User talk:Lvklock

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[edit] Bear River Massacre

I am indeed interested in learning more about this event and things connected to it. I might be able to get a copy of the Utah Historical Quarterly from my local library (I live in Logan, Utah), or get it from Utah State University, so you don't need to go through any special effort to get a copy to me.

Thanks for the reference, however, and it looks like something perhaps I should try and dig up to add some additional references in this article. I've been meaning to give it a second look, and to clean up some of the unreferenced sections that I left dangling as uncited "facts". Building up the biliography alone would be worth it, especially if this source is as good as you claim. --Robert Horning (talk) 16:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arthur Foss (tugboat)

You mentioned adding references for the Arthur Foss (tugboat) article, which I had tagged as needing reference improvements. The tag is to indicate serious problems. If you have improved the references and judge it does not need deserve the tag (even though it could still be improved, as an article can always be improved), then yes you should remove the tag. Anyone can add such a tag and anyone can remove such a tag. In this article, setting aside any plagiarism issue, the article seems to me now to be well-referenced and you would certainly remove the tag at this point.

About the plagiarism issue, though, I agree there is a problem. Three sentences in the first paragraph for example seem to be copied pretty much word-for-word from the 5th reference to the article. That reference is not a public domain source, so this is also copyright violation, I suppose. Some say anything as long as a three-word sequence copied is plagiarism; i would allow a bit more than 3 words in a row but here the word sequences are longer and clearly suggest copying, not independent coincidental ly similar wording. Can you reword the overlapping material? And/or put any specific assertions into quotes, crediting that site? I find it disappointing, always, to find plagiarism, but you've done well to catch it. Thanks for asking! doncram (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] USCGC Fir formatting etc

Thanks for cleaning up. Yes, the NBSP; character is apparently to be used in measurements, to keep the number and the unit of measurement together. I only learned about that from the automated review of the List of NHLs in New York, and subsequent discussion, within the peer review (which is still open at Wikipedia:Peer review/List of National Historic Landmarks in New York/archive1). Thanks again. doncram (talk) 06:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Daytona Beach NRHPs

Thank you for getting the pics of the Bartholomew J. Donnelly House and Tourist Church. I was going to try last weekend, but with Bike Week, thought it best to postpone. If you could get more shots of NRHPs there, it would be great. The list I'm using to keep track of what's need is here. And thanks for adding my photo to the Ponce de Leon Inlet Light article. I definitely need to go back on a nicer day, though, and get better shots, including ones from the top, doncha know :) -Ebyabe (talk) 23:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Florida on-line historic site documents

Hi -- In response to your question to me. http://www.flheritage.com/preservation/sitefile/faq.cfm indicates it might be possible to get on-line access to Florida documents, but it appears you would have to differentiate yourself from "the general public". Being an amateur but experienced writer of wikipedia articles could possibly suffice, I wonder.

"Q. Is Site File information available online? A. We do not offer self-service internet searches to the general public partly due to security concerns and due to archaeological site location and building plan Sunshine Law exemptions. Cultural Resource Management professionals may be able to gain time-limited, electronic access to files through a secure, password protected application but will need to contact Site File personnel for more information."

Hope this helps. Please do let me know if they do give you access. doncram (talk) 13:14, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Willard Memorial Chapel

I do think a list of RHPs would be too unwieldy too soon. About Willard Memorial Chapel: originally a seminary, later 7th day adventist, now community center/wedding venue. I don't know what religion a seminary is. Maybe if the list of NHLs that are churches is put into a table, there needs to be more than one column for religion, like:

Name
State
Religion 1: religion of primary association with the site
Religion 2: religion of secondary association

Go ahead, make a table out of it! doncram (talk) 02:04, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] nrhp multiple author reference

There's a bug with the referencing system, so using first= and last= and otherauthor= (or some such field like otherauthor) does not work properly. So don't use any of those fields when there are multiple authors, use something like "author=Joseph S. Smith, Betty Boop, and Harold Vanderkamp" instead. That's what i do. doncram (talk) 19:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could put first author's name into Last, First format, as in "author=Smith, Joseph S., Betty Boop, and Harold Vanderkamp". This distinction is not very important, but that might appear better in a reference list with other single authored references that do appear in Last, First name order. This is how most academic journal reference lists would be prepared, as far as i know. Further, practice is to leave the 2nd and other authors in First Last name order, probably because adding commas just convolutes it all and could make it difficult to read which set of names append together to make one author name. Hope this helps. doncram (talk) 21:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Virginia NHLs

Hi -- I've started working on List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. I'd be very pleased if you were interested in contributing some edits there or in the NHL articles it indexes. I've invited Clariosophic and Kudzuvine also to work on that list, and invited Bedford to work on one specific article that I think he might be interested in.

Hopefully Kudzuvine will be interested and will work on the HABS pics available for many Virginia NHLs (again as there were lots for South Carolina, while there are relatively fewer HABS pics for historically industrial states like Ohio and New York.) But I don't know if he's interested in going outside of South Carolina much.

I do find it a lot more fun to work on a list where there are other nice people contributing too. Anyhow, you're invited!

Cheers, doncram (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Clariosophic says he will help too. Oops, sorry those links within Alexandria Historic District were just bad. I respond further about that at Talk:List of National Historic Landmarks in Virginia. Glad you're on board. What would you like to do? I do observe the NRHP document is there for Aquia Church, the next one on the list. It would be great if you wanted to, but maybe there are other things you'd prefer to do than develop write-ups from those documents. I'll try to sketch out some other task ideas in the Talk page of the list. doncram (talk) 04:29, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, well, i liked having the map show in the Pittsylvania County Courthouse article. Perhaps because it shows where Pittsylvania County is located and that is part of the name of the place, and part of why the place is out of the way, a possibly "hick" place where discrimination could flourish, to speculate a bit. I tend to wipe out the maps when the location gets redundant, like if there are 30 NHLs in New Orleans and everyone knows where there that is already. You could choose to edit differently. By the way, this one would be easy to do a quick DYK for. doncram (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 21 April 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Weippe Prairie, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 00:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey congratulations. I had just noticed it, see it is on the main page and take a picture of it there. :) I took a print to PDF file, using that PDF995, of it.... doncram (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] dyk, too

Thanks, got ur note that Carter Hall (Millwood, Virginia) was lead dyk with pic, then went to see it. YAY! i took a pdf pic of it just now too. It was a Daniel from australia, not Daniel Case, who posted the DYK notice to my page, by the way. I think he/they must have liked that the pic included the portico which was part of the interesting fact of the cateract (?) op there.... doncram (talk) 01:34, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cataldo Mission wipeout

I am objecting to Vatsun's elimination of some of our final work product in Cataldo Mission and all of our edit history by an abrupt merger with no discussion. See User talk:Vatsun#Cataldo Mission / Old Mission State Park. doncram (talk) 02:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry that the merge was done without your say. I didn't use a merge tag, and that was caused the problem. It can always be reversed and done right, and I am not opposed to that, as long as it is done correctly. Please review my comment that I made atTalk:Old_Mission_State_Park. "Vatsun | Talk" 17:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Catskill articles

Not at all! I live down in Orange County, so I don't get up to Greene County too much. I do hike up in the Catskills there, and, as Rowena Memorial School and Thomas Cole Mountain demonstrate, I try to take relevant pictures there when I do. But at current gas prices it would be a while till I could jutify going up to Catskill to shoot those pictures. I still have a backlog of images but none include anything in Greene County, currently. I'm glad you started those articles ... I will probably use the stuff from the RHP noms to flesh them out (thank God NYSOPRHP puts all that online). I was going to leave you a note to that effect.

While you're at this, I invite you to join WikiProject Hudson Valley. We're slowly getting things moving. Daniel Case (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NY NPS areas

Thanks! for creating descriptions for them, within List of NHLs in NY. That was one of the last deficiencies preventing its nomination to Featured List. Will review it all later. Thanks again doncram (talk) 17:06, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Marcellus photo needed

I commented in Wikipedia:Peer review/Marcellus Formation/archive1 about the possibility of a Central New Yorker taking a pic, if the specific location of the eponymous rock outcropping can be identified. I wonder if you could find the original or another location within Marcellus. Not sure if it would be that much appreciated by the Marcellus Formation article author, though. The pic in the article does look like rock you see around Syracuse though. Perhaps article should be added to WP:SYR, too, aren't you a member of that? Cheers, doncram (talk) 03:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Ooh, Slate Hill Road in Marcellus is the place, I bet. Gray or black has to do just with how wet it is i bet. All of the shale in the area must be from that formation. If you could take a pic there and post that, I am sure it is the right one. Also, you could call the Earth Sciences dept at University of Syracuse http://earthsciences.syr.edu/, Department of Earth Sciences / 204 Heroy Geology Lab / Syracuse, NY 13244 /Ph: 315-443-2672, to get confirmation. It's not that unusual for a department to get a call like this, you would call and ask the department staff if they could refer you to a faculty member who might be willing to give a few minutes to give an opinion. It's for a wikipedia article on the Marcellus Formation, and it's a good cause. Then email the pic to that person and phone him/her. If you find this geology interesting, which i do. If you took the pic and posted it but didn't want to contact the SU geology department contact, I guess i would do that if I knew exactly where the photo was from.

There is not a huge rush on this, just whenever you can get a pic at that road and if possible also at Skaneateles.

Also, to add a page to the Syracuse wikiproject, put {{SyracuseNYWikiProject}} on its Talkpage. Cheers, doncram (talk) 14:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] to nominate NY NHL list

With completion by you of recent descriptions editing for the List of NHLs in NY, i want to put it up for FL now. Let me know if there's anything you'd like to take care of first, or if you will be very unavailable during the upcoming period of the review. I trust this meets with your approval. I'm checking also with Dmadeo and Daniel Case, but think we should be good to go. Thanks for doing the edit review that you did, it looks great to me tho i can't make myself examine every detail right now. Cheers, doncram (talk) 21:43, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your followup. I think you are right that periods should not be included at end of sentence fragments in descriptions. Also, Ruhrfisch had previously offered to help with getting the article copy-edited, so I am asking for that help. He's not available for a few days, and then the copy-editor will need some time, so i am delaying nominating it for FL for a little while, anyhow. Thanks also for joining in on the List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles descriptions, too! doncram (talk) 18:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

To find the archived peer review, just go to the notice of the peer review having occured, at the top of the Talk page. "List of National Historic Landmarks in New York has had a peer review by Wikipedia editors which is now archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article." Click on archived there. doncram (talk) 09:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] LA RHPs

i notice u are making a big dent in the descriptions needed for List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles. Thanks! Cbl62 and i (well, mostly he) are closing in getting pics for all of them. i went to the San Pedro area today and got 3 or 4 missing pics and a couple other useful ones (LAHCMs or CHISLs or extra pics of NRHPs). Thanks again for ur help! doncram (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i did not reply about Fire Station No. 23, i figured Cbl62 had changed something but i was not familiar with it till i saw the DYK earlier today on Engine Co. 27. Note, i added Fire Station No. 23 alternate name info into it, as that is the LAHCM name for it.

About NM NHL list, it would be great if u'd do ur descriptions magic, and yes the NRHP # should indeed be dropped from the description fields. I think it is there, out of table output, just to help in creating the articles. Thanks! doncram (talk) 00:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Franklin County Courthouse (Pennsylvania)

Thanks for saving my DYK on this. I think the date of the McCausland (sp?) raid is relevant and important to add to the article. The photo caption suggests it was in 1864, while i thot it happened as part of the prelude to the nearby Battle of Gettysburg. However i know Gettysburg took place July 1-3, 1863. Perhaps an alternative DYK ought to focus on this being the only Northern city burnt during the Civil War. I am so glad u have taken over, whew.... :) doncram (talk) 04:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I see the DYK is at the top of the Template:Did you know/Next update, scheduled to go out in about 4 hours, so by at about 1 pm Pacific time. I was hoping that they would see u should get direct credit too, but I see there that it is me alone who is scheduled to get direct credit. I'll pass it along though. I am terribly excited about this, my second involving front porticos / columns. It is like my one about Carter Hall (Millwood, Virginia) that mentioned a cataract surgery on the portico, and u could see the columns.... doncram (talk) 15:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, this edit cancelled display of the pic in the next update, 3 hours or so from now. Argh. doncram (talk) 16:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK awarded on Franklin County Courthouse (Pennsylvania)

On 5 June 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franklin County Courthouse (Pennsylvania), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 19:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and, yay! The winning DYK phrase, crafted by Lvklock, was: Did you know "... that the Franklin County Courthouse incorporates the walls and columns left after Confederate forces burned the previous courthouse during the American Civil War?" doncram (talk) 20:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Chicago RHPs

Got ur note. Yes, i dropped the description column in the Chicago section of List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois/Temp to prepare for DYK. Dropping the descriptions column is temporarily so table can look good for DYK, then to be added later. Note I put notes from some descriptions already there in new Talk page section of Talk: List of Registered Historic Places in Cook County, Illinois. Also i renumbered the list. Sorry if i caused any edit conflict for you. I am done for now. KudzuVine is responding, as he did for Los Angeles list-related request, to add HABS pics, seems to be at it right now, i had an edit conflict.

Thinking I will spin off Chicago article tomorrow maybe, then help developing the intro text to be DYK worthy (>1500 chars etc) and DYK hook, would be most appreciated. Thanks! doncram (talk) 17:14, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NY 321, Foward Road, NY 174, NY 175, NY 173, NY 92, NY 41A, NY 359 pics

The roads above could use a good pic from what your giving. If its possible to get pics for the above roads, I would thank you much and give you something well deserved. Your local Skaneateles fanatic (not really from the area). :D ^Mitch32^contribs 17:54, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Just look for pics that describe the route, maybe 2 for each. These help give the reader a better idea of the road.^Mitch32^contribs 00:47, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Texas NHL in the news

See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places#Emergency! Texas Governor's Mansion in the news. doncram (talk) 00:48, 9 June 2008 (UTC)