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there is already another conflicting version at Madhva. i think that should be merged into this. pamri 14:13, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)

Please don't cite sources in the article itself. Either do it here or ignore it or add it in the external links. pamri 12:22, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Pictures 2 Sarvadarsana Sangraha 2.1 On Sarvadarsanasamgraha and Madhvacharya 3 Madhvacharya and Madhavacharya 4 Incarnations 5 Headline text 6 comarisions to mainstream hinduism changed 7 Quality of the article needs to improve 8 'dvaita' and 'madhvacharya' 9 Names and Avatars 10 Names and Avatars 11 Madhva Religious Figures 12 WikiProject class rating

[edit] Pictures

According to this site's(http://www.sanskrit.org/Madhva/madhva.html) editor, these images are in the Public Domain. But am putting some better pictures. pamri 13:01, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

done. pamri 14:19, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sarvadarsana Sangraha

PROBLEM HERE: MADVACARYA DIDN'T WRITE THE SARVADARSANA SANGRAHA. IT WAS WRITTEN BY MADHVACARYA (NOTE THE "A" AFTER THE "M"), AN ADVAITIN SCHOLAR WHO CHAMPIONED SANKARA. - 152.163.100.7

I also have my doubts whether this madhvacharya wrote this work. This posting too states the same thing. pamri 14:19, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] On Sarvadarsanasamgraha and Madhvacharya

I indeed committed a blunder. Both pamri and 152.163.100.7 are correct; Madhvacharya, the exponent of dvaida-vada (dualism) did not write Sarva-darsana-sangraha. Madhavacharya, the monist, authored it. As can be seen from the following quotations, Madhvacharya and Madhavacharya belonged to two diametrically opposite systems of thought. Consequently, the information related to Lokayata should be shifted to the page of Madhavacharaya from the page of Madhvacharya. But as of now, there is no page on Madhavacharya in Wikipedia. If you search, you are redirected to the page of Madhvacharya. This is to be corrected, perhaps by the administrators.

For the benefit of wikipedia users who might have been misled by the text I added, I quote some texts from three authoritative books in support of my latest changes.

“The systems are arranged from the Vedanta point of view – our author having been elected, in AD 1331, the head of the Smarta order in the Math of Sringeri in Mysore territory, founded by Sankara Acharya, the great Vedantist teacher of eighth century….” (Preface by E.B.Cowell, one of the English translators of “The Sarva-darsana-sangraha” Page viii, Motilal Banarasidas Publishers, Delhi)

“Madhava’s sarvadaarsanasamgraha (AD 1380) sketches sixteen systems of thought so as to exhibit a gradually ascending series, culminating in the Advaita Vedanta (or non-dualism)” (S.Radhakrishnan, Page 48, Indian Philosophy, Oxford University Press, New Delhi, 11th impression, 2004)

“Madhva’s theory is called dvaita-vada, the doctrine of plain dualism. According to this, God is only the efficient cause of creation. This God is conceived mythologically as Visnu who, whenever he becomes incarnate, has Vayu, the air-god, as his son. Madhva himself is said to be an incarnation of Vayu, who came to earth to destroy the followers of Sankara and all their teaching. This is mythology, of course, but the extreme reaction agains the abstract monism of Sankara is quite evident in it” (Debiprasad Chattopadhyaya, Page 72, Indian Philosophy – a Popular Introduction, People’s Publishing House, New Delhi, 7th edition 1993)

I would like to point out here that Sarva-darsana-sangraha itself doesn’t contain the 16th chapter (Advaita Vedanta or the System of Sankara), absence of which is explained by a paragraph at the end of the 15th chapter (The Patanjali-Darsana). It says: “The system of Sankara, which comes next in succession, and which is the crest-gem of all systems, has been explained by us elsewhere, it is therefore left untouched here” (Page 273, The Sarva-darsana-sangraha, Motilal Banarasidas Publishers, Delhi) MANOJTV 08:10, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Madhvacharya and Madhavacharya

Many people are still seem to be confused (as I was until the mistake was pointed out to me by the users pamri and 152.163.100.7) about the identity of Madhvacharya and Madhavacharya, using their names interchangebly. This is not correct. They belonged to different systems of philosophy and belong to different period. For clarity I give the major differences between these men. At present I do not have much information on these philosophers.

Madhvacharya	Madhavacharya
Propounder of Dvaita philosophy	Exponent of Advaita philosophy
Associated with Udupi Maths	Head of the Smarta order in the Math of Sringeri

MANOJTV 08:59, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incarnations

What is the source for this ?

I find it a little curious. According to Hindu scriptures, Hanuman is believed to be an immortal (chiranjeevi). Further, in Mahabharata, Hanuman and Bhima meet with each other. So they cannot be incarnations in the normal sense.

Or is 'avatars' used here in some other sense ? (Comment by User:Tintin1107.

Madhva philosophy believes most of their saints like Madhvacharya, Raghavendra swami, Purandaradasa are incarnations of Gods/saints/heroes that appear in Vaishnavite scriptures/mythologies (like the Mahabaratha). Just check any one of the links and you should be able to find a source. I will try to add a footnote/link later.

Of course, if you can believe in incarnations, you can also believe those two incarnations can meet each other. And incarnations don't happen in the normal sense. :-) pamri 05:36, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to conclusively write in an encyclopedia that Madhva was an avatar? I feel it should be removed or reworded as "believed to be an avatar by his followers". If you note, Dr. BNK Sharma does not write that way in his History of the Dvaita school of Vedanta.

[edit] Headline text

About Incarnations:

Incarnations in great souls like Vayu doesn't happen like other jivas like us. As said by Krishna in BhagawadGita, normal souls change bodies from one to another. This doesn't happen to Vayu. The body of Brahmaadi vayu will be destroyed by "Narasimhaagni" only during Pralaya.

We all know how Parashurama and Lord Rama met, though they are incarnations of Vishnu. In similar way, Hanuman and Bhima met each other . So Hanuman's body need not be destroyed for next incarnation. However Bhima ended his incarnation whereas next incarnation Madhva also did not end his incarnation and went to Badari Kshetra.

These incarnations are because, in Mahabharata at the end Bhishmacharya said to pandavas :"you all have to come back after this incarnation". Thus Bhima came as Madhva. These are mainly due to service of Vayu to lord vishnu in 3 incarnations : Rama , Krishna and VedaVyasa as Hanuma,Bhima and Madhva respectively.

[edit] comarisions to mainstream hinduism changed

I have deleted much of the unsubtanciated material on dvaita philosophy. I have tried to present a more balanced approach. There is no scholarship available that talks of islamic influences on madhva. It is untrue that shiva is not worshipped in dvaita.

SV 22:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quality of the article needs to improve

The philosophical aspect of this school is not present cohorently. also the tone is not neutral. i propose to correct them as soon as possible. feel free to discuss and suggest

SV 19:59, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Like Charvak and Carvaka, Madhavacharya and Madhvacharya are two different spellings of the same person and both articles need to be merged.

Thats not true. MAdhavAcharya refers to vidyAranya, madhvAcharya is AnandatIrtha. [SV 14:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)]

[edit] 'dvaita' and 'madhvacharya'

I suggest these two articles be reversed, because the information supposed to be present in dvaita article is instead present here!

[edit] Names and Avatars

I believe "Sukha Theertha" is also one of the names of Sri Madhvacharya. Does anyone know the circumstances under which this name came about?

Nharipra, 18 October 2006

[edit] Names and Avatars

No sure about the circumstances, this appears in the stotra with dvadahsa (12) names of Madhva.

harisks, 24 October 2006

The word Sukha has the meaning of Happiness (Ananda) and Theertha means Ocean. The full word Sukha Theertha (Ananda Theertha) means "who is in the happiness Ocean"(Always).

In fact the word Madhwa can be constructed as Madhu + wa, which also means the same thing. Madhu means sweetness rather happiness. The letter Wa means Ocean. All the three names means one and the same.

While giving him the SANYASA his Guru named him as "Purna Pragna". While he was to take the PATTABHISHEKA of entire VEDANTA SAMRAJYA - His guru named him as "Ananda Theertha"

The name Madhwa has not been given by anybody else. This was the name taken by Shri Madhwa himself, by showing the reference in the VEDAS. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.149.87 (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Madhva Religious Figures

I have created a navigation box for all Madhva religious figures that will make traversing the pages easier. Wanted to add this to the main article. Any comments or objections?

v • d • e Madhva religious figures Madhvacharya · Vadirajatirtha · Vyasatirtha · Raghavendra Swami · Naraharitirtha · Jayatirtha · Sripadaraya · Purandara Dasa · Kanaka Dasa · Vijaya Dasa

Hari 10:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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