Talk:Magical objects in Harry Potter/Archive 1

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Irrelevant Entries in Sweets

For some inane reason, there's a recipe of Acid Pops under it's entry... As is the same for cockroach clusters... 70.242.64.233 18:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Addition under Marauder's map

I failed to understand the meaning of this addition...

  • I think it is just an extension of the description of that particular scene regarding the map, meaning that (during that scene): "Professor Snape also was confiscating the map to Harry, but Professor Lupin (just arrived on the scene) receives the map in his hands and promptly takes it with him (maybe avoiding that Snape could use it to investigate about the movements of someone), later giving it back to Harry.". Anyway, in my opinion, the addition does not seem important and could be deleted. Otherwise we could change by the above rewording. What about? 195.110.149.139 16:57, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

VfD's

I've merged in the content from Put-Outer & Spellotape after closing the VfD's on those articles as Speedy Merges. Could someone more familiar with the books take a look at those entries and make sure they are in line with the rest of the page? -- Essjay · Talk 09:51, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Veratiserum

It's clear that Umbridge tries to give Harry Veratiserum by mixing it into a cup of tea but he never drinks it because Moody's paranioa rubbed off on him, so I don't know of anything to suggest that Snape provided a fake potion.

Dumbledore tells Harry Snape provided a fake during his end of year pep talk...If you can't trust Dumbledore who can you trust?

Jarwulf 02:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Transportation

Would the Knight Bus and Hogwarts Express be fit to add to the transportation section or are they more vehicles than objects?--Daveswagon 00:24, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Why don't make another page regarding only magical transportation??Apparition and Hogwarts Express just don't seem to be magical "objects"

Maurauders' middle names

Lupin's middle name is verified here: http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrwbd.shtml I have not added his middle name back in, however, as that sort of detail belongs (and already is) in the Remus Lupin article, not in every single article that ever mentions him. --Icarus 05:41, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Note to anyone intending on splitting off a section

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As a result, anyone who intends to split a section out of this page should be aware that, as of 21 September 2005, the following sections were linked to from the following pages:

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{{CoS}}

I think any links to other books need to have at least the partial book title, ie "Chamber of Secrets" and not "CoS", for the sake of clarity. Further, using a template such as {{CoS}} is basically the same as using a redirect, which would be more appropriate as redirects consume less system resources than transcluded templates. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 15:17, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

This will need to be the case from now on, as Template:CoS is up for deletion and there is consensus to delete. I've no doubt that the other templates (Template:PoA, Template:GoF etc.) will end up on templates for deletion in due course, and so we should start minimising use of these now. A stitch in time saves nine. Rob Church Talk | FAD 08:52, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Where should the FORD ANGLIA be added here or at the magical creatures page?

Wrong Links

The "Nicholas Flamel" needs to be redirected to "Nicholas Flamel (Harry Potter)". Yauhin 01:41, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Just a note that this has already been done (cleanup?) -Mayuresh 11:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Ford Anglia

What about the Weasley's car?--23prootie 06:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Map's password

Is there any mention in the books about how Fred and George figured out how to operate the map? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 00:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Deathly Hallows

Is it alright if I add information on objects from Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows? Its already been leaked, and certain things can be added without spoilers, such as that the "Put-Outer" is called a Deluminator. Anything that would contain spoilers can be marked appropriately.Firestorm 04:12, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

moody's eye and harry's cloak

if, being a deathly hallow, harry's cloak gives him "perfect invisibility", how come it is not immune to alastor's magic eye? Andrewb1 23:41, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I forgot why, but the reason is mentioned in the book.--Tempest115 16:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't recall it being mentioned - it was however mentioned that with Harry's (Hallow) cloak one could go completely undetected from anybody or thing. This may be a soft retcon, as we know that Harry was 'sensed' a number of times when wearing the cloak in previous books... or was he?!? [MUHAHA - the beauty of a retcon!). Tinkstar1985 11:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: Add "Plot Spoiler"

I'm reading the first Harry Potter. When looking up the Mirror of Erised, I noticed (before I could avert my eyes) details from future books. I would like to suggest a Wikipedia:Spoiler warning be added to the section. I'd add it myself, but first want to get feedback from others; and second, have fear of inadvertently reading more while editing.

My opinion would be that looking up information on in-universe items, you can only expect to find spoilers since the items themselves are, by definition, spoilers. No reason notifying people of this, IMO. Lilac Soul (talk • contribs • count) 07:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible ways to shorten article

The whole letters and marks section can be removed as they are not really objects. The sweets section is overkill and could be condensed into a simple list or maybe table. Also I know that some of the other items have their own dedicated pages. Csloomis 04:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing objects?

Just wondering why some objects have been excluded?

  • Moody's Magical Eye
  • Memos (at the Ministry of Magic)
  • Fiend Fire
  • Spell checking quill
  • Sirius'/Hagrid's motorbike
  • Weasley's Ford Anglia

Tinkstar1985 11:30, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I think they could all be added... Have a go! The Anglia has been suggested elsewhere might be a creature, but it's no more a creature than the Sorting Hat IMO. Andrewa 01:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

the magic tent

I think another object that deserves mention, though Rowling does not give it a specific name, is the magic tent in which Harry, Ron, and Hermione live in for several months in the last novel. When inflated it includes a chair, three beds, a kitchen, and a bathroom (which apparently conjures up its own water), yet it can collapse into Hermione's magic purse when they travel. I think it was one of Rowling's most clever ideas (though possibly inspired by the TARDIS in "Doctor Who") that simultaneously conjures up images of homelessness while allowing the trio to live fairly comfortably. CharlesTheBold 03:27, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

well, i dont know if its anything other than just a bewitched tent, like the ministry cars they travel in, they're described to be much bigger on the inside than you can se from the outside ϲнʌɴɗɩєʀ 03:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Obviously an Undetectable Extension Charm, so it is not a magical object at all. •Malinaccier• T/C 20:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Too long

I notice that this article is currently 66 kilobytes long, and is rightly flagged with a toolong template.

I also note with some amusement that Put-Outer, Spellotape and List of wands in Harry Potter have all, in practice, been merged into this article, each as a result of AfD nominations. I haven't looked up the debates, but it seems to me that the old version of Put-Outer was a useful short article just needing some TLC, and the old version of Spellotape was a useful stub which could in time have been expanded to say just how Spellotape was used on each occasion. So in glorious hindsight, would anyone like to revisit these decisions?

The question of wands is a little more complex, perhaps the list wasn't the best idea, but how about a wands in Harry Potter article or something similar?

What links here shows some other useful stubs (not always flagged as stubs admittedly) have also been merged: Mirror of Erised was very short but could be expanded; Sorting Hat was longer and also plenty of room for expansion. Marauder's Map was already a good read, again with room for expansion, as was Pensieve.

Whether or not we decide to reverse these particular merges, we should also look at other possible splits. Otherwise, we are going to be deleting content. Wikipedia is not paper, so it's a shame to lose content.

Perhaps this article should even become List of magical objects in Harry Potter? Just a thought. Andrewa 07:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Sounds like a good idea -Mayuresh 22:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Original Research

I added an origonal research tag as it seems that a lot of the content of the article seems to be just that. Guest9999 22:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)]]

Can you be specific? The tag doesn't improve the article on its own, its function is to help others to improve the article. Are there particular sentences or phrases that you think need improving, but can't quite find the right changes to make yourself? Andrewa 01:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Merge in Gobstones

The Gobstones article has no notability, and is just a regurgitation of trivia from the various Harry potter books. Should be mentioned here. Judgesurreal777 05:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Dont Agree. Gobstones is a game, right? -Mayuresh 22:41, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, but a non-notable game that involves magical objects that could easily fit in this article. Judgesurreal777 16:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The The Goblet of Fire image

Is there any chance on using an image that wasn't taken with a camera from someone's TV screen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.184.241.144 (talk) 02:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge in Marauder's Map

Also has no notability on its own, has a much better notability grouped with the other objects. Judgesurreal777 21:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It does has notability on its own! ** ko2007 ** 22:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Really? explain. Judgesurreal777 06:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree with the merge, is better suited here. Gran2 15:45, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Merge Complete. Please review -Mayuresh 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Two more objects

I cant remember what they are called, but I remember two types of sweets/candy or some sort of sweet that when eaten

  • Allows the user to make animal noises (this is shown in one of the movies when Ron eats one of these and makes the sound of a lion)
  • gives a different flavour everytime (i faintly remember Dumbledore saying that he's always had bad luck with the flavours he gets. He finally has one, but ends up getting and ear-wax flavour) This one is called Every Flavour Beans and has already been covered (Mayuresh 16:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC))

Does anyone remember any details around this? -Mayuresh 16:25, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

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