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[edit] Historically funny

For a famous failure this version of the article reads like is was written by a still deluded project manager. I have begun a rewrite.

Hee hee, that is funny. If it has been in service with the Army since 1983, why did we only have M163_VADS in 1989? L0b0t 12:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You are forgetting about MIM-72/M48 Chaparral. Vulcan was short range, Chaparral was long range. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 10:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

The Chap is still considered short range by the army. Chap along with Stinger, Vulcan, Linebacker, and Avenger PMS, comprise SHORAD (short range air-defence). For long range ADA you're looking at Hawk, Patriot and Improved Patriot.K1ng l0v3 15:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

<thunk>I forgot Patriot. Chaparral and Vulcan are no longer in service- I think even the Guard no longer has them. Through the mid-80s, Nike was the real long range, Chaparral was medium, Vulcan short and Redeye manpack. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I forgot all about Nike. When I was in in the late 80s early 90s we got to shoot off many, many Redeyes for Stinger training as the Stinger was too expensive to live-fire. During AIT at Ft. Bliss all the Vulcan, Stinger, Chap, MOS's went to one part of post and the Patriot, Hawk folks went to another. SHORAD was considered Combat Arms while the long-range stuff was Divisional Support so women were allowed to serve with Hawk/Patriot. I miss the Vulcan sooo much. Mine is in the ADA museum at Bliss now, because we sank a PT boat with it during Just Cause. K1ng l0v3 16:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I was staff at the Pershing school at Redstone Arsenal in the mid-80s. The Nike school was beside us. I watched them pack up Nike, bring in Roland, pack that up and bring in Sergeant York. Forgot about Hawk- I guess that was the long range mobile. I ended up in charge of all the land combat maintenance shops for a time, including the Vulcan and Chaparral but I really didn't know much about them. Air defense used such a mix of stuff that it is confusing. Air Defense Artillery could really provide a good overview on this, but it is just a stub right now. Pershing was Field Artillery and I was Ordnance, so I'm not real up on ADA organization. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 16:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Programs

Let's see- MIM-46A Mauler was canceled and replaced "short term" by Chaparral. Chaparral was supposed to be replaced by Roland which was canceled and replaced by Sergeant York, canceled and replaced by ADATS, canceled and finally replaced by Bradley Linebacker. Think this should be mentioned? --Gadget850 ( Ed) 01:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)