Talk:Magic satchel

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I am unsure why the Wiki link to TARDIS is provided at the bottom when there is no mention of the TARDIS within the article. It does follow a related concept, but I think of a true magic satchel as an object that can be used to hold other items, not a spaceship in which the users can walk around. I think it should either be removed or some more rationale given to explain similarities and/or differences. I also don't see any major problems with cleanup. Perhaps the copy edit tag can be removed? ElinneaG 17:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, along with the other 'See also' articles, it's a theme not of holding things, but of extradimensional objects: The Bag of Holding, the Portable Hole, the TARDIS, and Hammerspace itself. SAMAS 00:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Examples section

The Examples section should either be significantly trimmed to a small list or moved to another articled titled, for example, "List of examples of the magic satchel". As it is, the section is excessive and makes the article tedious. Rintrah 15:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


What about examples from stage magic? The article talks about fictional things, and stage magic is quasi-fictional acts. I'm thinking mostly of unending clowns exiting a clown car, but there's also flocks of doves from a dinner serving tray, rabbits from hats, chains of kerchiefs from sleeves, and other gimmicks. Is there a name among magicians for that class of illusion? -- Mozai 19:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The phrase "magic satchel".

Unless I've missed it, I see no reference for the phrase "magic satchel" itself in the article. The examples refer to various "magic satchel-like" objects with different names. Is the phrase in common usage, or has someone just made it up for the article? If it's the latter, then I think it violates WP:NOR, and if it's the former then a references it needed. Deditos 12:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC).

I agree, I've never heard anyone refer to this concept as 'Magic Satchel', I hear and use the term 'Hammerspace'. I believe it is the latter and a better term should be used instead, with a reference. Something like this perhaps, although I'm not stating that as an official reference because I haven't really checked for credibility.--SquidMoose 06:49, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
I also have never heard of the term. This article oozes with OR. It hurts me so. No clue how to really fix it though.--SeizureDog 05:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
I guess putting back at Hammerspace is a start. At least that term exists...? Axem Titanium 19:34, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copy-edit

Copy-edited today, as requested. Tag now removed. thisisace 21:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hammerspace explanation

Can anybody actually supply an explanation of the origin, etc. of the term "Hammerspace" or "hammerspace", which is a common link to this article? Nothing is given -- and, in fact, the term is in the article several times, at least once recursing back to the article! (I'm going back in to fix that part, but I can't help on the main question here.)

Harper 13:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Videogame examples

That section is pretty pointless. These "examples" are just a generic selection and could be replaced with any other list of examples. Nearly every videogame in which a single character is controlled contains a "magic satchel". Giving that many lenghthy explanations for single games is just useless. I will remove it, if nobody gives a good reason for not doing so. --134.76.63.1 21:48, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I did not see this page when it listed these examples. Were they examples of games wherein the "magic satchel" is merely a convenience for the player/developer, or were there also examples given of games that have a magic satchel (or similar idea) as a specific item in the game? For instance, in the text adventure The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the player has an item that works like a magic satchel, but its function is never overtly stated, so the player may struggle at times with an overcrowded inventory until he or she figures out what to do with that item. Would cases like this be acceptable to mention here, or are they just like the examples that were excised from this article in the first place? --Modus Ponens (talk) 08:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was no consensus to move the page, per the discussion below. If there is no citable name ever used by any reliable sources to refer to this concept, that may be an indication that the topic of the article isn't notable. Lacking evidence of any such name, it wouldn't be helpful to move from one unverified title to a title that was already rejected due to a lack of verification. Dekimasuよ! 02:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Magic satchel → Hammerspace — According to #The phrase "magic satchel"., "magic satchel" does not exist outside Wikipedia. "Hammerspace" on the other hand, does. I realize that Hammerspace was AFD'd a while back but it's plainly obvious that it was much better than this OR-fest about a non-existent term. —Axem Titanium 22:20, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Distinguish diagetic and non-diagetic uses

I believe that the article should distinguish between diagetic and non-diagetic uses of the "magic satchel" concept. The "bag of holding" is a diagetic magic satchel; it is literally an established element of the story universe that this bag can hold more on its inside than a bag with similarly-sized outside could. Hammerspace is non-diagetic; the story universe does not actually posit any such thing as "hammerspace", but only presents mysteriously-appearing hammers which invite the question of where they appeared from. -- 209.6.177.176 (talk) 01:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Clown car

Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.216.225.111 (talk) 00:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Excellent point. I've put in a sentence to reference it; not sure more is needed. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 00:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Hammerspace" Word Origin

The name "hammerspace" is thought to have originated from the Nintendo Video game character Mario, who would often pull out a mallet from nowhere, to hit enemies.

Not to pick nits here, but in all my years of video gaming, I don't think I've ever seen Mario use a hammer. If I had to guess, I'd say "hammerspace" was more likely to originate with cartoons such as Tom and Jerry. 207.75.34.188 (talk) 00:26, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Mario uses a hammer... in Donkey Kong, where the Hammers hang over your head clearly visible. The term definetly does not come from Mario. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.45.178 (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Hammerspace i believe is based in Ranma 1/2. In the shows a character named akane routinely pulls a hammer(along with other instruments of destruction) out of nowhere and smashes the main character with it. --Talen Soti —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.4.171.182 (talk) 18:48, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hammerspace

This might sound like a strange question, but wasn't there a whole artical devoted to hammerspace? I'm sure that there was because there was a little cartoon showing a monkey explaining it and was a conisderable length as well. So if it has been merged with this one, how can an artical such as that be trimmed down to just two lines? Wild ste (talk) 23:56, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Batman (1960's TV Series)

Under "3.3 On Television", what about listing Batman's utility belt? He often had any item needed at a moment's notice and once even pulled out a Police riot shield that he had folded up and placed into one of the pockets. Of course, it was molded into the shape of a bat. Another notable item was the "Shark Repellent" from the 60's Batman movie, that he just so "happened" to have. These, along with any number of other things... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.110.81.102 (talk) 20:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)