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[edit] Article existence

Why does this deserve an article? Adam Bishop 02:49, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It doesn't. Vancouverguy 03:54, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It does now. ςפקιДИτς 14:43, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Article sounds too much like a praise/advertisement. It also glosses over the nasty aspects of the school, such as guzzling student's money by charging 10 cents for every piece of printing paper. Squareenix 19:01, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Lynbrook deserves an article because it's an academically-influential high school in the third largest city in California...and because it's sex0r 12.226.20.236 04:44, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Why shouldn't lynbrook deserve an article? Most schools have one. Plus, the article doesn't sound like a praise. It just includes facts. Obviously, so-called "nasty" aspects are not included because matters such as charging 10 cents are trivial matters! Lynbrook isn't a rich school, but it certainly is a very good one! Bonduckie 19:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

As of 2007 Lynbrook is rated by US News and World Report as one of the top 100 high schools (academically speaking) in the US. OF COURSE they deserve to be on Wiki. As to the 10 cents a page, too bad....time to learn that not everything will be free to you.

Also, the OFFICIAL school colors are RED, WHITE AND BLUE, not blue and white with red as an occasional color. The fight song clearly states 'rah, rah, red white and blue"......The colors have been red, white, and blue, since day one. LHS Class of 1971 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Desertduck (talk • contribs) 20:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] From VfD

Lynbrook High School has been kept and merged with Spectator Club

the club and school together were formerly intermixed - separating - apologies for any misrepresentation -- your friendly local refactorer, Martin 16:33, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)

  • Spectator Club - non-famous high school club. Evil saltine 01:50, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. RickK 02:44, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • The club article should be deleted, since there is a link to the HS website in the main article, where such transient details could go. Jgm 13:03, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • axe it, axe it good. Poor Yorick 02:48, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I'm afraid I vote to keep. Inclusionism is getting to me. -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 14:48, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
    • merge article into highschool and keep highschool article. - Marshman 06:01, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. Evil saltine 06:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:15, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I would like to propose merging into San Jose, California.
    • Delete. Gentgeen 08:35, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. There must be 100s of clubs with this name, worldwide. Martin 16:33, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • School, perhaps; a club at that school, no way. Wiwaxia 20:29, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Merge with high school articl. --Jiang 03:16, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
  • Lynbrook High School, the high school where the club exists. Adam Bishop 01:51, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep high school. --Daniel C. Boyer 17:37, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. RickK 02:44, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I'm sympathetic to deletion, but a high school has a higher population than many other places with Wikipedia articles: list of places with fewer than ten people. Martin 11:46, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure I see a problem with a crisp article about a particular High School, as this seems to be -- is there a particular policy about what levels of institution make acceptable entries (there are some High Schools that are more notable than some Colleges, for example)? Jgm 13:03, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • axe it, axe it good. Poor Yorick 02:48, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • merge info on club into article on school and keep as redirect -- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen 14:48, Oct 9, 2003 (UTC)
    • While it seems inconceivable that every school (highschool, secondary, etc.) should be in here, I really cannot think of any reason why not. Keep - Marshman 05:01, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Yet another thing we need to decide on: Does every high school in the world belong in Wikipedia? Seems like we're going to need a formal policy on this kind of stuff. (I vote no.) Axlrosen 19:00, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I would vote no as well...otherwise I'm going to have to write an article about my high school, it's famous because the former bass player for Kittie went there! Adam Bishop 21:21, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I can suggest as a general rule: no schools below colleges. Place a link on the appropriate town article to the school's website instead. - Marshman 03:10, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep Lirath Q. Pynnor
    • There's nothing about it that makes it especially well known; maybe a better idea would be to put high schools on the respective town's page. Evil saltine 06:19, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete. -- BCorr ¤ Брайен 23:15, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • "Yet another thing we need to decide on", says Axlrosen. Not at all! There is no point in having lots of separate arbitrary rules for different types of articles. We only need one all-encompassing general rule: keep anything that can be verified; remove anything that's can't. I can't imagine that any school in the US could be founded without somebody somewhere writing about it. Therefore there is bound to be verifiable information about all of them. Therefore we can keep all of them. QED. :) This school gets about 3,650 Google matches, by the way. That's quite a lot. (The club, on the other hand, only gets 8 matches, and its own website provides only about a sentence of usable information, so I can't imagine how to get an article from that.) -- Oliver P. 06:52, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • I would like to propose merging into San Jose, California.
      • The problem with that sugestion is that Santa Clara County, California has 37 high schools, with the majority either in or near San Jose. For larger cities like Los Angeles or New York, the merging of info from high school articles would be unmanagable. In this case, I say delete, yet keep the option of letting truely famous schools in open. (I hope that my two aunts who graduated from Lynbrook don't get offended) Gentgeen 08:35, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
        • I agree with your first two sentences, but counter your third suggestion with that old favourite, m:Wiki is not paper. -- Oliver P. 10:39, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep. Wartortle 22:16, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Well, what if a "college" _is_ a "high school"? Like, say, Upper Canada College? Should there be economic criteria as well? Or maybe just a rule-of-thumb type thing, such as "Have famous people attended this school? *Really* famous people? Would attending this school have impacted them significantly?" Something along those lines. Kelvin Palm 21:58, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC) 15:57, 15 Oct [GMT-6]
  • ok, I'm wavering now. The school district Lynbrook is in is famous. In the late 1990's, people from Hong Kong were buying houses in the neighborhood, sight unseen, above the asking price, in cash, just to live in this district. Lynbrook was the school everyone wanted, too. Cupertino and Fremont were ok, but Lynbrook was the star. I'm now favoring keep, but expand the article. Gentgeen 23:21, 15 Oct 2003 (UTC)
    • Keep, until we develop a guideline for inclusion of high school. Otherwise, I'm going to nominate every high school article I can find for deletion. --Jiang 03:16, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
      • In my opinion, discussing this here is just the way to develop the guideline. Andre Engels 08:41, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)
      • Keep any article on a high school that is factual and verifiable. We're not paper, and someone may legitimately come here looking for information on a high school. It does no harm, and could be good2toise 09:53, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

add a section with notable students and alumni? Young chess prodigy Vinay Bhat attended this school, and Matthew Ho, another chess wizard, will be graduating this year. Eight 88888888 01:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Keep- it's factual information. It doesn't do any harm as toise said. --69.109.116.90 21:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

What did this school do to be granted the honor of being on Wikipedia? It's not like a US president went there, nor is it a world-famous school. I say that unless it is globally renowned, like Harvard or Stanford, it doesn't deserve an article. Squareenix 19:05, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reverted last edits by anon user

Edits aren't blatantly vandalism but they seem odd to me, so I reverted to the last known good version. If anon user can identify why they changes were made, they can certainly go back in. Elf | Talk 04:58, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Notes and question

I wouldn't overplay the role that Lynbrook's quality plays in housing prices in the area. I also question whether it's solely income that keeps latinos, blacks, etc. from living in the area.

Question: it lists virtually *all* extracurricular activities as being "nationally renowned"--I have a hard time believing this. Are there any sources that anyone can cite that indicates that any of them in specific are nationally renowned?

Elf | Talk 00:02, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

there are still some latinos and blacks here, but they're not that many. i just think they dont feel that comfortable in an asian-american neighborhood, but income is probably still a very important factor. 205.173.47.254 21:24, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Why phone number should not be in school article

I think its a mistake to put phone numbers in wiki articles. Virtually everybody has a web access (as this is how they get here), so they can visit the school's home page, and get the current number there. The phone number may well change, but, this article may not change. Even if this article is updated to reflect a new phone number, expired copies of the article will float around on mirrors (and maybe even CDs) for a long time after. Also, posting of phone numbers often encourages people to call, without bothering read where the school actually is. Now, other info can also (obviously) change, but if a web url is invalid, there's no harm in clicking on it. Dialing a wrong number, is bothersome. --rob 21:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

removed now. Cool sword 00:49, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Lynbrook and Monta Vista have been featured in a front-page Wall Street Journal article, The New White Flight. It's an interesting read.

[edit] POV tag

I agree with User:Lotsofissues's removal of the POV tag. Maybe it's not perfect, but I certainly can't find any obvious examples of POV. Jasmol 22:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The last little bit about Monta Vista and Lynbrook's schools cultures being different makes it seem like Lynbrook's is better. It is definitely not true that Monta Vista is only about academics which is what that last paragraph seems to imply. Should it be taken out? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.54.161.232 (talk • contribs) .

Yup, I think that's a subjective comment and hard to prove, although I don't see that it really implies that one or the other is better. Elf | Talk 17:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Class presidents?

Is it really necessary to list the presidents of each class at the high school? Frankly, half the kids in the school probably don't care, let alone anyone looking on Wikipedia. Unless someone can give a good reason to keep them, I'll remove them in a few days--Metros232 02:05, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it should be there. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 03:59, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary; too transient. OhNoitsJamieTalk 04:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Ditto. -Will Beback 04:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

As a student of this school, I say that this information is irrelevant to the article. There shouldn't even be an article in the first place!Squareenix 19:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academics

This article needs to put less emphasis on Lynbrook's high scores. There is also a certain number of "stupid people" in the school, and not everybody here is a smartie. Many people are concerned about getting into college, but it's far from what it's like at Gunn, Palo Alto, Mission San Jose, etc. Cool sword 04:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Trust me, they say the same things too. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 04:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
That's what Lynbrook is best known for, so I think it should have considerable discussion in the article. Copysan 17:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Like nearby Monta Vista High School, Lynbrook has high grades on the average, although Monta Vista's scores tend 
to be slightly higher."

I think the last part beginning with "although..." should be removed. If one looks at June/July 2006, it used to read

"although Monta Vista's scores tend to be much higher.

Back in April 2006, someone changed

As of 2004, Lynbrook High School's base API averaged 892, which is similar to those of Saratoga High School,
Mission San Jose High School, Gunn High School, Eastside High School, Prospect High School, Westside High 
School, Harrison High School, and Monta Vista High School.

to

As of 2004, Lynbrook High School's base API averaged 892, which is similar to those of Saratoga High School, 
Mission San Jose High School, Gunn High School, Eastside High School, Prospect High School, Westside High School, 
Harrison High School, and slightly below Monta Vista High School.

While a side by side API score comparison is valid and useful for parents when choosing schools, these are really boiling down to rivalry comparisons between the schools. "Monta Vista's scores tend to be slightly higher" also doesn't seem to have much backing to the statement. 71.128.33.2 01:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Staff

Lots of the staff lists in the article are outdated. Should be removed or updated. Current list here: http://lhs.fuhsd.org/staffdir/

[edit] Squareenix

I removed Squareenix's prod (as per the rules) and removed his "10 cent" "rip off" editorializing. Squareenix hates the school. I get it. I know many people who hate/hated Lynbrook. However, it recently made the front page of the Wall Street Journal, it's won several awards, and it's a major feeder for UC Berkeley. It's not Bronx Science, but most people would probably say it's notable. That can be debated, especially since Wikipedia:Schools hasn't been agreed to. But adding trivial, unsourced information based on the student rumor mill harms the article. It's questionable whether it's vandalism. Wikipedia is not a soapbox, so please take your 10 cent campaign elsewhere. Calbaer 21:20, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Objection!

Wikipedia is a site made to list the facts. I'm not trying to start a riot or anything, but rather put to light certain aspects of the subject that appear to be tactfully unmentioned. Besides, I never wrote "rip-off" in the actual article.Squareenix 17:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. cough cough final fantasy

[edit] Freshmen as largest class

We don't really need any citations to state that the Class of 2010 is the largest, because if you look when there is a rally, freshmen are obviously the biggest class around. I am personally not a freshman, but this is pretty obvious if you're a Lynbrook student who has seen a rally before. Therefore, I don't think the "citation needed" template is necessary. CoolSword2 (talk) 18:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, but I live on the east coast of the US. I don't get to see the rallies. And who's to say that a lot of the seniors didn't cut out on the rally? Or anything like that. It needs to be cited. Metros (talk) 18:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Problem is, there is nowhere on the Internet that gives this kind of information. No info whatsoever on class size. Lynbrook teachers and students won't doubt that, and lots of Lynbrook people read this also. I have not changed the "citation needed" template yet. CoolSword2 (talk) 20:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
If it's not verifiable through a reliable source (i.e. not just your first hand accounts of the rallies), then the statement should be taken out of the article. Metros (talk) 21:22, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikification and references

OK, let's solve the problems that the boxes are saying we're having here.

[edit] Wikification

I've tried to wikify it, is it good enough now? What other suggestions are there for change?

I'm going to remove the wikification template box if you think it's OK to do so. CoolSword2 (talk) 21:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

The 2 main sources have been:

  1. The Lynbrook website at http://www.lhs.fuhsd.org
  2. The Greatschools profile of Lynbrook at http://yahooed.greatschools.net/modperl/browse_school/ca/5499

We should link the info in this article to specific pages on those sites. CoolSword2 (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)