Talk:Māori King Movement

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 Māori King Movement was the New Zealand Collaboration of the Fortnight from 30 July, to 13 August 2006
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Te atairangikaahu married Whatumoana Paki in 1952 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 125.236.44.41 (talk • contribs) .


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[edit] "Monarch" numerals

Somebody had labelled every monarch herein as "NAME I, Māori King." However, it is incorrect to do so. A monarch can only become NAME I after there has been a NAME II. For example: Queen Elizabeth I of England was known simply as "Queen Elizabeth" until HM Queen Elizabeth II became Queen. William I, Henry I, Edward I (who should've strictly been Edward III), Richard I, George I all had "I" added after there has been a William II, Henry II, Edward II, etc. Hence why King Stephen, King John and Queen Victoria are styled without an "I" numeral, because there is only one of each.

This system of retrospective "I" enumeration is not just a British system, but is the system around the world and would thus, if used correctly, apply to the Māori kings. There can not be a Koroki I if there has been no Koroki II.

[edit] Hereditary/Election????

"It is a hereditary role, the succession occurs through the primogeniture mechanism. The current Māori Queen, Te Atairangi Kaahu, is of the line of the first Māori King, Potatau Te Wherowhero and was elected in 1966."->Being a hereditary role, how can there be an election? It is an assumption of power. --Midnighttonight 04:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC) EDITED: that was all me, not an anon followed by me. --Midnighttonight 08:45, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe it is not hereditary. Tawhiao was chosen from several contenders including his sister and Kerei and Wiremu Tamihana. When Te Rata died, a choice was made between Koroki and his 2nd cousin Te Puea (see http://www.teara.govt.nz/1966/M/MaoriKingElectionAndCoronation/MaoriKingElectionAndCoronation/en). And I believe Piki (Te Atairangi Kaahu) was not an automatic choice. I'll contact the editor who added that sentence to the article. Nurg 03:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
My apologies, the source which I cited that from said that it was through such a mechanism; albeit, I wrote that in the article a long time ago now and I cannot relocate that source. The clear contradiction must mean that the Hereditary statement should be removed. -- Greaser 01:33, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I think it is arguable that this is an elective monarchy so I have changed the wording to reflect the potential for disagreement on that point. Other elective monarchies it is clear who the candidates are, and how the nomination process would work. The vatican for example, draws its candidates from the college of cardinals. It appears that the tribal leaders in this system draw their candidates from a royal family, and there has not been a monarch from outside that family. It also seems likely that there is an ethnic requirement that the candidate must be, racially, a maori. The argument that the monarchy has hereditary aspects should not be squelched or this tends towards a one-way POV towards an elective monarchy. Sandwich Eater 17:49, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Te Paki o Matariki

I would suggest a pic and explanation of Te Paki o Matariki be added to this site. As well as the royal flags.


[edit] Lord Derby

I don't suppose anyone knows which "Lord Derby" the text refers to? I've made a guess but since there is not exact date there is at least one other possibility. - SimonLyall 10:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

That seems correct, as Edward Stanley was Secretary of State for the Colonies at the time of the petition.--Lholden 21:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Non-English Language

This article makes use of several non-English terms. These ought either to be defined or else English language equivalents used. --Aaron Walden Image:Tsalagisigline.gif 12:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Which terms do you refer to? --Lholden 21:06, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Role of other iwi

I guess the article be updated to include the suggestions that have appeared in the NZ Herald that the other iwi are largely just 'rubber-stamping' the selection by Tainui Nil Einne 01:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I haven't heard anything to that effect and it doesn't sound very plausible. I think I'd leave that out, especially if it's just suggestion. Mona-Lynn 08:46, 19 August 2006 (UTC)