Talk:Magic in Negima

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[edit] Time Travel

It states that neither Eastern nor Western mages are capable of time travel. How would one take into account Chao's time traveling device Cassiopeia? Is that not time travel? Or is this such a special case? Regardless, there should be a mention of time traveling possibilities.

It is simply stated in the manga that time travel was not possible for both E&W mages when the Cassiopeia appeared. MythSearcher 07:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Chao stated in the Mandarin translation that she is able to create Cassiopeia using the combining force of "Science" and "Magic." This might suggest that Cassiopeia is not a "magic" creation, but a "science" one. 124.120.93.98 09:15, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Magic Canceller and Love Potions

I was thinking of a much simpler and less speculation-filled reason why Negi's love potion didn't work on Asuna, while the chocolates did.

As stated in the section in the Artifacts article, Negi's love potion had an [i]external[/i] effect, radiating out from the user. Instead of the user falling in love with someone, everyone would fall in love with the user. Instead of filling Negi and affecting him, it radiated out like an amorous TV signal, affecting Konoka, Ayaka, Nodoka, and the Cheerleaders. As Asuna is a magic canceller, she was basically blocking the signal.

In the case of the Chocolates, the effect is, like classic love potions, internal. The Magic Canceller wouldn't block it, because it was already past the defenses, like detonating a bomb inside the enemy fortress.

But for this to work, you would have to assume that Asuna's Magic Canceller is more like a skin-tight AT Field than any actual magic immunity.

[edit] Numbers on Pactio Cards

Just a small thing here. It says that, in the case of Negi's class, the characters have their class numbers on the pactio card. I think it should be stated that not only the girls have this. After all, Albireo has one too. (MI, or 1,001). I'd be willing to add or change anything, but I would like to know if anyone agrees or disagrees. CrazyNekoRun 07:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other Techniques and Spells

Should we cover other concepts and techinques used in Negima, such as the various Ninja techniques, Setsuna's sword strikes, Kotoro's Inugami attacks, Mana's Rankansen, or the Tankahou technique used by Asuna and Takahata? I'm sure some of these, if not all, are worthy of inclusion; at least the ones covered in the spell lexicons featured in the backs of each volume. TwilightxPrince 23:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

This article also lack information on the "Eastern" spells or technique use in the comic. I think we should at least cover that far. Also, I think Ninja techniques deserved there own article, because Shinmei-Ryū had been allowed to have their own article, containing many of its technique. 124.120.93.98 09:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FUNimation spell translation

would it be necessary to make special mention of the spell liberties taken by the Funimation translation for certain spells? Spells with arguable titles are likely confuse non-fans of the series (Nagi's activation key "Manman terroterro" to "Manamana arepe arepe" for example).

It should be noted that even among the fan-base, some obscure spells are often easy to confuse by those without high-language skills. Such a difficulty could further de-rail non-fans reading the page. WickedKnightAlbel 10:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spell Lists

I have removed the list of Western Magic spells. Instead of spell lists, it is best to discuss the magic more abstractly. KyuuA4 (talk) 10:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Which is ironic, as the spells have the least original research of the entire article. SAMAS (talk) 23:43, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Although I understand your concern, it's a drastic changes of direction for this page (As far as I can see.) Further more, the information still kept in this page is not only a diversion from the "main" forms of Magic being used in the series, it also lack credible sources compare to the spell list (Which is listed and introduced in original work.) This article will became purely "original research" if it only discuss the magic in abstract, or in current form in-world theories.

Maybe this pages should undergo renamed (such as " Forms of Magical ability in Negima") or separated into different pages. However, as a new comer to Wikipedia, I am not familiar with regulation rules, so can anyone who is more familiar to the community rules here take a look and see how we can make this page better?

--Marlon unknown (talk) 13:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

See WP:FICT. Looking at the lists of the individual magic spells, they do not seem rather notable for individual mention. However, looking at the magic classes may be worthwhile. KyuuA4 (talk) 04:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, now we can get into some "real" discussion regrinding what should be done to the page now. First of all, it's true that individual spells are not "noticeable" for mention as an important aspect of the fictional story. However, magic "classes" technically dose not exist in the story, unless it's not directly mention by the comic itself. All we know that there is several different schools and elements of magic being used, and there are differences between East and Western magic. Though the comparison between Eastern and Western magic is noticeable in a sense, but all we got is about five chapters of explanation withing the comic itself. Sure, the comic did directly address to several issues such as Magic can't time travel, or importance of "activation chant" (which you deleted) and the various use of "Magic arrows." (which is address in the spell list too.) But picking those pieces together and made them into a "theory" for magic shown up in this fiction will really be improper for a Encyclopedias.

Furthermore both Magic Canceling and Magic Vampiring are 1) magical related ability that is outside of the usual form of magic use by most of the characters 2) unique to certain character, thou is better being treat as a noticeable character attribute , 3) dose not being directly explain in the story, thou can only be "infer" from various dialog, which is on the border of original research. I personally think that, if abilities such as Magic Canceling and Vampiring is allowed in this page, then the use of Chi power and all the other "supernatural" ability will need to be included in the articles. Of course, we certainly can come up a way to classified the various magic shown up in the story so that it will be noticeable as an key elements in the story itself, but there is no published sources contain such information. Now we only got some "noticeable and unique ability in Negima" that is not very proper for the current title of the page.

Anyway, the same topic pages in Japanese use various list of special technique and spells to explain the various aspect of magic in Negima, will that be more acceptable concerning Wikipedia's standard? --Marlon unknown (talk) 29 February 2008 (UTC)

As is stands, the article now appears to be pretty much completely original research. The only reference is the the Latin translations, and they are no longer in the article anyway. Of course, a page entitled List of spells in Negima would probably be AFD'd on sight. Shiroi Hane (talk) 15:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pactio Heading?

Should we have an entire heading with just the link to the Pactio article under it, or should we just link to it in the Magic in Negima article? Foggen (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)