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Since when is M-84 a Croatian tank? That was a Yugoslavian tank, not Croatian, and many factories produced components for the final product. Therefore, that should be corrected.

It says pre 1991 Yugoslav. Try reading the text more carefully.

I Changed it. Now its right.

Well, some Slovene loving Croat (89.172.201.48) seems to have changed it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.210.214.97 (talk) 17:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

M84 was manufactured in Croatia, but, it is not Croatian tank, it was Yugoslav tank, true, but since there is no more Yugoslavia...

None the less, M95 is a Croatian tank, and there is no question abut it, :)88.111.164.48 16:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

http://www.nacional.hr/articles/view/10471/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mic of orion (talk • contribs) 22:55, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to update this a bit, it seems, new engine, new turret and quite a few systems will be available on new M84D/95 tanks. tank is still being worked on and I had a chat with someone who is working on the M84D/M95 project, and they are looking at new turret, 1200 Horsepower engine might be a standard, but 1500 Horsepower engine is also being looked at. New turret will resemble that of Leo 2 A5 tank, but nothing is certain yet, one thing they really want to avoid is ammo storage and vulnerability of the ammo compartment to burst if hit.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7863/m95degmanlj4.jpg

Users - Bosnia (220) - is there any reference on this?

"Bosnia started a own production of the M-95 Degman, witch have a better system then the Croatian version. The Bosnian version cost 50 million dollar more then the Croatian version. The bosnian version have a V12 turbo engien how give a 2,000 HP and have a Operational range on 1,200 km. The tank have air-to-air defence system, it is only on the bosnian version M-95 deman AB-1, AB-2 have full air-to-air defence system and the AB-3 have a rocket system. The croation version have some problems with the cannon, it works slow, that have the bosnian version fixed. The Bosnian version have max speed on 100 km/h and can hit 550 km in top speed. The M-95 Degman AB-4 are stared production, only 3 are build and hve a operatinal range on 2,000 km with the ACSD system. Bosnia hve only sold 50 versions to Iran, Irak and Serbia for 990 million dollar." - sounds like a fisherman's tale...

Users - Bosnia (220) - LOL, I think Bosnia guy is taking a piss, utter nonsense to all these statements, he has no clue.

Bosnia fields NO M-95 tanks nor it plans to purchase any, M-95 tanks are Croatian Tanks with new turret (about 4x3.2m) where as M84A1/A4 tank turret is 2.65x2.8m turret giving less protection than M95 tank and quite distinct difference between the two tanks.

Also, NO tank in the world has range of 2000km, let alone 550km at full speed, utter nonsense, I think that guy is totally gone where no one has gone before (bonkers) LOL.

I'd revert any changes made by him and have him report for vandalizing, but as wiki is open and anyone with the dynamic IP... there is little that can be done about this other than report him or lock the article and allow only original editors on the articles can edit the article. That would be extreme measure, but sometimes it is only alternative against spamming. Again, NO, M95 tank is a Croatian tank, Croatia won't be exporting these as they are way to expensive (about 25 million Kuna - 5million USD) and very few countries can afford this price, let alone Bosnia or Iran. Alternative is M84D upgrade program which consist of few changes to FCS and added ERA Armour + RCWS. But even these are quite expensive therefore issue of price and affordability...