User talk:Machtzu

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[edit] For your class

Hi, just wanted to answer your question on the Village Pump. There isn't an uncensored version of Wikipedia, and attempts to censor it would be against official policy (per 1.9 of WP:NOT), so the best way to attack your problem would be to install a filtering program like Netnanny. Also while i'm here, i'll put in the standard welcome message...


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Karmafist 00:42, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you will get this but I'll try anywat! Is it possible to suggest to the 'powers that be' some sort of Family Filter similar to google, where you actively have to click off or view if someone considers this to be unsafe material. Similar to the 'This content is controversial' options that you can have on entries into the encyclopedia?

Thanks,

--Machtzu 01:52, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

I replied to your comments on my talk page. Thanks! — Felix the Cassowary 23:12, 30 August 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Just a question

Is there any kind of article you would delete?Gateman1997 23:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

There certainly is, but an encyclopedia, is by definition a compendium of all human knowledge. If that means you need to include an article on a small school fine it has relavance because the school may produce the next Einstein or the next Shakespear. I wouldn't have outright advertising, if someone went through all the books and redirected them to Amazon I would have a problem with that, and I hope other's would too, however a manufacturer who employes 100 people is a medium sized buisness and what's more is probably quite important in their local community, an unbaised article commenting on the production methods used the financial info of the company and its stock ticker would be acceptable.

On a slightly different note, if for example through the course of someones degree they undertake a Doctorate they would be contributing by researching a new technique/process etc, because of that I would consider that they would deserve an entry under their specialisation detailing the research that they did and what was concluded. We already have quite advanced topics in maths, engineering, physics and so on so it would not be unreasonable to include their information if their work has passed peer review (their's not wiki's).

Also take meanings for example, when a word is used in a context that its not suitable for does it become suitable by its use? For example 'I capped the fence post', mean I put on a waterproof top, bears no resembalence to 'I capped some guy', I shot him, if you check the Oxford English Dictionary your only going to find the former meaning and not the latter, but are both equally valid? So if 1 person is known to a hundred people because of something he/she does eg José Fernando Ferreira Mendes or Barbara Schwarz does that mean he/she is important enough to be notable here?

I would argue that provided someone has put the time and effort into developing an article, providing its not gibberish, pure spam, or a falsification then it has a place somewhere here. If a branch needs to be created to hold it then that might be worth doing, but all information has value however small.

I'd be interested in your views. --Machtzu 23:32, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Well you definitely have a well thought out view and for that I salute you. Many people vote to keep articles with no notion of why they do so just that it should be in the encyclopedia. My view of the matter is a bit more pragmatic. I look at what the value of an article is to both the author and subsequent contributors, its value to the encyclopedia, and any potential value it could possibly have through maximum fleshing out. In some cases articles that are useless and woeful stubs now have the potential to grow larger and be useful to the encyclopedia. In some cases there is limited information that can be added to a stub and it will never be useful to the encyclopedia or anyone beyond a VERY limited audience. In those cases I vote to delete without prejudice. There are articles worth keeping and there are ones that though they seem encyclopedic are really just sucking up limited server space.
This was of course spurred by those 4 school articles up for deletion. I consider each differently and have voted accordingly as you can see. Some of them are worthwhile and have future potential. Some in my view can never be expanded to anything useful beyond puffing up the people who attend those schools that they have an entry here. That's all well and good for their self esteem, but that's not what an encyclopedia is. Just my thoughts. Gateman1997 23:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes the main flaw in my arguement is the limited resources that wikipedia has to work with, 6Billion people with 20KB on each is 120TB of data, quite unfeasable. That said the internet is the global village... I'm very new to wiki and I am sure this has been discussed somewhere but is it possible to list my 2 cents somewhere for public discussion?

Your also quite right that any self gratification on these boards is the wrong place but maybe less information about a lot of things is better than a lot of information about less things. ( heck I should be writing sound bites ;) and thats two in one article!)--Machtzu 00:02, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

  • I've yet to encounter any giant public forum on the issue, however it comes up fairly often as a more concentrated issue revolving around a particular type of article here and there. The big one I've noticed most recently seems to be the school debate and the road debate. Some users take the view any and all schools from dance schools to preschools up to universities should be included, others take the opposite view that only colleges should be included. And it usually gets ugly. Same can be said for roads. I usually draw the line at numbered roads with a few notable exceptions like Broadway in NYC. But there are people who are on both sides of my view and we debate it endlessly on project pages and most often on VFD. Best way to find a debate is to go to VFD.Gateman1997 00:08, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Would you mind if I included this discussion in a new item at say VFD or the Village Pump?--Machtzu 00:10, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

  • Not at all. I'm always looking to discuss this with people, especially in a rational manner as we have.Gateman1997 00:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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