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[edit] Can you give me a hand with...

Hi, Mgm! I'd like to create a new Talk:Armenian_Genocide page, as the existing one has gotten too long. I went to the Help section, but I was perplexed and somewhat intimidated... I'm afraid of doing something wrong, as the first page needs to still be there and be linked to. Would I be a real bum if I asked you to take care of this for me? If you feel like I'd be taking advantage of your well demonstrated amazing kindness, perhaps you can give me the detailed procedure, so even a Wiki-nitwit as I can follow and not foul up. In appreciation, Torque 02:36, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You really came through. I sincerely appreciate it. What a gentleman you are... Torque

[edit] lost edits

as far as we're aware, no more than 3 minutes of edits before the moment of the power failure should be lost, and i suspect it's less than that. as the site was read-only while the last few hours of edits were being replayed afterwards, some pages may show old cached versions even though there's new a newer version in the database; purging these pages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_page?action=purge) should fix that. kate.

[edit] Pre 17th Century in sports

The edit added to start the article was both in the wrong place (1602 being 17th century, not pre 17th) and also false. Football in England was recorded as far back as the 12th century. I'd suggest the cleanup-verify tag for similar one line claims that you don't have time to check up on yourself. Average Earthman 11:43, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] boxcar (band) != boxcar

regarding the "problem suggestion", i think you must be confusing it with boxcar, the article i am referring to is boxcar (band) which i just created. did you follow the link itself, you'll see the history shows it was just created. boxcar is a kind of train car, boxcar (band) is an electronic band, very different. clarkk 08:47, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

thanks, no problem, an easy mistake to make. could you include this in the next update? otherwise it will start to get too old (give the server crash, i think this should be grandfathered in...) ;-) clarkk 23:26, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] VFD template

I didn't see any reason to discuss such a minor change as background color. (The remainder of the changes were minor as well; the only text I removed was redundant, self-evident, or otherwise unnecessary.) However, I did browse around to see if there was any reason in particular that the previous background color was desirable, and not finding any, I replaced it with the generic "toccolours", which I think is far more attractive. Feel free to change it back, of course. — Dan | Talk 13:08, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting categories

Thank you for your quick response. I would like to have deleted the category "Candombe". I guess it was actually Tuf-Kat that created it, but he did so when the article candombe was less than a dozen words long. I basically wrote the article and strongly feel it shouldn't be a category as well. Can't imagine what other article would fit into it.

Also, could you tell me how I can use the search box to see if a category exists which contains a certain word? Thanks again! Mona-Lynn 12:26, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Incorrect information regarding Bay to Breakers

(Copied from Template_talk:Did_you_know#Incorrect_information.) How can this footrace be the longest in the world if it's shorter than a marathon? This looks like incorrect information to me. Gerritholl 10:34, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • I've removed the info, until I can determine the exact definition of the word footrace. Mgm|(talk) 09:17, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • It looked as if the talk page was protected on Template Talk:Did you know, but I wanted to point out that the claim of being "the longest consecutively run footrace in the world" is made directly on the Bay to Breakers website. In fact, it is the opening sentence on their History page at www.baytobreakers.com/history/. If this is an invalid claim I would like to see their staff retract this statement and see this matter resolved. —RaD Man (talk) 21:11, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK talk

That's because I informed them. I did note that in the summary when I moved them into the archive section. Warofdreams 14:08, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sandbox/cleanup

Hi, I happened to notice that you manually cleaned the sandbox. According to Wikipedia:Cleaning department#Wikipedia:Sandbox, it gets automagically cleaned every couple of hours by a 'bot. However, if you're into cleaning, there are tons of other things listed in Wikipedia:Cleaning department that need someone to sign up for them! Noel (talk) 15:22, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

PS: Hey, you like seriously need to do some archiving on your Talk: page... :-) Noel (talk) 15:26, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Calcutta -> Kolkata name change

Hi there. I noticed you voted in the Wikipedia:Naming policy poll to keep the Wikipedia policy of naming an article with the most familiar English name. You may not be aware that another attempt has begun to rename the Calcutta article to Kolkata, which is blatantly not the most common name of the city, whether it's official or not. If you want to vote on the issue you can do so at Talk:Calcutta. Cheers. -- Necrothesp 13:36, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandals

I too have been gone much of the day, but whatever vandals were harrassing you seem to have quit for the time being. As for temporary protection, I don't like to protect any talk page except in extreme cases (I believe the protection policy says something to that effect as well), in case someone wants to leave you a legitimate message. Cheers — Dan | Talk 02:02, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Purple Punkin

Actually, I tried to make it indefinite, but it didn't seem to work; regular admins may not have that ability any more. Anyway, I made it for 3 years instead, which should have the same effect. Jayjg (talk) 14:36, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, I was the first that got to him this time; I checked for that. Maybe I was just typing something incorrectly; in any event, 3 years should have the same net effect. Jayjg (talk) 02:47, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Vaoverland - administrator

Thank you for supporting my appointment as an administrator. I appreciate the pat on the back this represents. It felt nice to read the comments during the voting. Please let me know if you see something I should be doing as admin, as I intend to be fairly passive unless it is clear I should do otherwise. Thanks. Mark in Richmond. Vaoverland 20:06, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Caltox and Vandenbr

You have already seen this first part.

I fear that slapping a }}wikify{{ tag on Cell handover process is not going to have much effect. Stronger action is needed.

Vandenbr and Caltox have handwriting so similar that they must be the same person.

Vandenbr made an inauspicious start on Feb 18 when he simply replaced Quality of service and Grade of service with articles of his own. In attempting to make an edit to Trunking, he managed to wipe out all the wikilinks.

Since then he has been developing his own orphan island of wikilink-free articles indexed by Teletraffic Engineering. To be honest, although I know a bit about telecomms, I have not bothered to read them closely - I was more concerned about the prima donna-ish way that he seems to be proceding.

The articles under Teletraffic Engineering#PSTN Traffic (these are by Vandenbr) seem rather turgid but may contain stuff not found elsewhere on Wiki. Full Availability, Limited Availability and Gradings looks horribly out of date - relating to electromechanical exchanges rather than digital.

Teletraffic Engineering#Mobile Traffic are by Caltox. These definitely duplicate stuff covered elsewhere on Wiki.

I have asked him some questions at User talk:Caltox. If he does not come up with some meaningful answers, I think I shall put the whole lot up in Wikipedia:Deletion policy to see what the telecomms experts think.

-- RHaworth 13:35, 2005 Mar 2 (UTC)

Vandenbr has now learned how to create piped links but is otherwise sailing his own independant way. I have created Wikipedia:Deletion policy/Teletraffic Engineering to see what people think. -- RHaworth 03:49, 2005 Mar 7 (UTC)


[edit] Moon illusion

Deleted setion said nothing of current status as an "explaination". It was just decptive.

[edit] Kurdistan Workers Party

The article currently is propoganda, I honestly (for this case). The article is not one sided, its factual, if the other party dont like what they have done they can whine on their own historic facts cannot be changed. Turkey never occupied Kurdistan, the nation didnt quite exist either. It existed in the Treaty of Serves which was revoked, which led to the Turkish Independece war and with the Laussane (not sure of spelling) the article ceased to exist. Turkey never signed the serves hence it was not an accepted treaty hence anything declared on the article of serves is officialy nothing more than fiction. I was staying neutral, the PKK is recognised as a terrorist organisation by all world powers that have actual power. Even the most insignificant country had not ever recognised Kurdistan as a country, so he occupation is definately a valid statement. I have 0 tollerance for the propoganda of this organisation. I am not demonising the group, I am merely spitting out what they had done. The information I provided (and the table) should be reverted. I was translating the table but it is an overwheling task for me, esspecialy the formatting (I may need help for that). Also do you know the symbol I can use that is basicaly a filled o? I need that for the starfleet ranks article and how to draw a box around text? --Cool Cat My Talk 03:10, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • How does the article look now? --Cool Cat My Talk 20:26, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] IPs

Moved down:
Thanks for your comments. Following the deletion of the target article, IP addresses on the page are no longer appropriate. (by User:Jsecure)


[edit] IPs

Please either delete the votes for delete page containing IPs used by myself, or remove them from the page. The article they reference is now deleted, and so the page serves little purpose. It is idle to keep the useless page in storage for years to come, may as well delete it.

[edit] IPs

And in twenty five years when nobody remembers the article? Will the notes be kept then? Along with 1,000,000 terabytes of similar notes on similar articles?

[edit] DYK

Did you know has been updated
and a fact from the article Fred Kaps, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you have another interesting fact to submit, then please suggest it at the section's talk page.

[edit] timeline

I dont quite know how to wrk with the timetable. can you assist? I coppied it from tr.wiki. text should be on bar not semi-above it. --Cool Cat My Talk 03:30, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] User:Jsecure

I saw this user has been harassing you about that vfd page (a few comments above), so I thought you might be the right person to ask this. He's been harrassing me as well, demanding I remove his IPs. Now, he's found my external blog, and is threating legal action for 'invasion of privacy'. Wikipedia's got my back on this, right? --InShaneee 17:00, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Radio programs guy

That IP is an unregistered bot. See User:B-Movie Bandit for background. It'll at least explain the lack of comment. :) Mike H 22:59, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dankie

Thanks for reverting edits by 67.84.158.126 on my user page--Jcw69 16:44, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Early VfD closure

Many thanks! I'll be more careful in future. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 10:45, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK 14/03/05

Regarding the four new DYK articles; the picture of a Trident missile is not referred to at all in the Thiokol description. Perhaps you should replace it with a picture of the Space Shuttle, Mars Pathfinder or Mazda Miata (all listed). Another option would be to include the fact that they produce the solid-rocket first stage for Trident missiles in the description. Mark 11:18, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That was quick! Thank you. Mark 11:30, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] speedy deletion of Image:Liberty-delacroix.jpg

It looks like someone already took care of it, but this image was an orphaned, small-file size version of the painting. I uploaded a larger image, making this one redundant. --jacobolus (t) 15:31, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Babes in the Wood VFD

Greetings. I'm wondering if you'd take a quick look at the rewrite I've done on Babes_in_the_Wood and see if you'd be willing to reconsider your vote for deletion. Best, --Jacobw 16:37, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK 16/03/05

Yeah, I know, I'm becoming a massive pain in your ****. I just wanted to suggest an image to go with the BBC coat of arms article in DYK: Image:BBC Virtual Crest.JPG. Only suggest it in the case you wanted to replace the older picture at present. Mark 13:22, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] MGM...

I didn't know you were from the Netherlands; I have a Dutch girlfriend!

Looking at your talk page, I'm stunned as to how you can keep up with all of these requests. I see how you've touched many of the ones who have asked you for help.

At any rate, MGM, thank you for your great archiving at the Armenian Genocide talk page, and for being such a gentleman. I've been away for a while, and took a look today. The madman who has infiltrated the page has completely overpowered everyone with his big mouth and his unending drivel. He has transformed the article page with his horrible propaganda; he says he has countered all of the very valid history that was already part of the page, but all he has offered is a lot of blah-blah; he will say anything to fudge the truth. Now I can go back and change things, but he is totally obsessed, and it's hard to find the energy to keep up with this "weasel beast." Coolcat has been trying to match wits with him, but give Fadix a sentence and he will he will smother you to death with a his relentless propaganda. It's useless to argue with this character who is simply beyond reason.

What can be done? The point is he has compromised Wikipedia's integrity with his infusion of propaganda, and that should not be allowed. I guess I can engage him in an edit war, but I've already devoted too much of my life to this, and he will win... he's like a wolf, just waiting to pounce. This is the shortcoming of a platform like Wikipedia; even if the record seems to have been set straight in the article, this kind of unscrupulous person will come in and change everything to suit his agenda. Moreover, I see two new pages of propaganda have been created. I'll attempt to get BM's opinion, too. Thanks. --Torque March 17, 2005

  • Thanks, MGM. I appreciated your speedy and courteous reply. Where can I find out more about RFC or RFAr? These are unfamiliar terms for me. The two pages in question are Adana holocaust and Hamidian massacres. The former page's title, about a rebellion, has nothing to do with a "holocaust," but we're dealing with an egotistical fanatic who is solely interested in pushing his agenda. And you may have placed too much faith in Coolcat, as much as I appreciate his efforts. While he had it "up to here" and wrote it was time to study for his calculus exam, Fadix drowned him out in his filibustering style. His strategy is to overwhelm his opponents into submission, with the sheer numbers of his nonsensical words. I request you pay a visit to BM's talk page, where I provided more insight into this problem. Perhaps the both of you fine administrators can find an interim solution, since currently, "Fanatix" has "won," and his propaganda represents Wikipedia. Thanks. --Torque

[edit] Deleting images

Hello mgm. On IFD on the March 10 unverified orphans, you stated "I see at least one image on this list of which the uploader was not informed. Please inform the user, before putting images up for deletion. They may be perfectly legal." Of course I don't know which image you were referring to, but I'm very careful to contact the uploader. The only exceptions are (a) when the user has been absent for an extended length of time, or (b) where the user has already indicated that it's okay to delete the images. Best regards, – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 00:51, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] 500K

In case you haven't seen elsewhere by now, it looks like the 500,000th article was Involuntary settlements in the Soviet Union. --Michael Snow 16:49, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide

Fadix is constantly accusing me of things. I do not want you to do anything right now but just tell me am I over reacting? He is oposing 50-50 representation of claims and counter-claims. He has a 0 tolerace to any oposing idea policy we were only able to change a few words. --Cool Cat My Talk 20:21, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Of what I am accusing you, feel free to point that out. Your biases has now been witnessed by another member. I am following Wikipedia rules. You delete the entry regarding "most scholars" etc. If you present this as it is 50-50 supported in the intellectual community, it is POV. You can not suggest that Western scholars are devided regarding this topic, when there is a ratio of hundreds, perhaps thousands to one. But this is of what you are after. Wikipedia specificaly say that neutrality is not about presenting two theses as equaly valid, if you suggest that, it is a suggestion and it is POV. Read that section, I have read it. Besides, there are many issues that are not covered by the other sides, which means there is no counter sides. Example, the special organization, the other side answer to that is complete silence, according to you I should delete that entry just because there is no counter answer.
You can not present equaly 50-50, when it is not defended 50-50, Wikipedia has a note about that, in which it says that as much space should be left as the proportion defended... those are not my words. If the informations lead the reader to conclude there is a genocide, this is not my fault. If the fact that most Western academics believe it was a genocide suggest there was one is not my fault. If the fact that some Turkish academics ignoring their governments threats recognize it and that if a reader read that info and become convinced... it is not my fault. If the fact that the Armenian cases is the second most studied genocide bring people to believe it was a gemocide, it is not my fault. Wikipedia is about presenting different versions, and not deleting parts that could lead people to concluded it is equaly defended. What you suggest is like deleting facts about Earth spherical nature to present the Flat and spherical argument as 50-50. Give is a brake Coolcat, a member has witnessed your clear biases, and I assure you that it is a matter of time that others will conclude the same thing about you. Call that attacks I don't care, just the fact that you introduce your biases in everything that regard Turkey under the pretext of moderating is enough a strong evidences. Leave people that know about topics to discuss about them, if you ignore a topic don't delete informations because you want two positions to be equaly valid. This is not what Wikipedia is about.
Another note, I see that you have again started your compagn against me, why don't you get involved in the mediation process, it appears that you are boycotting it for a reason. Oh and, I hope people understand why I don't even start answering to Torque pathetic campagne to ruine my credibility, since when I have something to say about someone, I say it in his face so I can let him defend himself, just like I have invited Torque to participate in the mediation, in a forum where he compares Armenians to insects. I just hope he won't start spamming like he is known to do. Fadix 22:34, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Another point, my problem is not about changing few words, my problem is to use words that mislead and fool the reader. You can not do that, it is against Neutral point of view to suggest something that is not true. You want to change the "Most" with "some" as if this is defended equaly, if it is not defended equaly, this should be pointed out. Fadix 22:48, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • I appreciated your reply as always, MGM; to keep you updated, I posted a new query at BM's talk page. Thanks. --Torque March 19, 2005
  • Wow! That Fadix sure ran off the mouth, as usual. I wish he would give everyone else a "brake," but he brakes for no one. Our fanatical friend has not yet revealed his mediator, MGM. I hope you're correct in the objectivity factor of the mediator, but knowing how slippery Fadix is, I can't be sure. Thanks. --Torque March 20, 2005

[edit] Human Chess

Thanks for the clean-up on aisle 4. 1st time posts are usually messy :-) -- A ghost 03/19/05

[edit] Survey

I need your view. Do you think User:Fadix's attitude be considered a personal attack? Please provide in my Talk page. --Cool Cat My Talk 20:08, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) You dont archive, do you? --Cool Cat My Talk 07:54, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

On almost every response he either callls me biased or that I have a hidden agenda, or that I know nothing regarding the matter so "I should go read a book", he has to realise completely, this is not a forum, I do not like to be acused of things. --Cool Cat My Talk 13:39, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Roberto D'Aubuisson

Now that User:Trey Stone has been blocked for 2 weeks Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:Trey Stone, and given that he was clearly one side of the edit wars and dispute going on around D'Aubuisson, would it be possible to remove the protection. I am not totally sure what the debate is about, but I want to do a complete rewrite anyway, using Spanish sources, and without any American POV's (cos i'm not American, and it did appear to be an argument between 2 American POV's of D'Aubuisson. I am working on a lot of Central American politicians, and am hoping drastic measures (i.e. introducing a lot more content) can resolve the issue of itself. So it would be really great if you could unprotect this page; if not can you please let me know when you are going to do so. Best wishes, --SqueakBox 23:23, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fadix

"I will not stop “accusing” you to have a hidden agenda because I am not accusing, I am just pointing to the fact that you do have a hidden agenda, I do not need to accuse you, your editions clearly show it."

"You are not a moderator, a moderator can differentiate himself from his biases, you can't, I don't recognize your authority. Fadix 20:49, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC) "

"BWAHAHA!!! (sorry could not retain myself). So Sir is neutral :)"

They also suggest the article will be more one sided so that it is neutral, I refuse to believe there is a concensus accepting the genocide, the general tone of the article is propoganda. Any edit I make to the article will be immidiately reverted by Fadix.

Article goes like this: 1 Armenians in Anatolia 2 The Armenian Genocide 3 The Camps 4 The Special organization (Teshkilati Mahsusa) 5 Millitary trials, Istanbul, 1919 6 Recent History - Timeline 7 Official Recognition 8 Turkish intellectuals who support the theses of genocide 9 Armenian Genocide memorial 10 See also 11 Resources 12 External links 12.1 Websites supporting the genocide theses 12.2 Websites opposing the genocide theses

While no/limited mention of the oposition because all oposition is propoganda, thats fanatic.

"For instance, during the Military tribunal, testimonies in the effect that Dr. Saib and Nail, an Ittihadist deputy, were heading two school buildings used as child extermination camps. Both Saib and Nail were allegedly in charge of providing the list of children who were to be distributed among the Muslim populace; the rest of the children were to be sent to the mezzanine floor to be killed by a mass gassing installation. The Children were sent there under the pretext to take baths, but were poisoned instead.

While the total number of victims that perished in all camps is hard to establish, it is by some sources estimated that close to a million would be a reasonable figure. This figure excludes Armenians who died in other ways, but may include the Special organizations participation in the events; the majority of the excluded losses are recorded in Bitlis and Sivas"

General tone has comments. And that does not sound remotely Neutral.

The diplomacy phase is not in the article, Armenian revolt is not mentioned because it "never happened". Its the claim of one side. ASALA, a terrorist organisation responsible of the murder of diplomats in Europe and US to force a Genocide Acceptance, will not be mentioned in the article because "it did not happpen during the genocide and is not remotely relevant" while bush not using the word genocide is relevant. They are making their version of the story factuality and no mention of the opposition. If you read how complicated the scholar sentence is you will see what I mean. Ant material remotely poses that the genocide did not happen is ignored and declared propoganda while anything that supports it is declared "factual". --Cool Cat My Talk 14:00, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)


The above is not personal attacks. However what indeed is a personal attack is to suggest that Fadix should be on crack:[1]

In my opinion Coolcat is a POV editor, that among other things claim that the Holocaust never happend: [2] and suggest that something like this should be neutral: [3]

Fadix on the other hand seems to be a reasonable guy, with a good understanding of Wikipedias NPOV policies. Stereotek 15:52, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Banning IPs

Plese don't ban IPs for 48 hours unless you are certain it is a static IP. Vandals can (on the most part) change their IP within a few minutes if they want, which means that any wikipedian unlucky enough to get that IP when they go online is effectively banned for 2 days. As far as I can tell, at least 3 of the 5 IPs you have banned for 48-72 hours are dynamic IPs. Trampled 13:43, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well don't let me tell you how to do your job, you're the admin :) I guess it's a bit of sore point for me as I seem to land on a banned IP at least once a week :) I understand the problem, as IP bans are the only way to go if you want to stop a vandal. The best way that I can see is to check how often they vandalise, and to reverse DNS their IP. If the hostmask looks like it's part of an ISP subnet, then it probably means it's a dynamic IP. But if their history of vandalism is lengthy, then maybe a 48 hour is a good idea. Still, carry on the good work. People like you keep Wikipedia a great source of information :) Trampled 13:54, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Luckily no, I haven't. I just thought I'd mention the length of the bans, as I know how annoying they can be to innocent users :) Trampled 14:12, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Attacking people

I admit having attacked Torque, but I deny the charges that I have attacked Coolcat, I did accuse him of things, but did in accordance of the entry regarding badfaith, since his POV were obvious and my accusations were supported. I am honest here and nothing to hide and am ready to pay for my attacks directed against Torque, but I will reject the theses of attack against Coolcat, because I don't believe having attacked him. But if you read my exchanges with Torque, you will see that my attacks were moderate in their tones compared to what I was answering, while Torque was making "racist" comments and generalizations, I always containing myself at directly attacking him. As for the neutrality of the Armenian Genocide article, I am hardly working at neutralizing it as much as possible, and another member is doing a quite a good job if sometimes I may appear introducing POV. I did add the other point of view, in which I was going to add more, but Coolcat deleted it and now claim the article is one sided. I told him that the article is still on process of getting neutralized. What Coolcat is after, is to delete important informations to mislead the reader and let him believe that there are two equal different positions, but in the Neutrality entry of Wikipedia regarding what is Neutrality and what is not, it is clearly specified that neutrality is not about presenting two different positions as equally valid, but rather presenting the different views and presenting their strongest arguments and their critics. I have proposed this to CoolCat, and started in that direction, but he ignored preferring to merge it.

Coolcat as well want to delete "who says what" and this is against Neutrality, an article should not have as goal to mislead the reader, if it happens that one position has stronger arguments, it should be left as it, if the article lets most readers to believe one position against the other, it will be because of the arguments presented. It will be hijacking an article to delete the sources and who says what, and delete the strong arguments from one side as to have as a product a work which will appear as to propose two equal propositions, doing that is suggestion, suggestion is POV and is against neutrality. This is what Coolcat wants, and this is what I am opposing to. It will be fair for Coolcat to let people that know about the topic to discuss about, because since his ignorant about the topic, the only utility he could have had would have been in neutralizing it, there is already a neutral member neutralizing the article and he is doing a pretty good job unlike coolcat, and I agree that there is still things to be neutralized, but the article is still at an early stage and the quality compared to what it was before I came here is fold higher. --Fadix 22:05, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Can you investigate, User talk:Stereotek, User:Fadix. I have reason to believe these people are too closely related. Their edis are disturbingly timestampted next to each other and users are either comunicating externally (which raises the question how mediative such a well selected person is regarding Armenian Genocide article. --Cool Cat My Talk 08:53, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That I, just like Fadix, empathize that Wikipedias NPOV policies should also apply to the Armenian Genocide article, doesn't make me Fadix's sock puppet. Your view, that the Armenian Genocide never happend, is clearly a minority point of view among scholars, and it should be presented as such. That is what Wikipedias NPOV policies demand. Don't waster my and other peoples time with you frivolous accusations. Stereotek 13:37, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well I still think an investigation is necesary. You two seem to think alike :P. Its not plausable to talk in the name of entier scientific comunity.

Maybe it wasnt a personal attack but was VERY CLOSE to it, thats what my survey suggests. Discussing things with Fadix requres a dosage of pain relievers as he refuses to accept the opposing view and faisl to "agree to disagree". He called me biased when I suggested there is an oposing view, As far as I care the Armenian genocide never happen in my POV. I am not alone regarding this. They have created the aurora that Most scholars accept the genocide as a fact, this is baseless, and so on.

I do not like to be constantly be acused of bias when I present an opposing view or beeing accused of a hidden agenda. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC) Articles goal is not to mislead the reader to think Armenian Genocide happened either. The reader should absorb it as a dispute and that the facts are discrete as they are. Fadix cannot dicate the article alone. He cannot tell me what is neutral and what is factual. That would not be neutral. When I originaly suggetsed my cases he bombarded me with a mass of text. I think he has 4- 6 archives now, he is refraining from taht now I believe. Article requires proper mediation, fadix alone cannot choose a mediator. Thats not very acceptable. The Armenian and turkish version of the story conflicts hence the article should either present this conflict equaly or no sign of it at all, also the diplomatic sphere is not included. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:24, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind me editing your user page, but you said Wikipedia is a dictionary, which obviously isn't true. It's an encyclopedia. Mgm|(talk) 09:03, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

  • Productive edits are more than welcome feel free to add items that will enhance it. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:25, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

He never asked for my or anyones opinion. He was like, whatever i will seek mediation. I was actualy trying to reason with him. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:32, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • The above is not personal attacks. However what indeed is a personal attack is to suggest that Fadix should be on crack

1) high on crack: means the user is dilusional, he was claiming he was neutral while clearly he wasnt, I was emphisisng.

  • In my opinion Coolcat is a POV editor, that among other things claim that the Holocaust never happend

2) Yes, I am not a cabbage, I have views of my own, I did not request every material I pasted to be a part of the article, I merely suggested that Fadix's version is not the only version. I repeated my self over 4 times as I was bombarded by text and my suggestions quickly got lost in mass amount of text by fadix. That caused significant stress, and a very severe back ache.

  • Fadix on the other hand seems to be a reasonable guy, with a good understanding of Wikipedias NPOV policies. Stereotek 15:52, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

3) Right, but my discussion with him states otherwise, we dont normaly acuse other people with hiden agenda or bias. He declared me in Turkey while I was in the US, check my ip if you wish as an admin you can I believe. --Cool Cat My Talk 09:41, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism @ Turkey

16:31, 20 Mar 2005 Nosrail (NPOV). Investigation is necesary, person is an older meber with no history of vandalism I believe.

That sux :P --Cool Cat My Talk 09:56, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] RfC GRider

Thanks. I've of course notified him. I hadn't thought of contacting those people on his talk page but it seems like a good idea. Radiant_* 10:24, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Page movers

Oh, indeed - never noticed that. I always assumed I had to do it the hard way...thanks for pointing that out, it definitely makes cleaning up the mess a bit easier :) -- Ferkelparade π 10:52, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Many thanks for doing the cleaning up work and restoring my page history! Sjakkalle 11:03, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks for all your help on my user page. Saopaulo1 11:25, Mar 22, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thank you very much for working with us to be helpful (Re: deletion of page Sports Internet Destination!). We're the new ones here and realize that (though we've been an information publisher for 9 years and are the third largest sports collectibles publisher in the world). I've learned a lot from this community in a short time. I wonder if this is why open source in general is so effective. When you get dedicated and smart people together, anything is possible. I'm impressed.

Thanks for the kind words. I think/hope that CSD thing was a one off - I ended up doing a fair few of them last night (lots of vandalism for some reason), so I probably blanked one accidently. --Trampled 21:42, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Genocide

Can you get me a mediator? Fadix and his counterpart is making my life difficult. I am sick of my attempts to reason the remote party are not making any sacrifices, they changed the article completely as well. --Cool Cat My Talk 00:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] PKK

Stereotek is reverting the article constantly. I am being very annoyed, he is reverting things that had been discussed... --Cool Cat My Talk 15:30, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ranking

If you look at my user page, I have a proposed ranking system for wikipedia. Aside from Barnstars. User:Coolcat

[edit] Service Stars

Just like in the millitary and scounting a nice thing would be to have service stars for the number of years people contributed to wikipedia. --Cool Cat My Talk 22:19, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you

Hey Mgm, just a note to say thank you for voting for me in my adminship nomination! I very much appreciate your support. Best, SlimVirgin 03:45, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Stereotek + Fadix = Death

Thease two users are giving me a head ache. They declared their views as neutral and anything "touching" as POV they reverted grammer edits declaring them as pov. Please assist. Also Fadix fails to refrain from personal attacks. I ask for your cooperation to deal with people in question aproporately. --Cool Cat My Talk 08:18, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)