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[edit] Flagships

There are only three Macy's flagships- New York, Chicago and San Francisco. Though other cities might be headquaters for different divisions of Macy's, consumer flagships are different. The federated website explains that there are only three flagships, so this is the most accurate.

  • Please add a link to this source. TonyTheTiger 18:37, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
At first I thought the Philadelphia info was wrong (nothing about it on Macy's or FDS's Web sites) but I came across a lot of stuff when I searched Google. It appears that Macy's just opened their first store in downtown Philadelphia on August 2 in the old Wanamaker's store. Both the local ABC affiliate [1] and the Philadelphia Inquirer indicate that Macy's is calling the store its Philadelphia flagship store.[2]
It clearly states in the Inquirer article, "Macy's brass insists that this store has flagship status." Why would the paper lie? Fixing. Ajsphila 20:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Macy's might have small flagships in every state that they do busness, but the official flagships of the store still only number three. New York, Chicago and San Francisco. http://www.nbc5.com/money/9043910/detail.html

Charlotte, North Carolina got a new one too.

The funny thing is that the Philadelphia store will not carry high-end brands like the upscale California stores. In the Inquirer article, Macy's East says that they're not attacking the upscale market because Barney's and Saks are already there. I suspect the real reason is because the Rust Belt market is not as strong economically as California, but of course I can't add that to the article since that would be original research. --Coolcaesar 19:04, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
  • The NBC link is good. You mentioned earlier a Federated website link. Do you have that? TonyTheTiger 14:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Since you both have an interest in Macy's research, I was wondering if either of you would have info that would help me improve the the cellar page. Do you know how many stores actually have basement level "cellars"? Many stores have a cellar themed area or department at or above ground level, but its biggest stores (including NY and Chi flagships) have them in the basement. TonyTheTiger 15:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

  • The store in Philly is a flagship for the city, not for Macy's. Similarly, a store in San Antonio, Texas, is considered a flagship. "Locally, the company has launched a multimillion-dollar campaign to convert its stores to reflect the Macy's brand, focusing most of its attention on its flagship Foley's store at North Star Mall....The Macy's at North Star will be flagship Macy's in San Antonio with the most changes."[3]Clipper471 13:02, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
    • "In fact, the State Street store will become one of Macy's three flagships, joining the Macy's stores at Herald Square in New York City and Union Square in San Francisco."[4] (USA Today, June 8, 2006)Clipper471 13:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
    • "Field’s on State Street will become one of three Macy’s flagship stores nationwide (the others being Macy’s Herald Square in New York and Macy’s Union Square in San Francisco.)"[5](Chicago Sun Times, April 27, 2006)Clipper471 13:42, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
    • "Federated’s two other flagship stores—Macy’s Herald Square in New York and Macy’s Union Square in San Francisco—operate virtually as separate businesses with their own marketing, special events, visual merchandising and vendor arrangements."[6] (Crains, January 30, 2006) Clipper471 13:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

The Philadelphia store is a flagship. There are no news articles I can find which say it is a "Philadelphia only flagship" - what does this mean? Ajsphila 18:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

  • "Besides doing some painting and adding some fixtures, Macy's has pretty much preserved the historic Wanamaker building. It's a huge building, which makes this one of the few flagship stores across the country."[7] (WCAU, August 2, 2006) Ajsphila 18:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • "Macy's brass insists that this store has flagship status, a designation held only by its Herald Square store in Manhattan."[8] (Philadelphia Inquirer, August 3, 2006) Ajsphila 18:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
  • "Macy’s made history, opening its first flagship Philadelphia store at 1300 Market Street in Center City." [9] (KYW-TV, August 2, 2006) Ajsphila 18:08, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
After some reflection, I tentatively agree with Clipper471's position. It looks like as if Macy's is promoting the renovated store in Philadelphia as a flagship store to the regional media but is apparently not promoting it nationwide as the equal of the giant flagship stores in San Francisco, New York, and Chicago. It's possible that the conflicting articles we're seeing reflect confusion within FDS about how to promote the entrance of the Macy's brand into the Philadelphia market. I'll change my conclusion if and when Macy's updates their Web site to call the Philadelphia store a flagship store. --Coolcaesar 22:32, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed section: Where does Macy's fit?

I have to say, I think Macy's is a cut above JC Penney, Belk, Sears, etc...so I have changed that.

Macy's has always been regarded as a higher level dept. store, above Penny's, Kohl's, Sears, etc., but definitely below Nordstrom's, Neiman's and Lord & Taylor, which are considered "luxury" dept. stores. --Markt3 16:26, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I concur. In turn, Sears, Penney's and Kohl's are definitely above Target and Wal-Mart. So that's the hierarchy of prestige among department stores in the United States. --Coolcaesar 18:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

So who keeps putting Macy's with Penny's and Sears? That needs to stop. By labels alone, Macy's is above Dillards, Penneys, Sears, etc....

Macy's places advertising emphasis on many of the same brands available at JC Penney, Sears, Kmart and Kohl's. Less expensive secondary lines are supplied to all of these stores by companies like Vera Wang and Martha Stewart. Other lines emphasized by Macy's are Donald Trump and various rap personalities. In response, Kohl's and JC Penney increased their own advertising for higher end merchandise, arguably better than that offered by Macy's. Many retail analysts and published reports by the Associated Press and other national newsmedia include Macy's in the same category as JC Penney, Kohl's, Sears and Walmart.

It really depends on what store you go to since they don't all sell the same stuff. 02:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC) OtherPerson


First of all, let it be known that I am an employee that work's at Macy's of Walnut Creek. I am a sales associate in the cosmetics/fragrances department and the specific counter I work at is men's fragrances. I started work the first day after thanksgiving 2005. With that said.... So I noticed that someone reassociated Macy's to the same level as JCPenny's and Sears. Below is quote the statement.

The company is part of the Cincinnati-based Federated Department Stores and competes on an average price level above J.C. Penney and Sears, on level with Dillard's, but below Nordstrom and sister chain Bloomingdale's.

What I find disheartening is that there is correct facts but they are jumbled in a manner that doesn't enhance the stores image. Yes, Macy's is part of Federated Department Stores(FDS). FDS is based out of Ohio along with Federated's credit call center, know as FACS, or Federated Accounts and Credit Services. On September 6, 2006, FDS officially changed everyone of stores it manages, i.e. Bullock's & Foley's, to either Macy's or Bloomingdales. Macy's has always prided itself on a motto about ourselves. We say that, as "america's department store" we offer our customer afford luxury and fashion. All within reasonable a price range the avg middle american could afford if they wanted to buy it. Macy's, as well as bloomingdales, offers something that no Penny's or Sear's will ever be able to provide... and that is outstanding customer service. FDS employees are here for the customer and i've never seen a lick of employees actually caring to assist anyone... i occasionally take a walk-thru to see whats up in the competition. Nordstrom's is perseved has 'high society' mostly because you will prolly need that massive amount of money to buy most anything there. And Bloomingdale's is up-scal deptartment store and carries boutiques of fashion designers. Of course merchandise isn't with out the price tag. If there is no real strong objections to me altering that quote, then i will do so. --Sfcollegeguy 07:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You're talking about service, while the text you are referring to is talking about price level. Two different things. Clipper471 04:01, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Since Macy's renamed all of the MayCo stores, it's obvious that Macy's is on the same playing field of JC Penney and Sears. There is no extra level with the downsizing of the retail market. --Write On 1983 03:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
It's not "obvious" at all. Does that also mean Macy's now competes with Wal-Mart and Target? The number of stores has nothing to do with the level of competition. The product differentiation, quality, customer service, etc. are greater factors. Clipper471 20:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
With the merger of MayCo, Macy's is no different than JC Penney. In a shrinking department store age, the dinosaurs ARE competing with Target and Wal-Mart for business. They're competing with American Eagle, Best Buy, AnF, too! Macy's, Sears, Penney's, Dillard's are all the same. I've tagged it as needed a citation. If no citation can be found, the information will be rewritten. --Write On 1983 21:46, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Can you provide a citation to support your claim? If so, please provide it to the article. Clipper471 03:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
We're talking specifically about price level here (as is the disputed sentence), not competition for dollars. Clipper471 04:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Prices can vary depending on the market. For instance, a Macy's in Erie, Pa., will not be priced as high as in Herald Square.
This article provides information that depicts Macy's is on target now with Kohl's and J.C. Penney. Pgh Post-Gazette: Shoppers show they're starting to accept Macy's
I'm not disputing that Macy's ONCE was above Penney's and Sear's. It was once an exclusive retailer, only available in some cities across the nation. But, with the merger with MayCo, Macy's has expanded its brand name and, thus, weakened its upscale nature.
This article from the Boston Globe mentions Macy's as a middle-income retailer that's trying to attract upscale shoppers. Boston.com: Is middle-market Macy's ready to go uptown?
That same article then goes onto say, "Still, sales at existing Federated stores lag behind some of its competitors, including Kohl's and Nordstrom." So Macy's is unique in its position of attracting shoppers from all lifestyles.
The wording of the statement needs to be more clear, given the nature of department stores. --Write On 1983 04:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
As a national chain, Macy's price level is still above Sears and JC Penney. Clipper471 04:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Macy's prices are not any different than JC Penney or Sears. It is competing for the same customers as the other two stores, therefore its prices are on par with a middle-level department store. I will agree that Macy's flagship stores are not on par with mid-level stores, but Macy's has positioned itself in a few different categories, so to categorize the entire chain as above Sears and JC Penney is incorrect. --Write On 1983 04:26, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I think the differences we're seeing comes from the Macy's conversion spree that Federated Department Stores is running through. Many stores, like the stores around here in Cincinnati, are definitely at a higher price point than Sears and Dillard's. Some stores around the country may still carry "legacy" products and price levels. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Janus657 (talk • contribs) 19:17, 5 March 2007 (UTC).
You are correct. So there needs to be a way to write that without blanketing it by saying Macy's is above others when it isn't in all areas. --Write On 1983 01:18, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you residing in a traditional Macy's territory? That is, an area that had Macy's stores prior to the consolidation of all the older brands like Rich's and Bon Marche into Macy's? It sounds like you're not. In areas that have had Macy's stores for many decades (California, Ohio, New York, etc.), Macy's has always been positioned well above JCPenney and Sears but below Nordstrom and Neiman Marcus. I agree with Janus657; but I want to elaborate his/her point one step further by saying it sounds like you may be residing in one of the newer territories where Macy's has replaced an older, weaker brand like Rich's or Marshall Field's. --Coolcaesar 05:32, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't call the older brands "weaker," especially not Marshall Field's, Kaufmann's or Filene's. I do think, however, we need to associate a difference in the Macy's department store brands. They are catering to the same people who shop at Kohl's and JC Penney. If they were not, they wouldn't be doing national advertising on television. --Write On 1983 17:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I completely disagree with those who say that Macy's is only on par with Kohl's, Pennys, Sears, etc. The closest Macy's to where I live is at the Lehigh Valley Mall, and it is very different from it's so-called competitors. For example, other department stores carry basic brand name watches such Citizen and Timex, while Macy's carries Lacoste, Diesel, Gucci, Coach, Burberry, and even Tag Heuer. Also they have a more substantive selection of upper-end brand names like Polo Ralph Lauren, while "competitors" have private labels. I even recall seeing Lacoste polos. In general they carry products that could loosely be referred to as luxury, and everything has a much more upscale atmosphere to it. Then again, it could have something to do with location. Stores such as Lord and Taylor, Nordstrom, Bloomingdale's, and Neiman Marcus are an hour away. Overall, I would call Macy's an upscale department store —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.9.41.218 (talk) 01:28, 29 December 2007 (UTC)


Macy's had different classifications for its stores depending on physical square footage and the market it is in.

Flagship: These stores are larger, usually above 200,000 sq. ft. These stores usually have all of the private brands and higher designer brands. These stores also have more services. For instance these stores offer Personal Shopping, some have restaurants, and specialty departments like "The Fur Vault". There is at least one flagship per major market. These are not main flagships like 34th ST, Union Square, State St. or Perimeter.

Macy's Best: These stores are a lot of times smaller than flagships and do not offer a lot of the services. These are qualified as "best" stores because they have a better selection than their peers. They carry more designer brands and carry higher caliber private labels.

Level 1: Carries private labels and basic designer selection. These stores will not have all the specialty services or departments that a flagship has. These stores also do not carry as many of the designer brands as a flagship. Some Level 1s are "best" stores.

The scale goes down to level 4.

A flagship or best store is very similar to a Nordstrom. The stores I worked at, Macy's La Cantera and Macy's North Star's selection rivaled Nordstrom. Thisisit (Macy's Young Men's and Juniors Dept) is very similar to Nordstrom's "The Rail" (Young Men's) and Bp (Juniors). They are similar not just in selection but also in architecture depending on what location you are at. 72.179.186.100 (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)MRO Former May Co. and Federated Employee 2/12/0872.179.186.100 (talk) 09:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Statistics errors

The flagship store moved uptown to Herald Square at 34th Street and Broadway in 1902. Beginning with one building, and through expanded new construction or merging, eventually it grew into the world's largest department store, 152.15 million ft² (14.1 km²)of selling floor and an additional 72 million ft² (6.7 km²) restaurant. They also have recently expanded to 1 billion ft² (93 km²) which houses shoes and other women things. (Some claim that the GUM store is Moscow, Russia is larger.) Macy's now occupies the entire block from 7th Avenue to Broadway and 34th to 35th Streets -- except for one small brownstone on the corner of 34th and Broadway, which remains a separate property, though rented by Macy's annually for a legendary figure, and camouflaged with giant signs.

The statistics shown in this paragraph are completely crazy. Do you realize just how large 152.15 million ft² (14.1 km²) actually is? Let alone it being expanded to 1 billion ft² (93 km²), or a 72 million ft² (6.7 km²) restaurant (meant to accomodate the whole of New York's population having dinner together, I guess). The whole island of Manhattan is some 640 million ft² (59.5 km²), and the whole Empire State Building's gross floor area amounts to some 2.2 million ft²; which means this article is claiming that Macy*s at Herald Square before expasion occupied an area equivalent to about 1/4 of Manhattan or some 70 times the floor space of the Empire State. That's to say, Macy*s should have supposedly occupied a colossal skyscraper raising to a height of some 1,500 floors over its entire block, dwarfing the Empire State by comparison, and that, far from content with their gargantuan department store, they decided to expand it to over 6 times that. Being a skyscraper fan, I'm really eager to discover Macy*s little 9,000-floor 20-mile-high Shopaholic Paradise Tower majestically crowning New York's skyline, or did I miss it because it's hidden as an underground shopping megalopolis? Uaxuctum 17:25, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Why don't you make the fixes? (NB: I wasn't the one responsible for these figures.) --Lukobe 18:29, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Well, what do you think? Simply because I don't know the actual correct data, which was precisely what I was looking for when I looked up this article. The given data are very obviously wrong by one or two orders of magnitude. At Macy*s website they only show a picture of that big sign on the façade of their store claiming it to be the biggest in the world, but don't offer the statistical data to support that claim (or at least I couldn't find them). Googling around I've only found this: http://www.federated-fds.com/retail/mae_1_3.asp (Macy*s East - Number of Stores: 95 - Total Gross Sq. Ft.: 23.089 million), which doesn't specify the shopping space of the Herald Square store, but makes clear that it's way smaller than the 152 million (let alone 1 billion) ft² data in this article. Uaxuctum 13:51, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Found it. Edit by user 68.72.127.149 at 01:21 on 18 Mar 2004 changed "with 198,500 sq. m. (2.15 million sq ft) of selling floor" into that absurdity of "152.15 million sq ft of selling floor and an additional 72 million square foot restaurant". Google finds the first figure confirmed at the Guinness's website: (http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=49581 "Largest Department Store: Macy's, an 11-story building occupying an entire block in Herald Square, New York City, USA, covers an area of 198,500 sq. m. (2.15 million sq ft)". Another absurdity ("They also have recently expanded to 1 billion sq ft which houses shoes and other women things") was added by user Yohoboq at 09:04 on 24 Mar 2004. I'm reverting those two edits and restoring the correct figure. Uaxuctum 23:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Too many states listed

"Macy's has 431 stores in Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, and Wyoming."

Wouldn't it be easier to list which states don't have Macy's in them? I think the better sentence would be "Macy's has 431 stores in Guam, Puerto Rico, and the United States with the expection of (put states names here)." Hyad 00:22, July 19, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, and it might even serve Federated leadership well to highlight (the few) untapped markets for the company. Like Arkansas, where we only have David's Bridal from the company. Also, after searching on the Federated site today, it appears that Macy's currently does not operate in Louisiana, where it had stores in the New Orleans metro area. It's likely a result of the hurricane damage, but I don't know at present of plans to re-establish operations. ArkansasTraveler 00:31, November 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Writing style

As a general comment, I believe the writing style and organization of this article could be improved. Most prominently, it reads like a narrative rather than an encyclopedia article. Anyone else agree? Ithacagorges 05:03, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

I have reshuffled the text in an attempt to make the article more readable. I have also added an intro because that was missing. Rl 08:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
It could also use some citations to support some of its weird assertions, such as the idea that the star comes from a tattoo on Mr. Macy. But there are too many other cool things I'm already researching for Wikipedia, so someone else will have to take care of that. --Coolcaesar 11:31, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Yes, and what exactly does "though Macy's rents it annually for a legendary sum" actually mean???

[edit] Name change to "Macy*s"

What is with changing the article name from "Macy's" to "Macy*s"? The use of an asterisk in the name is wildly nonstandard and a ridiculous indulgence of the corpration's vanity. They don't even bother to do it on their own website except in their logotype. Are we now to heed every requirement of every corporation to use whatever typographical fetish that strikes them? No publisher not on the Macy's payroll would even think of writing "Macy*s". It's ridiculous, especially without discussion and marked as minor. I say change it back. --Tysto 17:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Support changing it back to Macy's, agree with Tysto. Gene Nygaard 18:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support changing it back as well. Lukobe 18:39, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Support changing it back as well, with "Macy*s" redirecting to "Macy's" in the same manner that Wal*Mart redirects to "Wal-Mart." ArkansasTraveler 19:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Ha! Macy*s has long been an example of what not to do at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks), but I see it has already been corrected. Dragons flight 21:55, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that someone from IP address 24.46.171.247 replaced all occurances of "Macy's" to "Macy*s". I changed them back. I'm not sure if this was vandaism. The individual also added other relevant content.--Janus657 01:47, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge in "Macy's Florida"

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Macy's Florida is currently a small separate article that I consider worth merging into the main Macy's article. My rationale is that there is already an article for Burdines, the predecessor organization, plus this is part of a large number of brands that will be changing to or have already changed to the Macy's name. I think that the merge would be a very simple job, too. Thoughts? SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:12, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that Macy's Florida should remain a separate article because all the other divison have there own article and most of the historical nameplates are on a separate article also. I think just to leave the article just the way it is. Bucs2004 (Talk) 13:02, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Nah, all other divisions have their own page... 23:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)OtherPerson
Fair enough. I didn't realize that there were separate articles for each Macy's division. That needs work, then... SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
now you can merge in Macy's Florida

[edit] Macy's Competition

Macy's competes on an average price-level on par with Belk, Dillard's, J.C. Penney and Sears. Originally J.C. Penney and Sears were rivals below that of Macy's and Dillards, but ever since Sears merged with Kmart creating the Sears Holdings Corporation, many stores have been renovated, and designer merchandice like DKNY, Izod, etc. is sold. The same goes for J.C. Penney, without the whole merger thing. 23:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC) OtherPerson

-I disagree. Macy's is above all those stores. I have made the change.

What makes you disagree? Or is it your opinion... 07:33, 2 June 2006 (UTC) OtherPerson

Macy's is higher than Belk, Dillard's JC Penney and Sears. It is more on par with Lord and Taylor and Marshall Field's.

Lord and Taylor and Marshall Field's are going to be merged with Macy's. Lord and Taylor and Marshall Field's merchandise wouldn't be sold anymore. 22:31, 20 June 2006 (UTC) OtherPerson

Lord and Taylor is NOT going to be converted to Macy's but Marshall Field's is. The Lord and Taylor name is currently for sale. Bucs2004 03:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Look folks, with the downsizing of the retail scene, Macy's competes with Sears and JC Penney. No more is it positioned above those stores, especially since it is located everywhere. Macy's has stretched its name and, thus, caused it to not carry the same weight as it once had --Write On 1983 03:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Federated/May Merger

Since all of the former May Department Stores chains are currently transitioning to Macy's. Should we change all of the shopping malls articles that have a Famous-Barr, Filene's, Foley's, Hecht's, Kaufmann's, The Jones Store, L.S. Ayres, Meier & Frank, Marshall Field's, Robinsons-May, or Strawbridge's to Macy's or should we wait until the name changing becomes final in September? Bucs2004 03:44, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

No, we keep the old brands as separate articles but make it clear that they are now part of history. See Liberty House for an example. We do not need to merge that much stuff into this article (which is getting too long). --Coolcaesar 18:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

First, does this warrant its own topic (particularly one of several paragraphs) over what eventually developed into nothing more than a local public relations problem? Second, recent edits removed an apology from Ron Klein and inserted an earlier quote from a lower-ranked person and a critical comment from the local ACLU director -- the edits seemed intended to paint Macy's in a worse light than may be warranted (particularly removal of the apology). croll 21:32, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Edited the section and added some citations which were absent.croll


Since most the information in this section relates to different Macy's Divison, I feel that this "Controversy" piece should be split into different sections. For Example the part dealing with how Macy's dealt suspected shoplifters should be in the Macy's East article since in took place in New York. Also the Marshall Field's related actions should be placed within Macy's North. Controversy relating to Macy's as a whole (Federated Department Stores) should only be in this area.(MortalConviction 16:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC))

I couldn't disagree more. The shoplifter controversy regards nationwide Federated policy and actions. There was no special Macy's East policy regarding shoplifters. It was addressed in New York because the environment there was more conducive to cracking down on corporate crimes (due to Eliot Spitzer). If you start saying that it should be put in the most specific possible unit, that's pretty much hiding it from anyone who might be interested. Now, I'd understand if this stuff were moved to Federated Department Stores and replaced with a link to a controversy section of that article, but deleting the controversies and putting them in an obscure article is inappropriate. This information deserves its due weight. Calbaer 17:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Is the Phishing scam notable? I get these all the time in my junk email from all sorts of chain stores. I'll remove it pending some cites Alastairward (talk) 10:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What's up with Macy's new logo?

Am I the only one noticing it? I'm not too serious, but hmmmm. A red star?

Macy's logo has always been the red star. Bucs2004 00:41, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I concur. They have always had a red star somewhere in their logo. I think it has moved around a bit though. --Coolcaesar 17:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
"Inspired by thered star tattoed on his armin tribute to the star that guided him when lost at sea Macy replaces his original store's trademark rooster with what is now one of the most recognizeable retail marks of all time: the Macy's red star." Milestones of company from website Sfcollegeguy 08:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism?

Macy's seems to have a clear clase of vandalism right now - someone inserted "Macy's is owned by shady records" in the beginning, although when I go to edit the HTML, the code that comes up doesn't contain this. I'm relatively new at editing Wikipedia articles, and I don't know how to fix it, but it clearly needs fixing! 128.95.170.233 18:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Steve G in Seattle

OK, it's gone away. 128.95.170.233 18:16, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Steve G in Seattle

[edit] Date for branch stores

The article states that the first branch stores built by Macy's New York weren't until the 1980's, but the branch store at Colonie Center (near Albany) NY opened in 1966. Albany isn't considered part of the NY metro area by any stretch of the imagination, so something needs to be fixed here. --Snarkivist 19:12, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Why the hell was this moved?

  • Some newbie with the username Dirtyharry [This was User:Dirtyharry667 at 22:11, 14 July 2007: Anthony Appleyard 12:18, 15 July 2007 (UTC)] moved this article to Macy's department store without bothering to raise the issue here first. I'm moving it back right now! There is NO REASON to disambiguate under Wikipedia's common name policy because Macy's the department store is ALREADY the most common thing which speakers of the English language associate with the word Macy's.
If you disagree, please explain here first before moving the article. --Coolcaesar 21:43, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Why the hell was this moved is because you are a moron. Macy's is a DIVISION of Macy's Inc., the parent company. The parent company has a different history and was the PURCHASER OF MACYS DEPARTMENT STORE. If you had any BRAINS WHATSOEVER you would know that the parent is listed first and the division is listed after the parent company. In this case, both are called Macys, hence there needs to be a disambiguation.
Of course I realize you are a dumbass and don't know squat thats why I no longer waste my time contributing here. 22:10, 14 July 2007 User:65.60.242.218
Well, I quite agree with Coolcaesar and reverted the undiscussed and controversial move -- the department store, to my mind, is pretty clearly the primary topic here. The disambiguation note at the top of the page explains the relation with the parent company and easily allows people to get to that article. older ≠ wiser 12:47, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
I concur with older-wiser. There is no need for a disambiguation under the common name policy; that's the whole point of it. Macy's the department store is the most common thing associated with the name "Macy's," therefore, the article with the title Macy's should cover the department store. The common name policy says nothing about having to reflect a company's existing corporate hierarchy. Anyway, the parent was previously called Federated Department Stores and it's now called Macy's Inc., so there is no need to disambiguate from that. Disambiguation is necessary only when two things have the exact same name (byte-for-byte), but the parent itself was never' called just Macy's. --Coolcaesar 05:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I am challenging a recent edit by User:LTSLTS

User:LTSLTS recently inserted an awful photo of the Macy's West flagship store in San Francisco. The alleged subject of the image is mostly obscured by two palm trees, a crowd on the sidewalk, a cargo van, and a crowd of people. Plus the subject was photographed from over a block away from an awful off-center angle. Looks like LTSLTS flunked Photography 101 or was trying to shoot from a moving tour bus or cable car (never a good idea unless you really know what you're doing). I agree that there should be a Macy's West photo in this article, which is why I am replacing User:LTSLTS's photo with my own, which was removed by some other user over a year ago.

So I'm identifying two major issues here: (1) should there be a photo of the Macy's West store in this article at all, and (2) if so, whose photo. If anyone wants to challenge me on this issue, I am happy to debate the matter (and to take it to ArbCom if necessary). --Coolcaesar 09:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Macy's Brands

Maybe we can get a list of Macy's store brands? (i.e. I.N.C.) I came on to look for men's brands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.38.223.245 (talk) 12:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think Alfani is another Macy's clothing brand, but I'm not sure. Since anyways, lol, I've only gone into Macy's stores a handful of times, since all the former May stores were converted into Macy's. Not to mention, Frango mints seem to be the only thing that still attracts me into Macy's/ex-Field's stores anymore..... :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.91.114 (talk) 02:56, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

I am a former Macy's Employee for the Macy's South Division. According to page 16 of the Macy's Introduction Book given to employees at the time of the merger, there are 15 private labels.

These are:

Alfani American Rag Charter Club Club Room First Imoressions Green Dog Hotel Collection I-N-C International Concepts JM Collection John Ashford Material London Style & Co Taso Elba The Cellar Tools of the Trade

These are the major private label. There is also Macy's Holiday Lane, which is a line of Christmas Decor and Bella Cucina house household appliances. 72.179.186.100 (talk) 09:37, 12 February 2008 (UTC)MRO 2/12/08

[edit] Failed GA

Remove the trivia and convert it to prose. --Rschen7754 (T C) 05:31, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Store Closings

It should be known in the article that some Macy's stores are closing down in Indiana, Louisiana, three stores in Ohio, two in Texas and one in Utah. 75.16.158.120 (talk) 02:32, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dispute of deletion of comments regarding red star

Macy's has starting using the red star as their logo, why is this vandalism and not a fact. If anything a portion of this article should recognize that a red star is used by our fellow socialist Wikipedians as their symbol, as well as the insightful Macy's corporate people.

Response: The red Macy's star has been around since the 1850's when Roland Macy opened his first store in New York. Mr. Macy was a sea captain who became lost at sea and thought he was lost until a star appeared in the skies above him. He used that star to steer, and it guided him back to land. Once there, he had a star tatooed on his arm to keep that memory alive. He adopted the red star as a symbol for Macy's and it has been around ever since. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.23.85.90 (talk) 21:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What about New Haven, CT

It seems the author(s) was not aware, or had forgotten, that for many years there was a Macy's store in downtown New Haven,CT.

Please make appropriate changes.

Thanks,

Mark


Edit: Here's a quote from http://www.deadmalls.com/malls/chapel_square_mall.html:

"On the next block over, the city [New Haven] was fortunate to secure the first urban Macy's branch location out of NYC. It also was three floors and was connected to Malley's over George Street with another glass skywalk. Malley's opened in 1962 and Macy's in 1964, and then the Chapel Square Mall was opened in 1967."

And more importantly for you Wiki folks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_Square_Mall:

"The mall [Chapel Square Mall, New Haven] was designed by New York Architects, Lathrop Douglas with two levels and 165,000 square feet. It was anchored by two adjacent department stores: the New Haven-based Edward Malley Company, (1962-1981) (which was relocated here from where Chapel Square's office tower and Omni Hotel are now located), and a large branch of New York City-based, Macy's, (1964-1993). Both were built at earlier stages in the development."

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.234.70.176 (talk) 17:28, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What about New Haven, CT

It seems the author(s) was not aware, or had forgotten, that for many years there was a Macy's store in downtown New Haven,CT.

Please make appropriate changes.

Thanks,

Mark Nickatmartinis (talk) 21:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Nickatmartinis, April 14, 2008


Edit: Here's a quote from http://www.deadmalls.com/malls/chapel_square_mall.html:

"On the next block over, the city [New Haven] was fortunate to secure the first urban Macy's branch location out of NYC. It also was three floors and was connected to Malley's over George Street with another glass skywalk. Malley's opened in 1962 and Macy's in 1964, and then the Chapel Square Mall was opened in 1967."

And more importantly for you Wiki folks, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel_Square_Mall:

"The mall [Chapel Square Mall, New Haven] was designed by New York Architects, Lathrop Douglas with two levels and 165,000 square feet. It was anchored by two adjacent department stores: the New Haven-based Edward Malley Company, (1962-1981) (which was relocated here from where Chapel Square's office tower and Omni Hotel are now located), and a large branch of New York City-based, Macy's, (1964-1993). Both were built at earlier stages in the development." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickatmartinis (talk • contribs) 20:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] jonas brothers

dear joe and nick jonas

                        i have a really big crush on u guys i will give u my number and address

                                          #909-1138 14 silas woods rood ,manorville



                             LOVE U A LOT

                                                 victoria teresa sergio  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.47.8.230 (talk) 00:09, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for article

  • Could someone create an article for the former President Herb Yalof? Thanks! Jccort (talk) 18:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)