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[edit] NPOV

I do not think it is neutral pov to construe a certain interpretation of the play as "laughable".(although it is a comedy)

Actually it's true that women could not withhold sex, but the play itself addresses the point, where the women's oath includes a line about "if he has me by force, I will be cold and not aid him in any way" (the women knew where they stood!). But a pro-war interpretation is a bizarre idea completely at odds with everything we know about Aristophanes - it would absolutely have to be sourced from a notable scholar or critic. Stan 13:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Conflicting info

Second paragraph states that the play was performed at the Lenaia and not the festival of Dionysus (as commonly believed). Second last paragraph (Re: Lysistrata 100) suggests the play was, in fact, performed at the Dionysus festival. By the way, is there a flag/tag for "conflicting information"? -- RedSirus (Fairly new and not knowing how to autosign)

I don't know of any special tag. This note on the talk page is probably sufficient. I note the OCD pointedly omits mention of performance locale, suggesting that both Lenaea and Dionysia assignments are speculative. Stan 18:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sex strike?

Witholding sex is named as an insite link but there's no article so i'm removing it 141.153.203.145 02:07, 18 August 2006 (UTC) that was meOmishark 02:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

"One of the humorous aspects of the play was that the main actors portraying male characters wore phalluses." This is not a humourous aspect of this play... It is an aspect of all Greek Comedies... Furius 05:38, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Can it not be humorous white still being an aspect of all Greek Comedies. Slapstick was an aspect of all Vaudville reviews, but that doesn't make it not humorous. I see the point you're trying to make of the ahistorical view that the writer of that statement has of strappping on a phallus, but is there a historical argument that they didn't find it funny? For what reason did they strap them on if not for humor? --129.105.165.162 21:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anthropologists Assertion

"Some archaeologists and evolutionary anthropologists argue that human culture itself was initially established, in Africa around a hundred thousand years ago, by women who organized a sex-strike once a month."

Can anyone back this up? I asked for a citation on the main page. proath01 00:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dresden Dolls Reference

Should we mention that the The Dresden Dolls' song 'Shores of California' refers to the play by name? I'm not sure so I'll let another make the call. ForestJay 21:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] relevence?

"As with all Greek comedies, the actors portraying male characters wore phalluses, but since audiences of the day were accustomed to this convention, there would be no shock-humour as might be experienced by the modern audiences of today."

i do not understand why this paragraph is even on this page. if it's the case in all greek comedies, then why are we mentioning it specifically on this page? it seems more like a response to something on a discussion page, not something encyclopedic. Deutschebag17 21:00, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lioness on a cheese grater

please, if you know, put the rest of us out of our miseryNankai 07:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

It's not essential, but it would be useful to me (if no else) if the article showed how the name is pronounced. --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Performaces

Some of the performances listed are not notable, I think, so am removing them. Discuss if you disagree.

  1. "In 2007 the play was staged for PBS by MacMillan Films." No ref to it at PBS, and no ref to PBS at McMillan.
  2. A picture caption also mentioned PBS.
  3. "In 2008 members of Galway Youth Theatre will stage Max Hafler's modern-day version..." What makes this notable? Is the title even accurate? A wiki page for Galway Youth Theatre would be a start?

Colfer2 (talk) 16:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ending?

how does the play end? it seems that very little wiriting is devoted to the actual play...

[edit] Popular culture

Editor MarritzN (talk ยท contribs) labeled this section 'trivia' today. I'm going to revert and refer here for discussion. Pop culture refs are akin to literary allusions. They are not trivia, as the matter cannot easily be integrated into the rest of the article, which the tag would suggest. Each allusion should be judged on its own merit as to notability. The 4 items listed are:

  • Gilligan's Island episode
  • M*A*S*H episode
  • Utopia song
  • Little Mosque on the Prairie episode

Maybe the name of the section should be change to "Cultural references", to include stuff besides "pop" culture. Opinions? -Colfer2 (talk) 19:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your explaining your rationale behind removing my tag. I propose that we keep as notable only the items listed that could be integrated into the (currently very piecemeal/disjointed) Modern Interpretations section (variations on the "sex strike" theme that postdate the original play). This would make something like the M*A*S*H episode fair game for listing, as the whole episode is an extended treatment of the theme. A single reference in a Gilligan's Island episode, I think, hardly merits a mention and falls under the category of the trivial. Using this criterion, I think we can keep Little Mosque as well, but we should scrap the Utopia song. Whaddya say? MarritzN (talk) 14:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. -Colfer2 (talk) 11:55, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for making the update today. -Colfer2 (talk) 19:49, 24 April 2008 (UTC)