User talk:Mackensen/Flarp

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Hi, I hope you don't mind me commenting on the boxes, they look great. It goes get a bit messy with the City Circle, especially with the one way operation of some of the lines as you have put it. This operation is usually only in exceptional circumstances (eg trackwork), but there are occasional timetabled moves. The problem as I see it is that CityRail is not a metro with distinct lines on their own track, it has traditionally had a lot of odd moves in the timetable which are not reflected in the published map. The boxes could get messy if all timetabled moves are added. Maybe it would be worth going with someone's previous suggestion of treating the City Circle as it's own line, although I don't know how you would do the colours. Regards, The Fulch 01:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• There's actually precedent for that kind of abstraction. German metros and S-bahns have the concept of the "stammstrecke"--best English translation might be the trunk line or mainline--over which most services will pass. On the Munich S-Bahn (see München Hauptbahnhof for an example) we used this to reduce seven lines to one, and used the neutral color grey. On the other hand, this would really only work for stations on the loop itself--Central needs to show the branches. Mackensen (talk) 01:22, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
  • Hmm, its an interesting thought. The section between Strathfield and Central would be a good candidate for such an approach. I wonder whether there is a way to put multiple colour bars in the one box? The Fulch 03:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I think that would be too complicated and confusing to readers not familiar with the system. Mackensen, I suggest that we not have a one way operation, but that the lines just change at Central as they do at present. If you want to put the change at Museum and Town Hall it should be made clear that they only change when the train gets to Central, not beforehand - it can't look like trains terminate at Museum or Town Hall - that never happens. I suggest we also get rid of the one-way operation - it's not the case. Trains from all lines run in both directions in the City Circle. Good work though - I'm looking forward to changing this all over to a simpler system. JRG 10:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
      • Okay, oneway removed. I've kept Central as the termini for lack of a better solution. If we're there then I've a few minor changes to make to the production template and then I'll go ahead and switch Central over to the new templates. Mackensen (talk) 11:10, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

What about something streamlined like this....The Fulch 21:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Preceding station		CityRail		Following station
Redfern towards Lidcombe or Liverpool		Bankstown Line		through to City Circle either Museum or Town Hall

Well, that streamlines things considerably but I wonder if we lose too much information. There's no link to either the Town Hall or Museum stations which means you're "stuck" at Central (poor passengers). Mackensen (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

• True. Is it possible to put either Museum or Town Hall in small print underneath City Circle? The Fulch 02:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
  • It is now (bit of a hack). I've updated the main page. Thoughts? Mackensen (talk) 20:47, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
    • I think it now looks good, well done. I'd be supportive of its implemetation. The Fulch 23:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
      • It's good, but still not quite accurate. Even though I don't like it and I'm causing trouble here, let's put in The Fulch's suggestion and make the City Circle a separate line as was done originally. That will solve all the problems. You will have to show, though, that the City Circle incorporates the 4 different lines and the directions they come from. And can we make the terminus of the North Shore line berowra or wyong, not just wyong? Wyong is only in peak hours and is theoretically part of another line. JRG 02:51, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
        • Making the City Circle its own line is troublesome, because (as you note), we'll have to convey the information that there are multiple lines here. Let me think about how we could achieve that. Modifying the North Shore termini is not a problem. Mackensen (talk) 14:59, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
          • Don't worry about the break - I'm happy for you to continue thinking about this. Any other suggestions? JRG (talk) 10:23, 30 December 2007 (UTC)