off. This will adjust you initial comments all the way to the left.) Tanaats 00:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I see no need to mention that unless someone noteworthy complained.

I also removed the multiple copies of your comments. Sethie 01:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for that help, both of you... As I was doing this the site was blocked for some kind of editing repair and I had no idea if the material had been saved or not .... It didn't show up when I previewed the page . ... Yes the thing seems stronger without this red herring... as we say in Canada.(olive 02:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC))

We say that here down south too! Tanaats 02:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of this article by Philosophus

I've reverted the deletion of this article by Philsophus. I believe that it's appropriate to give editors a chance to develop. If one wants to merge, I believe it's appropriate to post the merge tag and open a discussion. And I do think that such a deletion without discussion was out of line. TimidGuy 13:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I certainly didn't have the article deleted, which is what happened to the other ones. This one was borderline, so I merged it into the MVS article. The article has significant WP:V problems - there are only two independent sources, and both mention the topic in essentially only a single sentence. I merged this as a friendly and pragmatic move, to allow the topic to be briefly mentioned using proper sources in the MVS article. Right now, the article is at risk of actual deletion. --Philosophus ^T 23:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. TimidGuy 15:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC) It has received quite a bit of national media coverage, but I guess I don't have that much interest in this article to take the time to document that. TimidGuy 16:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I see someone has resurrected this article. Thanks, Nima, whoever you are. : )

I suppose it could still face deletion, so I've added links to articles in major national media hoping to demonstrate notability. If I have time, I'll find articles that have appeared in national architecture magazines. TimidGuy 17:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)