Talk:Magic number (physics)

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[edit] Not Magic

I removed 6 and 14, they're not magic numbers, even according to the link provided.

I doubt that 2 is a magic number, because I know for certain that Helium has a far lower nucleus energy state than Deuterium. (Source: My Physics school book)

Interesting. My source is http://www.research.att.com/projects/OEIS?Anum=A018226. I'll check my physics textbooks to confirm, too. Giftlite 23:54, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)~

[edit] Belief

I believe the magic numbers refer to number of protons OR number of neutrons, not the sum. So Helium 4 is especially stable because it has both 2 protons and 2 neutrons.

A reference - http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nuclear/shell.html. Giftlite 01:12, 8 May 2004 (UTC)


"If the count of protons is one of those magic numbers, then a neutral atom has the same number of electrons , arranged into complete shells around the atomic nucleus."

Regardless of the magic in the nucleus , ANY neutral atom has the same number of electrons (as protons); and they are NOT necessary complete ELECTRONIC shells(ie noble gases). I have excized the previous DOUBLELY STUPID sentence. The electron, absent or not, have NOTHING to do with the stability of the nucleus (to any measurable extent).67.124.102.77 06:05, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Furthermore, the magic numbers for electrons are different than those of protons and nuetrons. That statement leads to the idea that a magically numbered atom is particularly stable electronically also, which is not the case.

[edit] What of three?

Friends, I have it on good authority that three is a magic number, yet it is missing from the list. Should the list be marked incomplete? 86.20.180.82 20:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No, 3 is not a magic number. What good authority? I have citable one. Say lecture notes : Nuclear and Particle Physics, University of Edinburgh - Dr Daniel Watts; or book : Introduction to Nuclear and Particle Physics 2nd Edition, A. Das and T. Ferbel. -- KTC 00:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original Research / Unverifiable Claims?

I'm not an expert on the subject, but the only cited source on the work of Xavier Borg is a Blaze Labs page. A Google Scholar search doesn't turn up any peer-reviewed papers by Xavier Borg, and also on Blaze Labs is another paper by the same author that claims to have a theory that allows the extraction of free energy from zero-point energy. This other paper is clearly not mainstream, so is there any related work in the scientific mainstream, or is this guy just crackpot? Should this section be in the article? Moocowpong1 05:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This particular work is in no way related to free energy, and closely related work on tetrahedral nuclear models can also be found in peer-reviewed work, like that of Joszef Garai (http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0309035)

http://www.garai-research.com/research%20statement/periodic%20table/text.htm

On whose page you can clearly see the acknowledgement note to Xavier Borg. So, it's neither original research, nor unverifiable claims. Also, you can find reference to other work from Blazelabs in Nasa Research papers as well.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.145.7.60 (talk) 09:39, February 5, 2008

[edit] Hassium

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but, based on what is in this article, how can Hassium-270 be doubly magic when neither 108 nor 162 are magic numbers? A good answer could be used to improve this article, so the next person doesn't have to ask :) Skittle 16:21, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Xavier Borg references are unpublished, non-mainstream articles of no original work. Magic numbers derive directly and completely from shell model. Xavier model is, on contrary, a rough simplistic classical (since Greeks) interpretation. This references are a clear attempt of self-promotion of a crackpot working in "free-energy". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.52.164.135 (talk) 13:22, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you read the ref., which is anpunished (not depublished). Other magic numera may be ±12-off or ±6-off. How do you think 114 came up when it's not even in the series? -lysdexia 11:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Anon IP 85.52.164.135, please stop vandalizing this page, and your offensive comments. There are several mainstream papers which regard the nucleus as a face-center cube (FCC) structure, and Xavier's model takes this a step further into a 4D simplex pair. The references in his papers are all mainstream. Also, you seem to be irritated by 'free energy' technologies. You may be surprised to know that free energy is not a crackpot science, but a very important research topic. Perhaps you are mistaking it with over unity which has got nothing to do with our research. (Blaze Labs Research (talk) 15:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC))