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Hello Magicalsaumy, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Brahman

Great work at Brahman. — goethean ॐ 18:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] India related links

Links for Wikipedians interested in India content

Register: Indian Wikipedians | Network: Noticeboard | Discussionboard Browse: India | Open tasks | Deletions
Contribute content: Collaboration Dashboard - India WikiProject - Wikiportal India - Indian current events - Category adoptions



Welcome!! --Gurubrahma 11:20, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] re: Advaita Vedanta

I haven't worked on that article much except for grammatical corrections. If you see something wrong or incomplete, be bold and fix it! Advaita is one of my interests, but I'm not an authority on it. — goethean ॐ 19:37, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] {{IndicText}}

Please add template {{IndicTextCentre}} instead of IndicText. Also note that the template is required only for those articles where text support is required to read Indic words. For ex. the India article does not require the template even though it has Indic words. Thanks --Deepak|वार्ता 22:14, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] India edits

Hi! Welcome to wikipedia. I have reverted some of your edits.

You removed:

  1. This is important as some browser do not display Indic text correctly
  2. Land of the Hindus [Urdu]] and HIndi has been used since medival has been used since Mughal times, though its...
    Sindhu has been derived from Old Persian. That's what the text is talking about.
  3. Mughal --> medievial
    Indian historians do not classify Indian history according to Ancient/Medieval and Modern. Mughal is much more accurate.

Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:11, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


Hi! Replying to your post on my page:

  1. It is not my pronounciation, I don't own wikipedia. :) I've verified it and the IPA seems ok. In Wikipedia, the IPA version is preferred over other pronounciations. So I have reverted.
  2. You removed those comments around Hindustan. It was actually put there specifically for browser problems.
  3. "Islamic" is a loaded term, so I've changed it to the 12 century.

Please use Edit summaries to let us know what changes you've made to the text. Matters are sorted out amicably on wikipedia through the article talk and user talk pages. There isn't really a need to meet each other.

And you can sign your posts with four tildes that's ~~~~.

Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:07, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed some text

Hi. I removed a paragraph from the AIT article, because I thought that the writing style in articles should be a bit more "encyclopedic". I hope you understand. --Machaon 01:23, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ashwamedha

Your edits on the Ashwamedha article have been reverted. Please find some references about the disputed nature of the procedure of the sacrifice to support your edits, to prevent reverts in future. Thanks. deeptrivia 19:36, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

I request you not to revert the Ashwamedha article without citing your sources. Please discuss your concerns on the talk page. Thanks. deeptrivia (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Philosophy

Seeing as you have studied hindu philosophy you might be interested in contributing in Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy/geographic divisions. It needs someone that can speak confortably to both Eastern and western philosophy. Regards--Pranathi 20:31, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] INSA

Hey Magicalsaumy, what's your dep.?

I sent you a mail. Check it out! deeptrivia (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Latin spelling and pronunciation

Hi. I noticed that you modified the list of letters and phonemes so that the t sound is described as "dental". I had earlier asked a question on the discussion page about whether the Latin t is dental, since it is dental in all daughter languages. Do you know of any reference that would say whether the sound is alveolar or dental? --Siva 21:23, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Nath Sampradaya

It can be noted that the section related to Nath sampradaya in the stub hindu can be expanded more. Like the navanath sampradaya and the tantric sect within it. 1 Your thoughts.

--Aravind Parvatikar 09:28, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Arbcom candidate userbox

Greetings. I've made a new userbox for arbcom candidates to show on their userpages so that visiters will know they're running.

{{User arbcom nom}}

If you'd like to place it on your userpage, feel free. Regards, – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 02:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration committee elections

Hi, you are currently standing in the Arbitration Committee elections.

If you aren't already aware, you are only attracting a vote of under 20% support to 80% oppose. This is mostly due to perceptions of a lack of experience.

Statistically, your vote is unlikely to rise above a 70-80% supermajority threshold required for election.

Therefore, it would be helpful if you would withdraw your candidacy from the election. This way there will be less candidates for others to read through before deciding their votes. The best place to announce such a decision would be on your candidate statement on the vote page, or on WP:AN/I, IF you choose to withdraw.

Better luck for the future. --Victim of signature fascism | help remove biblecruft 19:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Seeking Homer

The vandalism type message that I sent to 202.68.145.230 was regarding This edit, removing the article. If this was not you, please disregard the message to the IP, it was probally someone else using your proxy. xaosflux Talk/CVU 21:09, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi

Hi, thanks for your contributions there, but what is your source for the material? I'll leave specific comments on the talk page, but wanted to ask you this because verifiability is very important. - Taxman Talk 13:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

While you're at it, can you leave space in the tables to link to sounds samples of each character being pronounced? Here's a native speaker saying the alphabet. I'll have to have him go back and say some of the one's he missed, but it's a start. If you don't already have Audacity it's easy to download so you can split that file up into the individual letters. Anyway keep up the improvements. There's lots of redundancy in the article right now of course, but that's easy enough to fix. - Taxman Talk 16:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox for all IITians

We need to consolidate all IITians in one category. Please add this userbox. {{user iit}}

 This user attends or attended the Indian Institute of Technology.



deeptrivia (talk) 18:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] / spaces /

Hey, I was wondering why you prefer the spaces with the brackets/slashes in IPA transcriptions. You say it's so that it's for visual clarity but I've never noticed any characters looking confusing with the slashes or brackets next to them. Can you provide examples? AEuSoes1 23:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Considering that Internet Explorer doesn't have this problem, far more internet surfers use IE than Mozilla, and Wikipedia's convention is to not have the spaces I think we ought to not have the spaces. AEuSoes1 21:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Holi greetings. --Bhadani 13:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aupmanyav

For the moment I am learning how to deal with Wikipedia and no more edits before I get the hang of things (I am not an IITian). I still do not agree that Hinduism is Aryan, it is indigenous, it accepted some and vanquished other Aryan beliefs (As I have mentioned on my page, Daksha yagna was the climactic, Pukha with his broken teeth must have looked very funny). Advaita does not believe in God (because 'Sarvam Khalvidam Brahma'). Buddha remains a Vishnu avatar, like it or not. Though, IMHO, we should give as little info about Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. Let them do it. It makes our pages heavier. Another matter, there is a profusion of Hindu pages, I think, we should concentrate on the important ones, and take the rest only when we have done the work there. Last thing, rather than corresponding with each other individually, is there not a way where hindu people serious about hindu pages could gather and discuss things? Thanks for the labels for which somebody made the initial entry and the method I picked from your page (I would not add many but I like clean linear inserts, so I used a table). Making progress. Best wishes for your exams (or are they over?).

Aupmanyav 15:07, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] answer

see my talk. --Yurik 21:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spoken Hindi article

Regarding the spoken article for hi:हिन्द-यूरोपीय भाषा-परिवार that you did, do you mind doing another one one a more basic topic? Ideally something suitable for moderately advanced introductory teaching like a cultural topic or something. The spoken template on the Hindi article links back to the English spoken articles, so I couldn't immediately see if there were more already. - Taxman Talk 20:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

There weren't too many html entities in Hindi I think I got them all. But for Hindi grammar, give User:Curps a reminder if he doesn't get a chance to run the unicode bot in a few days. Another question, I've been looking for Hindi corpus statistics, and I've managed to find two Hindi corpus', the EMILLE corpus[1] and the CIIL corpus. The EMILLE is free for academic use by non profits, as I believe is the second. The CIIL is in the EMILLE, but should be available separately too. Not being part of a university I can't access them, but I was hoping you could. Basically I'd like to get a list of the top few thousand words in order tagged for part of speech so I can focus my learning. Some interesting studies[2] show the first 3000 Hindi words cover about 80% of words used. If you could help with that I'd be very appreciative. It might fit in with your studies anyway. - Taxman Talk 17:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian Institutes of Technology

Hi,

Saw your contributions at Indian Institutes of Technology. Thanks for contributing. I wanted to discuss your postings. After reading it, I found it having a very strong POV: The skills tested by a subjective test can never be tested effectively through a multiple choice objective test (where luck also plays an important role). As for the so-called stress—a student who has never undertaken the JEE-type stress before in his life can never bear the stress of the high-level engineering courses within the IITs.

Also, your speculation that quota will never be implemented in also a POV.

The statement that most of the students have critisized the change in pattern is also something that will be frowned upon as lacking in resources and since I believe there is no official survey, we may have to delete the paragraph if we want to go ahead and make it a brilliant prose.

I have seen many of your contibutions in Hindi Wikipedia and hope that you contribute equally to English Wikipedia also. So keep up the good work. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 04:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately student talk is not considered a reliable source in Wikipedia. And to say that something can/will never be implemented is also not possible. I have removed the portion that said that quota can never be implemented and condensed the OBC comments in the main paragraph. If a source for the student's opinion can be found (like a survey by a reputed newspaper or magazine), we can keep it as it is, otherwise it is suggested that it be re-worded. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I have done it already :). Please review it and feel free to comment. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism in Hinduism

Cygnus_hansa: I have written a write-up on that. It is on my discussion page. See if you can get some useful points from that. Regards. Aupmanyav 17:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

You're not blocked. If you are can you copy paste the block message here and we'll take a look at it. Thanks! -- Tawker 08:25, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The Message that I have got was :

Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Curps for the following reason (see our blocking policy): "vandalism" Your IP address is 59.163.25.48. Innocent? Sometimes IP ranges or shared proxies are blocked from editing Wikipedia. This means that innocent people sometimes can't edit. If this is the case, it should be explained in the reason given above.

My defence is: I am aboslutely innocent, having done no vandalism. And I know that I have not been blocked, my IP 59.163.25.48 has been blocked. The IP that has been blocked in actually the common proxy server (netmon.iitb.ac.in) for all the students of the rather prestigious Indian Institute of Technology Bombay. All the students here need to pass through this proxy server to access the internet. Some mischevious students might have been indulging in Vandalism anonymously (regretfully). I suggest two solutions: If possible, please keep the IP blocked for anonymous users, but allow registered users using this same IP to continue normally. If this is not possible, please unblock the whole IP immediately, because I have no other choice and I am rather an active member of wikipedia community.

Cygnus_hansa 08:49, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

It's been dealt with. I've marked the talk page of that IP address to encourage shorter block durations in the event of continued vandalism (see user talk:59.163.25.48). — Apr. 11, '06 [11:08] <freakofnurxture|talk>

[edit] Hindi-Urdu controversy

First of all I have renamed the page, and secondly, I am aghast by your style of writing--this is not the way to write an article, and thirdly, please don't write naïvish articles. You write things only half-half, with partial info and create disastrous articles, spreading misinformation. Cygnus_hansa 13:27, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

  • The renaming was unnecessary as it happened in 1867 and not in 1876. Secondly, I only created this article and posted info from an existing article, as the origional article Sir Syed was becoming too long, and so that more things could be added. I even didn't alter the last sentence which was obviously offensive to me. Anyway, I have now provided some additional citations for refference and fixed the article name. --Falcon007 20:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bāhya-Pratyakshavāda

Back in December, you added "four schools of Buddhism" to the article Buddhism. But, you didn't list any sources. Please take a look at Talk:Schools of Buddhism#Please find home for this puppy and see if you can be of assistance. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 16:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming and transliteration to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Vedic)

Trying to a get a concensus on this. Your input is appreciated. I'm trying to move the naming and transliteration formating to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Vedic).--Dangerous-Boy 08:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. Do you thing you can add some Tamil examples for the south stuff? --Dangerous-Boy 10:58, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Check out Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic) too. they could really use you help.--Dangerous-Boy 11:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atheism and Hinduism

SPEAKING TREE - Times of India
The Atheistic Roots of Hindu Philosophy - Mahesh Daga

The core of Hindu scriptural tradition, it is commonly thought, is all about theism or belief in God. But that is a huge misconception. Even disregarding the ‘heterodox’ streams like the charvaks, with their underlying message of materialist hedonism, or Buddhism, the philosophical canon — call it higher Hinduism — leaves plenty of room for dissent even on a question as central as the existence of God.

Indeed, the reason why some schools of darshana — Purva and Uttar Mimansa, Sankhya and Yoga, Nyaya and Vaisheshika — are regarded as ‘orthodox’ and others such as Jainism, Buddhism and Charvaks are not, has little or nothing to do with a belief in God. The real point of departure is whether or not a particular system of thought accepts the Vedas as the ultimate source of philosophical authority. The so-called orthodox schools do — even though it has been convincingly argued that this acceptance is more notional than real — while the other three don’t. Significantly, the original meanings of the terms astika and nastika, too, hinge on this vital difference. While the astikas believe in the veracity and infallibility of the Vedas, the nastikas clearly don’t.

Among the astikas, the two oldest schools — Sankhya and Purva Mimansa — strongly refute the theory of God. Thus, the source book for Sankhya darshan, Ishwar Krishan’s Sankhya Karika, is full of subtle arguments which reject the possibility of there being an all-powerful creator and controller of the world. Vigyan Bhikshu’s Sankhya Pravachna Bhashya makes a case for why a belief in the divine principle is unwarranted. Even Kapila’s classic treatise on the subject, which is far less emphatic in its rejection of God, finds it unnecessary to accept any theistic assumptions.

Similarly, Purva Mimansa has a strong element of disbelief at its core. Jaimini’s Mimansa Sutra, the founding text, is mostly preoccupied with proving the efficacy and power of Yagna (or sacrificial fire) but shies away from attributing it to any divinity. Instead, in common with latter Mimansakas like Kumarila, Jaimini takes delight in rejecting the God hypothesis. In Yoga — beginning with Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra — which is widely regarded as theistic in nature, the acceptance of God is, in part, purely verbal. In large areas of practical reasoning, God is happily overlooked, if not consciously ignored. In Nyaya, the quint-essential Indian tradition of formal logic, there is an attempt to prove, as in Jayanta Bhatt’s Nyaya Manjari, the existence of God, but such arguments are far from being universally accepted.

The only ‘God-fearing’ candidate among the orthodox schools is perhaps Uttar Mimansa, of which Shankara’s advaita or vedantic philosophy is the best known example. But, contrary to received wisdom, Shankara was never accepted, either by his contemporaries or latter-day thinkers, as the be all and end all of Indian thought. It was only in the 19th century, thanks to the need of the native intellectuals to create the image of an ‘essentially’ spiritual India as opposed to an equally materialist West, that Shankara’s advaita came to be regarded as the pinnacle of Indian philosophical achievement.

Interestingly, atheism in the Indian tradition is not necessarily premised on a prior acceptance of materialism, either in the philosophical or everyday sense. All the atheistic schools mentioned above, even when they reject God, accept the existence of a permanent soul (atman), which is quite distinct from corporeal or physical reality. If anything, Indian atheism — except in the case of the charvaks — is strongly anti-materialistic in character. Aupmanyav 18:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:User No Marxism

Hi! According to list [3] you are one of those many who have been using the template. Unfortunately it has been deleted again by certain admins; a discussion is being held here Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates#Template:User_No_Marxism. You might express your opinion there, as well as other users of this template.--Constanz - Talk 06:13, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guardians of the directions

Can you fix the IAST stuff on this? I see nothing but squares.--Dangerous-Boy 21:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you think you can do one more? Four Heavenly Kings --Dangerous-Boy 22:50, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
You also might want to help out here: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic).--Dangerous-Boy 23:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My "Vandalism"

Regarding what you have termed "Vandalism" in your edit summary, and apropos your following message on my talk-page:

I am tired of people like you always rubbing out the fact that hindi is the official langugae of the Indian Union. I have reverted your edits. If you have not read the constitution (Art 343), please read it on the net. Hindi is the first official language of the union and this status is not shared by it with the rest of the 21 scheduled languages, including Tamil, Telgu and Malayalam, whatsoever. It is no use saying that Hindi is (just) one of the several official languages.Cygnus_hansa 20:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Note that:

  1. When you say "Hindi is the first official language of the union..." you are agreeing that it is not the only one. English is the other one. Hence my edit that it is "one of the official languages" is perfectly valid. From your message to me, it appears that many people have been trying to get this through to you in the past, to no effect. Hindi is also of course one of some 22 national languages of India, but that is irrelevent here.
  2. Be informed further that Hindi is the official language only of the central government of India and NOT of the "Indian union" which includes the states. Hence the use of the term "Indian Union" was misplaced and I corrected it.

Your message to me is rude, but maybe there is no help to that. ImpuMozhi 20:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


The Hindi version of the constitution was written around 10 years ago, during the tenure of S.D. Sharma; the idea that it alone is authoritative is both wrong and inexplicable. The term "Indian Union" in the words cited by you clearly refer to the government of India and not to state governments or (laughably) to the people. Saying on the Hindi page that it is the language of the Indian union feeds the wrong impression many foreigners have that this language is the language of the country. Much as I would like to Assume Good Faith, the fact that you apparently object to calling Hindi the official language of the central government (which it is), and insist on employing ambiguous wording, makes me suspect that you desire to project precisely such an impression. You may want to read WP:NPOV and This section, esp. 'propoganda'. ImpuMozhi 20:54, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the squares!

can you fix the squares? It's the questions of the Yakṣa article. I can't link to it since it had squares in the title itself. it's called Yakṣapraśnāḥ and it's listed under the Hindu myth cat.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dangerous-Boy (talk • contribs) .

I have created a redirect to Yakṣapraśnāḥ from Yakshaprashnah. Please always provide a redirect from a spelling with a simplified title (using the 26 letters of English). - Nat Krause(Talk!) 21:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Either way is fine with me, although I think I prefer that the title of the article should be the same as it appears in the text. In any event, if you want to move it to Yakshaprashnah, I will support the move. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 00:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I was able to fix most the squares but not the title.--Dangerous-Boy 01:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduism

Please check in Hinduism/Discussion/Etymology. I would like to have your opinion. Aupmanyav 14:29, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] सूर्य (copied from hiwiki)

नमस्कार! I think in the future there will be problems with pages like these. A policy needs to be created. Currently the page talks about the sun but what will be the name of the dev. सूर्यदेव or should the sun page be moved to सूरज? GizzaChat © 00:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Hemanshu is the only Bureaucrat on Hi-wiki. I'll ask him to look at hi:विकिपीडिया:Requests for adminship. GizzaChat © 05:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] anti-reservation protests

Hey Magicalsaumy. Why did you remove the events in many cities from the article. Isn't this article supposed to be primarily for describing the protests? I'm sure there must be a good reason, so let me know. deeptrivia (talk) 06:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh..okay. I've put it back. Thanks! deeptrivia (talk) 06:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I also have issues with your editing of the article. You claim to keep a NPOV, but your editing is extremely anti-reservationist. In addition, your description of the caste system is far too emotional for an article like this. I am not attempting to get into an ideological battle here, and I personally am against reservations as well as all affirmative action. However, especially considering that this is an article concerning current political issues, we must keep a level head and remain detached. You can be an excellent asset to improving this article, especially considering your Indian residence and alma mater at IIT. I would like to cooperate with you in bringing this article to a more neutral POV. Thank you, Syckls 06:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree. I have already done work on "Vote-bank", and I leave the rest either to you or to another day. It's 3 AM and I really shouldn't be up this late with a presentation in the morning -_- Syckls 07:11, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism - User talk:202.68.145.230

Hi there

I have checked the page... it appears that this IP is shared by many users. This is common, and so you may well have received a message from me from that IP. That does not mean you did it (and I'm sure you are 100% innocent), but that someone else did. I simply sent the message so that if someone was sitting at a terminal, he may well see it and stop his bad behaviour.

Here is a link to the difference between the versions [4]. It obviously needed to be reverted.

Sorry if you got the message: these things happen. Do not worry if you did not do it! There is nowhere near enough evidence to enforce a block: because this IP is assigned to various people, blocking can only be allowed in cases where the vandalism occurs within a short amount of time, and then the block will only be for a few hours. Hopefully he/she will give up!

Remember, Be Bold and happy editing! -- Chris Lester talk 17:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't worry!

Don't worry - I'm not an admin... Blocking policy usually means that if the incident of vandalism occurs within, say, an hour, a block of about three hours is generally sufficient. I understand your position, here in South Africa, we have the same problem as well. You can always use the unblock tag to explain the situation, and someone should unblock. -- Chris Lester talk 18:21, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reservation in India

I replied to your message on my talk page siddharth 04:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IIT article

Hi,

Most of your edits were pretty muck "ok" apart from the fact that the language was a bit un-encyclopedic with constructs like "This is obvious", etc. I have copyedited it. The only place where I found too much POV problem was the phrase "..free from the slow and painful bureaucracy which hampers progress in the rest of the Indian universities". Check out the rest of my copyediting also. In the context of education ranking, I moved your argument down where it has been discussed centrally. BTW, I was not aware that I am "notorious". I keep a watch on almost discussions going around and I never found someone complaining about POV problems with me (of course you have to ignore those who come and vandalize Arjun Singh's article). Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 11:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I think you weren't refering to the vandalism reversions when you said that I am notorious. Can you give specific examples where you felt I changed NPOV to my POV? Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 12:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Looks like you were refering to these edits. Why don't you read them again. Most of the things still exist in the article though either under a different name or by rewording. Those that don't exist (like "It must be noted, time and again, that though a democracy, India unfortunately has a highly complicted bureaucracy. This slows down every kind of progress in India, provides channels for undue and illegal political influence from many powerful politicians, and gives way to rampant corruption and bribary in some extreme cases.", etc.) are not things that one sees in encyclopedia (are un-encyclopedic), or they were removed because of objection in Peer Review or the Featured Article Review. If you don't believe me, ask any experienced editor yourself. You are complaining about having a few sentences removed; I had my contributions (whole sections) chopped off but I never complained as that was necessary to bring the article to FA level. I am amused to find that you thought I had POV problems while the only people I ever had conflicts of interests were the vandals. I suggest you have a look at the contributions of those people again before accusing me of it. BTW, one of the recent edits on IIT article changed and distorted the meaning of a sentence completely. You replaced "Sometimes, relative grading done considering the overall performance of the whole class." with "In many IITs, relative grading done considering the overall performance of the whole class." This changed the meaning of the sentence completely. Its not that some IITs have relative grading and others absolute. From what I know about IITs on the basis of my own experience at IITKGP and my friends elsewhere is that all IITs have a combination of both relative and absolute grading depending on the subject concerned. I am reverting it back to the previous one. Also, please don't use phrases like "suffer naturally", "this is obvious", etc. as they are unencyclopedic. Also, I find that you use too many adjectives which un-necessarily complicate the sentences. Anyways, any update on your RfA at Hindi Wikipedia? You seem to be doing good work there. I also want to contribute there, but everytime I log in, the chaos of the place puts me off. Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I am not against making generalized statements, I am just against generalized statements with a POV (like "...However, it is unlikely that it will actually be implemented. Indeed, such things are more of political stunts so common in the Indian politics."). Please go through the FAC of IIT and you will understand how minutely the article is scrutinized. Or just see Spangineer's or Taxman's edit to know how thoroughly FAs are supposed to be scrutinized. Ever heard of Tony. We should try and follow his examples as to how to write encyclopedic articles. Hence, I beg to disagree with regard to POV check which I feel should be there in every sentence and the article as a whole (to find out systematic biases, if any). I believe these differences will exist till we mature enough in our Wiki-experiences. I sincerely hope that this difference of opinion does not become an edit-conflict in the future. Hopefully with the help of links I have given in this message, you will understand why I am so "fussy" about language. You might not be knowing that the IIT article had to wait so long because everyone who commented about it said its one good copyedit away from an FA and the language of article was so "poor" (yes, even my fussiness is considered below par) that it was a challenge for people to do it and the article was stagnant in its position for a long time. I personally contacted many people to copyedit it but hardly anyone replied. Eventually, with Nirav's help, I got the article submitted for FAC where it was shredded into pieces by Spangineer. Thankfully he agreed to copyedit it and now the article is all set to pass the FAC. Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You have been made admin on Hindi Wikipedia. Please note that I am not at all active on Hindi Wikipedia now and not very active here either. If required, I will also give up my bureaucrat status. I admire your enthusiasm for the project. Always try and follow procedure which is agreed upon by the community and avoid hasty, unilateral decisions. Cheers! --Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu 19:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi Wikipedia

Hi,

The page now looks great. Now that there is a way to get things done (an active admin), I will seriously consider giving more time for Hindi Wikipedia. I think we need to create a centralized "To-Do" list for Hindi Wikipedia that we all can jointly work on to share the burden. Specifically, Hindi Wikipedia lacks a lot of templates that need to be added so that the system works properly. Keep in touch. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Even I am going home in one week, and although the internet connection will be available, I won't be able to contribute freely as its still very expensive there. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 13:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Looks good. My only suggestions are add the English Wikipedia to the over 100,000 section at the bottom, remove the IE only recommendation. The page should either work on Firefox or not have that warning. As a free project it should work on free software, but if it doesn't there's no need to discourage people pointing that out so that it can be fixed by someone able. Also the tops of the boxes don't line up in IE, if possible, it would look much better if they did, and the boxes that are next to each other having some whitespace padding or whatever to make them the same height would be good too. - Taxman Talk 14:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Romani in Devanagari

Dear Magicalsaumy, thanks a lot for your help and encouragement. Indeed, I used till now "ज़" for "z" and, as you said, the variant with "स" makes more sense (the transcriptions for the other sounds is good also). I don't know exactly the steps to make them official, maybe by including in Unicode these new letters. I presume this is important for "स" variant (as a way to include it officially in Devanagari keyboards) and also for "श" with a dot below. Me too, I considered the best option "श" with a dot below, but, until now, I used simple "श" because I don't know how to include it in the Devanagari keyboards or in the Java application from Hindi Wikipedia (the means I use to write Devanagari). In the next few weeks I will not have too much time to work on-line, so you might get some delays for possible replies. I hope in the future I will have more time to discuss with you about the Hindi neologisms for Romani. Looking forward for a fruitful collaboration, regards, Desiphral 13:49, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi Toolbox

Hi,

The new toolbox is a lot better. However, since I prefer using external software, it really doesn't matter to me. BTW, I think you missed one important मात्रा. The "Ru" as in म in मृत्यु. Regards, -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 19:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good work at Hindi Wiki

I saw MediaWiki:Edittools and the Guidelines page. You have done a great job! The most important character now added in the edittools in the viram. Without the viram I had to write with other programs before. There is just one thing which I slightly disagree with in your guidelines. You said that the names of the templates should be in English but I think that the Hindi Wikipedia should be as independant from the English as it can. It is more difficult to write Hindi with a computer of course but we should retain as much Hindi and move away from English. We are very behind the English Wiki but my dream is that one day we have more articles and feature articles than the English. Bhagavan will help us! Bharat became independant from Britain more than 50 years ago but the Indian Wikipedians are still not independant from the English-pedia. I hope it is changed by 15 August this year. जै हिन्द ! GizzaChat © 09:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your request regarding Swiss Federal Council

I've replied on Talk:Swiss Federal Council. If you have any further questions, I'm happy to try and give a reply, but I suggest you pose them there, as other contributors may also have useful information. Best, Sandstein 15:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi main page

Could you ensure that various boxes on the Main Page are of the same width, and reduce as much as possible the empty spaces between the boxes. Also, I had started working on a Welcome page, but I haven't been active lately. If someone wants to take it over from that point, it's fine, or maybe I'll complete it sometime. deeptrivia (talk) 00:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the french and italian main pages look quite nice. Could you make the vertical gap between the boxes on the hindi main page similar to that in french and italian ones? Thanks. deeptrivia (talk) 00:59, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notice

Please stop spamming other users' talk pages, or else you will face a temporary block by an administrator. This is not meant to be a threat; it is a statement of consequences. DS 03:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unblock

User:DragonflySixtyseven has unfortunately blocked my IP. He accuses me of spamming, whereas I am myself an administrator at the Hindi wikpedia. Hindi wikipedia is in terrible need of more article (currently it has under 1400 !). People in India (Hindi speakers) cannot type in Hindi--they use English keyboards, and know not how to contribute. I was giving them a sample of instructions how to contribute, etc. I have not spammed at all. I have sent messages to Native and high-level speakers of Hindi, most of whom, I know pretty well; all these messagings were absolutely manual, I swear. Kindly unblock me immediately.Cygnus_hansa 03:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

Because you did not stop when you were asked to stop, you have been blocked for three hours. It is suspected, in fact, that you were using an unauthorised bot to make edits faster than a human could; this is a serious offense and can lead to disciplinary measures. DS 03:18, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Okay

Now that I have your attention, I would like you to please read these policies here. I concede that you meant well; however, you were going about it poorly.

Unauthorized bot use is a drain on the project's resources, after all.

You will be unblocked in a few minutes. DS 03:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A suggestion

I would also like to suggest that, instead of pasting in the entire document about how to contribute to the Hindu Wikipedia, you simply create User:Magicalsaumy/Instructions on Typing in Devanagari, or some such name, and direct people to it. This will be much more efficient.

I will now unblock you. DS 03:35, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation to contribute to hindi wikipedia

Hi. Thanks for leaving the invitation on my talk page. But I don't feel comfortable enough in typing in Devanagari script. (For that matter, I am even interested in contributing to the Bengali wiki, but the script problem is preventing me). So, I am sorry to say that I wont be able to contribute much to the articles there. But, if required, feel free to buzz me for any translation or policy discussions. --soumসৌমোyasch 05:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I am already a registered editor on the Hindi Wikipedia. The thing is that uptil now I was not aware about the usage of Khadi boli in the encyclopedia. Now that I know of it, I will surely try to contribute. Regards, --Nearly Headless Nick 09:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation. However, I cannot write Hindi ! Sorry, but will join. I am an user in Bangla wikipedia.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that, but yeah even I thought it was spam for a moment, seeing the looo...ng box. Maybe it would be better if you keep only important stats, and replace the guidelines with a link to the hindi wiki page.
And yeah, I will try to contribute as much as I can. But I dont exactly like the phonetic keyboards, they give a lot of problem with joint characters. --soumসৌমোyasch 17:43, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for the invitation, that was very informative. I will surely try to contribute. Regards, - Holy Ganga talk 21:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your spam

I have reverted your talk-page spam. I notice you have already been blocked for it; take this as a warning. If you spam like this again, you may find yourself under harsher penalty. I also notice above that you try to justify your actions; you claim to have targeted only Hindi speakers (wrong; I don't know a single word of it), and you claim that it is not spam because the Hindi Wikipedia needs editors (a non-sequitur fallacy). No matter what your intentions, never ever spam talk pages like that again. – Timwi 12:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Situation

I unblocked you after about 25 minutes.

And I reverted a few of your posts to talk pages, but was then advised that I should not do this. Another editor, however, continued. Take it up with him.

I am in a foul mood today. DS 17:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Please stop spamming talk pages.--Kungfu Adam (talk) 21:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi invite

Unfortunately, the only hindi I know are the bad words and the only devangari I know I can read are aum, and the vowels.--Dangerous-Boy 03:25, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for inviting me to edit the Hindi Wikipedia. I will not, however be able to do so, because I am not really comfortable with typing in Indian scripts. I will be deleting the message you posted on my talk page, as it is quite huge, and in my opinion clutters up the talk page. Please do not repost it there. Have a nice day.
--Kunal (Talk) 09:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for the invit to the Hindi Wikipedia. However I think the message is too long. It would be better to provide a link to a page with this information. Mechanicalamit 17:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Diglossia page

Sorry I don't know anything about Hindi. My main specialty is Chinese. —Umofomia 06:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My Account does not work

Dear Administrator,

I created an account yesterday. But it does not seem to work. I wanted to send you a personal mail. But it requires a wikipedia account that doesn't work. What is the solution ?

BTW, could you let me know your actual name ?

Sincerely Narayan Prasad

Please could you clarify in what way it is not working? =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It seems to work. You made this edit from it. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 09:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, it is not my presonal wiki-policy to tell me my actual name, unless you email me (click on the link on my user page; I have verified my email). I don't know why your account is not working. Please tell me what error message you are encountering, or if you have forgotten your password.Cygnus_hansa 21:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi invite

Hi! Thanks for the invite, but I already have a hi: login of the same name. I'm tied down to the en wiki, so I don't think I'll be editing in hi:. A suggestion: Please do not place such a huge and detailed invitation template on users talk pages. A short invite captures the person's attention in a better manner. Detail should be moved somewhere else. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, but I had given the matter a great thought whether the message must be placed inline or just linked.Cygnus_hansa 21:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(Indic)#Conflict.3F

Your input is needed on the iast template and unicode template.--Dangerous-Boy 08:55, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recommendations for hi:

  1. The recommendation to use बोलचाल वाली हिन्दी is different from what is generally followed in a formal literature like an encyclopaedia, e.g. we don't use things like "It's gonna be held every year" except within quotations. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Contractions.
  2. Is there a transliteration standard that uses स़ for /z/? Otherwise not many readers may understand what that represents. Also note that according to [5], स़ is already used to transliterate certain Perso-Arabic characters into Hindi, which are different from the P-A characters transliterated as ज़ (BTW MediaWiki seems to automatically change ज़ to ज+ ़).
-- Paddu 23:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  1. Oops! I forgot to mention specifically your recommendation to use ये and वो, which is never done in formal written Hindi. That is what I'm opposed to since it is akin to "I'm", "gonna", etc.
    • [6] is not a personal transliteration scheme. It is a subpage of [7] which describes the ISO 15919. What that page states is that already स़ is used for various P-A sounds different from /z/. Hence using that for /z/ while there is already a well-accepted symbol for it (ज़) would only lead to confusion among those in te know of these things, probably leading to edit-wars.
    • Your concern about people converting /s/ to /z/ or /j/ seems to be unrelated to this. How would using स़ instead of ज़ affect those who convert these to /j/? Won't they still keep doing so? I've even heard educated people pronounce /z/ as /j/, /s/ as /is/, etc. Similarly we can't really fix issues about similarity between ज़ and ज causing people to assume similar pronunciations, as there are other instances of such similarities -- ङ & ड, घ & ध, ख & रव, etc. We could just provide a link to a page where we can describe the transliteration scheme (which would become more complicated if we use two symbols for the same /z/).
    • Even English isn't uniform throughout the world. There are a lot more variations in English than in Hindi. But we still use standardised transliterations here, e.g. Wikipedia:Transliteration of Russian into English, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (China-related articles)#Romanization and tones. Instead of coming up with our own transliteration schemes, we should use one of those already prevalent (if not standardised) in order to reduce confusion and misinterpretation. Which is why I ask if there is any other published transliteration scheme that uses स़ for /z/.
-- Paddu 17:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
See, we are not using formal written Hindi (which, going even one step more, should be shuddh Hindi). My argument is that we are inviting people who are foreigners, who are learning Hindi, and they would write like this. We don't want to scare them off. And ये वो forms are valid in spoken Hindi and used in written Hindi too, though less frequently. They are certainly not contractions, with which you have compared.
Encyclopaedias are supposed to have formal language, which is what is mentioned in Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Contractions. ये and वो are certainly simpler-to-speak forms of यह and वह, if not contractions, and have always been informal. Of course foreigners who are learning Hindi should be allowed to contribute with whatever little they know of the language. Somebody else can come along and modify the language to sound formal. At least this is what is done at en:. There are people who aren't fluent in English who contribute here. Some others change the articles to use a formal language. Not every edit is required to follow the manual of style, but as time progresses the article is expected to conform to greater extents to the manual of style. See Wikipedia:Cleanup and Template:Copyedit. I'm sure just using loan words from Persian and Arabic doesn't make the language informal, but on the other hand, using slang formations and spoken-Hindi-only words, does. I'm OK with not using Sanskritised Hindi but not OK with using sland and spoken-only words.
And the ISO standard you have shown is about "transliteration of Indic characters (incl. Perso-Arabic) to Latin characters", and not of Perso-Arabic characters into Devanagari (it is clearly mentioned there). It says that current devanagari uses only five modified devnagari characters क़ ख़ ग़ ज़ फ़, and the others are personal schemes of John Borthwick Gilchrist [1804], [1810/1825] and various other works; and the dictionaries of Platts [1884], Forbes [1866], and Shakespear [1849].
That the same transliteration scheme has been used by so many people shows that people are more familiar with it. I wonder how your personal transliteration scheme (however "linguistically correct" it may appear to be to you) can be less confusing than the other published schemes. I was just asking if you can show some published scheme matching your scheme. You didn't do that. So you are doing original research, which is not allowed at en:, and which I'd presume shouldn't be allowed on hi: also, for the same reasons.
And you did not get my point: the problem is not that .स will fully "teach" all rural people how to pronounce /z/. If it will, it will be mistaken for /s/, which is valid and better than being otherwise mistaken for /j/. I don't know how much linguistics you know, but /s/ and /z/ are like sisters: voiceless and voiced alveolar fricatives, and frequently interreplace each other in most languages. Whereas j (/ɟ/ or /dʒ/)is too far of a relative. It is voiced postalveolar plosive or affricate. Thus, it is more acceptable for /z/ to be mispronounced as /s/ rather than /ɟ/.
IMHO one doesn't need to know linguistics in order to see that using different schemes for words derived from different languages is confusing. To me there appears to be no difference between trying to substitute ङ with some other symbol because people might confuse that with ड, and trying to substitute ज़ with some other symbol because people might confuse that with ज.
And as I said, we reserve the right to make such recommendation. In English wiki too, users only have contributed to such recommendations. Cygnus_hansa 21:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, users here have recommended to use standard schemes that are already published and well known. Your scheme doesn't appear to be well known. BTW you've already scared me off from hi:. We can stop this discussion if there is no change in the stance of either of us, since I can't afford to spend more time on hi: at the moment. I'm sure that eventually hi: will reflect the consensus among all the hi: contributors (which might be different from your and/or my views), which is how things should be. I'll just put a pointer to our discussions on hi:विकिपीडिया वार्ता:Guidelines for writing in Hindi. -- Paddu 22:20, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Hmm, probably I need to go a few more iterations to make a few things clear:
ये वो are not slangs and are used many a times in written Hindi too.
At least, I was taught not to use them in formal works (including my Hindi exams.) though we did make use of Persian loan words.
Further, it is the only 3rd person pronoun used in Urdu, which is not linguistically different from Hindi.
Since you mentioned Urdu, I'd like you to know there's a Urdu Wikipedia at ur:. Probably language that would be considered informal at hi: (well at least by me :)) might be formal in ur: and vice versa.
Contrary to your perceptions, ङ is never confused with ड...
Native Hindi people might not confuse them, but foreigners might. BTW it just occurred to me that even a person reading in English would pronounce "Switzerland" with a /z/ instead of /s/ unless the person knows how to pronounce words of German origin. [In spite of learning a little German, I still wrongly pronounce "Switzerland", "Einstein", etc. unless someone reminds me.] I don't think such mispronunciations can be easily eliminated. -- Paddu 23:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
There do exist Indians who pronounce "house" with an /s/, not a /z/. I'd guess that has to do with their mother tongues not having /z/. -- Paddu 10:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Box issues in hindi wikipedia

French wikipedia, everything is fine
French wikipedia, everything is fine
Hindi wikipedia, gap b/w boxes very large, boxes not properly aligned.
Hindi wikipedia, gap b/w boxes very large, boxes not properly aligned.

Here are a few screenshots to explain the box issues. My screen resolution is 1280x800. I don't have such problems with any other wikipedias. Hopefully, the problem will be easy to solve for you. Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats!

The Barnstar of Life
Awarded by deeptrivia for awesome work done on Hindi grammar and other Hindi related articles. deeptrivia (talk) 16:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey Magicalsaumy. Congrats for admission into UIUC. I also just realized that you've done a big amount of work on Hindi grammar, which definitely deserves appreciation. Also, I was wondering how wikipedia can be more popularized in India, especially the vernacular language versions. If you divide the number of articles in a given language wikipedia by the number of speakers of that language, I'm sure the Hindi wikipedia will be right at the bottom. Something needs to be done about it. A few months ago, I spammed many Hindi blogs (yeah, there are people who blog in Hindi regularly) asking them to contribute on Hindi wikipedia, but it didn't really help. I think all Indian wikipedians should find out ways to promote wikipedia in India, and probably college campuses will be a good place to start. Later, deeptrivia (talk) 16:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latine Articuli Audibiles

Salve, mi amici! I have just listened to your article on Ecclesia Catholica, and I wonder if you would object if I were to rerecord sometime? Your pronunciation seemed a bit shaky at times... Dev920 22:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi wikipedia

I thank you for your message available in this section of my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bhadani#A_message_to_User:Timwi

Apako sandesh ke liye sadhiwaad. Main awashya Hindi wikipedia mein yogadaan karunga. Subhekachha ke sath, apaka hee - --Bhadani 10:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Romani writing systems

Hi! I copied most of MediaWiki:Edittools from hi: to rmy: it looks good also for Romani wikipedia. In the meantime I improved the article Romani writing systems, to make some facts clear, since some people, including some Roma, don't know exactly why Romani in Devanagari. All the best, Desiphral देसीफ्राल 10:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I did not put yet in the article all the variants of the voyelles, maybe later. Desiphral देसीफ्राल 10:48, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi wiki

You: Thanks for your offer of services. Please do check the respective categories on Hindi wiki before creating stubs. Please do not stop in your contributions. Cygnus_hansa 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Me: Yes. --Bhadani 13:36, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome message on Hindi wikipedia

Hey Magicalsaumy, I have a feeling that the overwhelming welcome message on the Hindi wikipedia scares newbies off, or at least puts them on the defensive. Can we make it more personalized, and more welcoming and encouraging? Of course, they can be pointed to all the rules of style throught a link. deeptrivia (talk) 15:35, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Colleges at Varanasi

Hi, I am reverted back my edits. Please see the talk page and inform me at the discussion page for further discussion.--Anupam Srivastava 15:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Talk:Varanasi

[edit] Thanks for मौलिक पदक

Many thanks for appreciation.

Mitul0520 01:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC) (http://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B8%E0%A4%A6%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AF:Mitul0520)

[edit] Characters on MediaWiki

Hi Cygnus, I have no idea how IPA or IAST charaters work! Nonetheless, if the task is simple I can do it. There may be better alternatives, such as asking on the MediaWiki_talk:Edittools page.

Also I have a request for the "Guide to writing in Hindi" page. We should state which english Hindi Wiki will follow, British or American. Eg. New pronounced as न्यू or नू, answer pronounced as आन्सर or ऐन्सर etc.?

[edit] Request

I think I've done it. Please confirm. GizzaChat © 11:56, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aupmanyav

Hi, Cyrus Mr. Aupmanyav seems to believe that atheism is a Hindu view, which I strongly disagree.

As you has seen in my arguments with him, he wants his own point of view.

Regards, Raj2004 23:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Yes, cyrus it's like secular Christianity in the West. People who go to church on Sunday but break most of the Ten Commandments the other days. (adultery, etc.)

Thanks, Raj2004 00:54, 15 July 2006 (UTC) sorry, Cygnus

Raj2004 12:59, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Cygnus, aupmanyav is at again. see his response to your reply. Now he claims monotheism is a sin against the Vedas!

Raj2004 10:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Cyngus, I guess you can give up on Mr. aupmanyav! See his latest comment.

Raj2004 10:01, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sanskrit loanwords

Hey Magicalsaumy,

I've seen you contributed to Sanskrit and I'd like to ask you to take a look at something. I'm pretty desperate right now. It might not be your subject, but if you look at the discussion here (it's mainly about the difference between "inherited" and "borrowed" lexicon, applicable to any language), you will be able to form an opinion and maybe help me.

If you know some other qualified wikipedians, I'd be glad if you could point this page out to them. Thanks, Krankman 14:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Dates at Hindi Wikipedia

I am little bit confuse with the use of dates in hindi wikipedia. What is the standard? You suggest to use english numbers (1,2,3..) instead of hindi (१,२,३..), and write dates as 2 मई 2006. In signatures, timestamp is still formatted using hindi numbers (e.g. ०३:५९, २६ जून २००६ (UTC)). There are pages for the years with hindi numbers like २००३, मार्च ८ etc. Could you clarify please. Personally, I am with you about using dates with english numbers. Do we need a general discussion with other sysops too?

Mitul0520 20:48, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I am in favor of using international format. Can you please stress more on this point in your suggestions. I will work on making the pages according to international format.

Mitul0520 17:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] support my rfa for hindi wikipedia

विकिपीडिया प्रबन्धक बनने की मेरी विनती को समर्थन दे। Support my request for adminship.

Mitul0520 18:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for your support.
Mitul0520 20:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indic Naming Conventions

Hi, I just saw your edits on Hindi and thought Naming Conventions (Indic) may be of interest to you. Please leave your views. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 15:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Urdu

Hello Magicalsaumy. I recently read your edits in Urdu Talk page. There is currently some information on Urdu being written in the Devanagari script under the Writing System section. Could you please take the time to edit or review this information to see if it is correct. Please feel free to make changes at your disgression. Thanks. Jdas07 21:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindustani

Also, I noticed you made some corrections on the Hindi page (Grammar Section). Your input is more than welcome on the Hindustani page and Hindustani grammar page. Thanks again. Jdas07 22:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I hope you are not upset about the Hindustani grammar page. I was unaware that you wrote the article and that it was adapted from your Hindi grammar page. I found the original Hindustani grammar page at User:Moszczynski/Hindustani grammar. Because the content was in a user page, I decided to place the content in a regular page. The current Hindustani grammar page cites "Hindustani Grammar by Moszczynski with revisions by Jdas07 and Kitabparast" as its source (See Talk:Hindustani_grammar). I will make note that the article was adapted from the Hindi grammar page created by you. The current Hindustani grammar page was already reformated from the Hindi grammar page as it included the Nastaliq script. Me and a few others adapted the page to make it more suitable to Hindustani (both Hindi and Urdu. The page currently serves as the main grammar page for Hindustani and Urdu. Sorry if this caused you any disappointment. Also, thanks for reviewing the Urdu page and correcting the spelling of my last name on my user page. It is greatly appreciated. Thanks again for everything. Jdas07 17:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations then. That is a highly regarded university here. What field will you be studying? Jdas07 18:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering if you were still going to make some additions to the Hindustani grammar article as you did to the Hindi grammar article. Please let me know if you are willing to do this. Thanks in advance. Jdas07 05:11, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a note that I responded on my talk page to keep consistent. - Taxman Talk 15:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm. Batch of 99, Mechanical, H3. What about you? - Ghushe 11:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi Names

Hi Magicalsaumy! I was just wondering, can you tell me what is my name in Hindi, I began to be intersted in the Indian region and the Hindi language, and I was just asking can you translate my name which is Abdullah Geelah in Hindi,and can you write it in my userpage where the section of my name in different languages is (if you know another language apart from the ones on my userpage feel free to post it on), I would be extremely grateful if you do!!!Abdullah Geelah 18:30, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It is pronounced both ways but usually it is pronounced like the g in go

[edit] Suggestion for Hindi Main Page

This is suggestion I got from Purnima Verman

एक सुझाव है। हिंदी विकीपीडिया में 'मुख्यपृष्ठ' लिखा है जो ग़लत है। सही शब्द 'मुखपृष्ठ' होता है जैसा कि संस्कृत और मराठी विकिपीडिया में है और अभिव्यक्ति/अनुभूति में भी। इसे हो सके तो जल्दी से जल्दी ठीक करवा दें।
पूर्णिमा वर्मन

I support this and is logical. Please treat it as high priority and make the change.

Also, you seem to be the only active admin of the Hindi wikipedia. Lets have a chat/meet with other active contributors and sysops. I can work towards having a formal agenda. Let me know if it is possible.

[edit] Palatalized letters in Devanagari

Hi! I'm wondering which would be the best way to write palatalized sounds in Devanagari. A user from Slovakia wants to put local placenames in Devanagari text at the Romani Wikipedia and he needs to write IPA "lʲ" and IPA "tʲ". And in the future I suppose that users from Spain and Hungary would need letters for "nʲ" and "gʲ". The single standing letter being "ञ", the only idea I have to write other palatalized consonants is to add "य़" or simply "य", writing ल्य़, त्य़. What do think about it? Thanks, Desiphral-देसीफ्राल talk-फेन मा 20:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Danda issue

For Wikipedias in Devanagari or any Indian script for that matter, should the "danda" ie) full stop have a space preceding it? Eg. मैं सुन्दर हूं । मैं सुन्दर ह। ? GizzaChat © 10:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seeking help about IPA

[edit] Seeking help and contribution

Dear Wikipedians,

We apreciate your valuable contribution in article named Wikipedia:Indic transliteration scheme on english WIkipedia.

We at Marathi Language wikipedia do not have enough expertise to update IPA related info in our article, specialy we have been unable to import/update IPA templates and do not know how to use IPA symbols.Please click here-this link- to provide help to update "IPA transliteration for Indic Languages" article for Marathi wikipedia

We seek and request for help in updating above mentioned article and would like to know relevant resources and refferences in respect of Devanagari and IPA .

Thanks and Regards

Mahitgar 16:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for IPA help

Thanks for responding to our help call for IPA article on Marathi Wikipedia.Your contribution is very usefull to us. Regards Mahitgar 15:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{UttarPradesh-geo-stub}}

Hi ! I put an image to the above template and amazingly the image does not show up!! Not very familiar with templates perhaps you can help?? =Raja Yoga controversy= Dear Hinduism Project editors,

There is a controversy on the Hinduism regarding Raja Yoga. Please read the debate on the Hinduism discussion page. Your comments are requested on the Hinduism discussion page to help resolve the controversy. Thank you. HeBhagawan 15:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)IrfanAli 09:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] IPA help

Hi! Can you help make the pronunciation section on Babar the Elephant into IPA, especially the French pronunciation? Thanks! Mar de Sin Speak up! 00:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! I see that the section was rather confusing. I think that the first pronunciation given shouldve been English, since I thought it said that it was the original English pronunciation but with a shift to a different one. I'll try to look more into it. Thanks! Mar de Sin Speak up! 15:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the "z" in Devanagari

Hello, in your proposed transliteration scheme from Roman to Devanagari, you stated that the ज़ should technically be a स़. However, is the latter ever used or is it something that you created? If it isn't used very much then it shouldn't be used on Wikipedia. Though I realise the "z" sound is closer linguistically to the "s," in many dialects of Hindi, the English z is pronounced exactly like a j. eg. sight najar, subjee

On another note, Hindi Wiki has 3000 article! When Jimbo recently went to an Indian Wikimeet, he address the slow growth of Indian languages. Now Bengali and Kannada Wikis have 10000 articles. GizzaChat © 10:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Diwali

Hello Cygnus Hansa. I just wanted to wish you a Happy Diwali. It's been nice working with you on Wikipedia. I hope you are enjoying your term at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. With regards, AnupamTalk 00:13, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Help on Hindi wiki

I created the Hindi pages for hi:जीढोग़ बागस ओका (Gedong Bagus Oka) and hi:परिषद हिंदु धर्म (Parisada Hindu Dharma). Could you make sure the titles are the right spellings and what not, and maybe translate a bit? Right now I use Shabdkosh for words, because I dont speak Hindi well.Bakaman Bakatalk 15:48, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh Jadui Saumi,

Oh Jadui Saumi,

Musibat se ye HeBhagawan ka sansar chal raha hai. Aap Jara Talwar Nikalne se pahile thoda please sochiye ga.

By the way, Happy New Year. Swadhyayee 17:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Yaar Saumiji,

Aap ko to samjane aana hi chahiye. Aap to Chinmaya Mission ke bagal se Chem. Engg. kiya hai. Hava bhi aap ko to Chinmaya Mission se ho kar aai hongi.

Ab mera jaghada chal raha hai HeBhagawan se. Aap pl. thoda line me aa jayenge?. Mera jaghada khatam hone se aap shuru karenge to jitne ka chance achcha rahenga.

Aap to sr. lag rahe ho. Yeh article Hinduism ko mat chhedo nahin to HeBhagawan ka dil tut jayega. Woh kahin aap ka padoshi hi dikhta hai. Chinmaya Mission ka nahin honga to Ramkrishna Mission, Khar ka honga. Iscon ka nahin lag raha hai.

Aap ko subh kamana ye. Mera Hindi aap ke jaisa nahin honga par dil ki baat to samj gayen honge.

Swadhyayee 17:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hinduism article

Magicalsaumy, I agree with your comments on the article Hinduism. I think many have changed the good work we did.

Raj2004 01:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Please go through this id http://www.helppoojafindherparents.org/ Rgds Kirtilal 13:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Have you placed it on south Indian forum/community of Wikipedia.

swadhyayee 13:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For The God's sake will you see the discussion at Hinduism?

For The God's sake will you & Raj see the discussion at Hinduism? (Caste - Dalit etc.)swadhyayee 16:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. As and when you are seeing some discussion there and if, convenient pl. place a one or two line clearly worded comment. It's unbecoming that all non-sense is included and my single handed effort to bring sanity fails to yield results because of person supporting than merit supporting. I am requesting you as I understand you had worked on this article and have felt that article is taking some wrong direction. swadhyayee 07:30, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest. Just see NinzEliza's comment on talk page of HeBhagawan and HeBhagawan's invitation to her. Just see her registration date and ability to comment on Hinduism caste matter.

swadhyayee 07:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you for providing the references, great job and keep up the great work.__Seadog ♪ 05:39, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Psychology

To avoid misunderstanding I'll preface these remark by saying that they are meant half in jest. With that disclaimer:

  • I think the HS203 profs. would be quite hurt to hear you claim that psychology is a study of the mind/psyche, rather than behaviour.
  • The remaining psychology community (esp. with neuroscience grounding) will object to your claim that study of psychology is (as opposed to was) subjective. Do read, for example, Francis Crick's The Astonishing Hypothesis or Patricia Churchland's "Brain-Wise: Studies in Neurophilosophy" for a different perspective. :-) Abecedare 07:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


Malshe is a very interesting guy, but he is not a psychologist or a researcher in the field. Anyway, I would point out that UIUC has a top 5 psychology department and would recommend that try some courses there (they make a great beak from Engg courses!). Lumping psychology with other social sciences like literature, or even linguistics is an error IMO. It is no physics, but has moved a lot closer to biology since the wayward days of Freud. Abecedare 07:22, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindu

Hi, Magicalsaumy I was wondering whether you or other editors can replace the image (i.e., Khajuraho at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu#Religion_for_the_common_Hindu with a non-sexual image? It gives the wrong impression about the article, religion for the common Hindu.

Thanks, Raj2004 17:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Hinduism#Satwik_.26_Gau_Puja.

Aupmanyav doesn't consider you as a Hindu! GizzaChat © 12:02, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

DaGizzaaaaaa...., Will you pl. stop adding fuel to fire? swadhyayee 15:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think he has a right to know. Nobody should be able to get away with comments like those if they are not true. GizzaChat © 21:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

DaGizza,

I do not know what comments Aupmanyav made but DaGizza dear, you could have waited till Magicalsaumy sees them or if you were so hurt, you could have alerted some other way or put a note of protest to Aupmanyav. Pl. help in preventing harsh personal attacks. Bye Dear and Thanks. swadhyayee 03:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Msg on hi wiki

I sent u a msg on hi wiki, I'm dealing with a impersonator/vandalism/troll on there who you need to blockBakaman 23:56, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I havent been too active there, my hindi isnt too good.Bakaman 02:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Baka, what's this new marketing? Take it easy. swadhyayee 04:05, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought it the other way. swadhyayee 04:08, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Hinduism#Super-review_of_article

Hi, please see this. I am hoping that the Hinduism editors can finally discuss the article formally section by section. More information is given there. Thanks GizzaChat © 10:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Hindu

Have you taken a look at this ? Aupmanyav has been fighting a almost lone (and possibly losing) battle here and again here. Thought I'd bring it to your notice, since this may be within your area of interest and expertise. Abecedare 15:41, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note for hindi wiki

I created hi:Template:जीवनचरित-स्टब for biography stubs on hindi wiki. I'm just trying to get the word around, as there seems to be only a handful of contributors. It pains me that we have so little to show for 400 million people and such great figures like Amir Khusro, Kabir and Tulsidas.T*E*H Kingrom 03:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hindi Spellings

I am a little confused by how the chotee ee maatraa is being used and displayed in the Hindi wikipedia. The chotee ee maatra is always applied before the consonant not after. For example जीवनचरित (pronounced jeevancharati) in the post above should really be spelt जीवनचिरत (pronounced jeevancharit). Even Hindi is spelt Hanidi. I am confused! Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

PS. I just realized what the problem is. I was using Mozilla earlier, on the Internet browser spellings come out looking right and mine come out as mistakes! Hmm. How do I read Hindi on Mozilla Firefox correctly? Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I didn't state the problem correctly. In Mozilla jeevancharit was appearing as jeevanchariti (although it appeared correctly on Internet explorer); when I corrected it in Mozilla, it looked fine there, but began to appear as जीवनचिरत (jeevanchirat) on Internet explorer! Anyway, I think your answer (about options etc) should clear things up. Thanks. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laloo yadav

This edit [8] is in poor taste. Please be WP:CIVIL and not air personal remarks on wikipedia. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

{subst:npa4} {subst:defwarn} Ikon |no-blast 13:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seeking opinion from regular editors on reference pattern

References: Notes and citations section; change in reference and notes temporarily ceased; WP:FOOT says I am not doing wrong; Separate Notes and Citation sections

Opinion is sought from regular editors of the article Hinduism regarding the splitting of Notes and references section. This is a short gist of the discussions going on in the above mentioned talk links: Having a separate "Notes" (for explanatory remarks) and "Citations" (for direct citations), although permitted, is relatively rare in Wikipedia, and also in academic journals. The main rationale behind doing this is to distinguish a series of explanatory remarks from the series of citations (please see Rabindranath Tagore, Demosthenes for examples).

This sandbox gives a glimpse of how the article would look if we split the sections (the sandbox is under work, so may not be perfect). This link shows how the article looks with combined section. This may give an idea how it looked when I started working on references. I converted many references to Harvard format, apart from splitting the sections.

Opinion for regular editors are sought regarding the application of splitting of two section for this article. Please do so in Talk:Hinduism in the section Talk:Hinduism#Seeking_opinion_from_regular_editors_on_reference_pattern. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 04:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] why ?

I would like to know why did u edit 'Boyars in india 'page. what bothers you ?

I have got valid info from many websites, books and Historians .

If u have any info on the same we shall share.

Enough of discrimination from various religious sects and now its you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.248.182 (talk) 09:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

What bothers me is simply that it was nonsense and did not conform to WP NPOV or facts. I also know much about history and it is totally ridculous to claim that Boyars came from India. I saw that you have also started making Linguistic arguments, and mind you, I am very much into historical linguistics, and I clearly saw your arguments crap.Cygnus_hansa 18:33, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

You are in america u don't know much about other caste, that too u r chemical engineer and aryan as well what do you know about dravidians. better keep off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.214.31.28 (talk) 10:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoever you are anonymous, you are being stupid and unreasonable. I have more knowledge of Linguistics, History and religion and society than all your previous seven and future seven generations combined.Cygnus_hansa 03:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kashmir

Dear Magicalsaumy, I have replied to your post on my talk page. I couldn't help but notice that unique combination of great humility and vast erudition that you bring to Wikipedia. Yours in admiration, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 07:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Grammar of Modern Standard Hindi

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