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[edit] Saving the article "Appearance of the ancient Egyptians"

^^If it is possible to do such a thing(save the article), then I can agree with that, however, I believe that wiki articles are supposed to be left open so that they may be updated if new information happens to surface.Taharqa 19:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Luka, I recommend if possible, that we save the page because there is a bit of trolling going on now on Population history of ancient Egypt and especially Appearance of the ancient Egyptians, as you can see in the "history".. In the meantime, please protect them (by reverting) from vandalism whenever you can, I know you can't always be around.. I've already sent you an e-mail.. Thanx..Taharqa 18:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

The page is back up and I merged it while the other one is put up for speedy deletion. Tell us what you think and be sure to look out for it. It is only one page now. Peace..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_ancient_EgyptTaharqa 20:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I've just found out about this and I'm keeping an eye on what is going on with this one. I need to do some reading first, but I want to help. JJJamal 00:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Race and ancient Egypt (controversies)

Please don't blindly revert all other improvements to the article, it is considered vandalism. If you want to add something, don't revert other people's changes. Egyegy 19:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

You are still doing blanket revisions. We can't have a reasonable discussion if you keep reverting every single edit to the article. The blind revisions are very harmful. Egyegy 20:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually Luka has all the right in the world to revert, you have no business reverting at all, no stake whatsoever and merely pop up out of nowhere to undermine my edit. This can be considered wikistalking and vandalism, so by all means, please revert his irrational edits Luka until we can have a civil discussion. You keep reverting him for no reason Egyegy, why?Taharqa 19:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re. Ancient Egypt and race

Just a heads up that I have responded to your message on my talk page. — Zerida 20:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Lusala! I think the best thing to do is to keep the information in its respective section. It doesn't really make sense to have two separate sections for information about the same topic, like ancient writers for example. That's rather confusing. Separating them into subsections, however, is ideal and a good comprise I believe. BTW, I am at the commencement of a new academic year, so I won't be as active, but will check every now and then on its progress. Best, — Zerida 02:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Luka.. We have a pov-pushing and sockpuppet problem here. Someone logged on with a different name and created another page called "Race and ancient Egyptians", in an effort to undermine discussions and avoid responsibility. It is called WP:CFORK and is in direct violation of wiki policy. People are on here being dirty Luka, I suggest you watch out for it.. And Luka, I see that you caught this the very day it happened, what gives? Why didn't you tell anyone? You're supposed to put up a tag for speedy deletion since it is content forking, it is in direct violation of wiki policy, people can't make other articles of the same topic just because they don't like the content in another. Oh, and I left a comment on the talk page, let us know what you think.[1] It would also be great if you can respond to Dbachmann's concerns on the talk page.. Thanx for everything Luka..Taharqa 17:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Article is back up. Me and Muntuwandi made a few inclusions concerning some of the cultural aspects. Visit the page and see what you think. Peace.Taharqa 07:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Look out. There are people seriously trying to pov push and put some white nationalist crap into the article from authur kemp, basically an white nationalist, non-specialist who is cited by all white supremacists. I bring attention to why his fringe theories are unaccepted in mainstream egyptology, and I get reverted. Some issues are being settled, but just look out for blatant pov stuff like that.. We need you on the talk page aswell in concern to Basil Davidson.. peaceTaharqa 17:10, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

There is a drawn out discussion which turned into a long debate, that I was having with some newly involved editor and I wanted to know what you think. From my perspective, it seems that he is incapable of proving his case by way of citation and the only thing for him to do is continue to manipulate quotes and attack the credibility of sources. He's resilient I must say, but extremely misguided.[2]Taharqa 02:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC) ^Luckily that nonsense is over.. Egyegy is also back to edit warring on the draft by trying to distort any of my inclusions, and I've even started a thread concerning Mostafa Hefny on the AE and Race talk page. He's also going off on a tangent about west africans not being related and how I have no consensus about this and that, even from my own so-called pals. See if you have any input on the situation and see if you can help balance, because my patience is running thin with such childish and antagonistic antics. See here[3] and here[4]Taharqa 01:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] August 2007

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Race and ancient Egypt (controversies). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. - Philippe | Talk 22:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New discussion

Hi Lusala! Do you mind not restoring the material back to the article until this is settled? Taharqa has agreed to keep everything to the discussion page until we come to a better agreement. Thanks, — Zerida 09:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Lusala, it was me who initially deleted the sections because Taharqa kept deleting my additions, even though earlier it seemed there was agreement across the board not to delete any citation. However, he has now agreed to remove all the material in question until we reach a broader agreement. Let's continue discussing before we add anything back. — Zerida 09:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, Lusala, I have never been particularly happy myself with the way the editors on that article handled disagreements before. As far as the actual discussion goes, as I have explained numerous times, I have deleted the questionable material after Taharqa agreed to it and after my additions were repeatedly reverted. That didn't seem to bother you very much though. What's important now is that we have pretty much come to an agreement, so no more diatribes on my talk page please. Thanks. — Zerida 01:20, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mbanza Kongo

Thanks Luka for the information about the photo, I've been trying to find the original source. Do you know which Manikongo was in the photo. I will try to see whether I can find the books you mentioned. I have found Manikongos to be very interesting personalities in African history. Muntuwandi 20:43, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus of a possibly POV group of editors is not sufficient cause to revert an edit

Your recent edit to the Race of ancient Egyptians article may be in accord with existing consensus. However, that consensus position itself has been argued to be potentially violating several policies and guidelines. Those policies and guidelines are themselves more important than the extant consensus which includes several clearly biased editors. Consensus POV is still POV, and is not an acceptable reason to change content. John Carter 13:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Race of ancient Egyptians

You need to stop edit warring on the Race of ancient Egyptians page. Regardless of the justification of your edits, edit warring won't accomplish anything. If your edits are truly justified and those you are reverting violate guidelines or policy, then Start a RFC on the users adding them, Add a notice to the admin notice board asking for help, etc. These are the methods for resolving these sorts of disputes, not simply reverting over and over. If the edit warring continues I'll be forced to request that the entire page be sanctioned a 1 revert per week rule with the exception of obvious vandalism or self reverts. Wikidudeman (talk) 14:13, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, the article is finally unprotected. Good luck for this time!--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka (talk) 21:55, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfC procedure

Hello, an RfC procedure has been opened regarding the behavior of User:Dbachmann, here: [5]. Please feel free to contribute if you wish. ~Jeeny (talk) 23:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Greetings. I noted your signature in this matter may be in the wrong place. I may be mistaken, but it's my understanding that if you weren't actually involved in the precipitating incident in an attempt to resolve it, then you must weigh in under the "Other users who support this...." subhead. I could be mistaken.... Peace. deeceevoice (talk) 21:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Do whatever you feel is best. I simply wanted to make sure you understood that the space where you signed was for people involved in that particular dispute -- not the one at Race of ancient Egyptians -- and that if you wished to weigh in -- whatever your opinion of the matter -- you should do so in the appropriate place. Peace. deeceevoice (talk) 23:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

My bad. I see the RfC specifically also addresses the {Race of ancient Egyptians]] article. Sorry about that. Deadlines have me crazy, and I'm probably not terribly capable at the moment. :/ deeceevoice (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought I'd make a return visit and request that you reinstate your signature under the certification section, since it would show that you actually did take the time to engage DBachmann with regard to your disagreement/difficulty with him. Thanks much. And, again, sorry for the confusion. :/ deeceevoice (talk) 16:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I'm so glad to see you here. :D

I'm sorry about never responding to the lengthy French post, but I asked a friend of mine from Mali to translate it for me, and he never did! :(

When you say you were banned, presumably it was at the French edition?

Yes, I know what you mean. I just did some work with a film team filming something in a New York City public school, and I was struck by the young men with closely cropped hair -- how much their heads were identical in shape in every way to that of Tut. Every once in a while I think that, perhaps, 30, 40, 50 years hence the truth about dynastic Egypt finally will be acknowledged, and many of the editors here, having grown old and gray, will have to eat crow/concede that we were correct and marvel at how we knew. (I myself have known the truth since the late '50s.) And I read the words of Zahi Hawass, and I laugh at the lies and how he can speak about Tut's "wonderful buckteeth" and talk about his beautiful face. He has to know Tut was a gracile, Nilotic blackman. Yet he persists in his posturing before the public.

Just amazing. But time and knowlege are continuums, and the space in time that we inhabit is a mere blink of an eyelid. The truth will out, my friend. All things in time. ;) Peace back. deeceevoice (talk) 20:03, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History of Africa

Thanx for that Luka. The problem with the Eurocentric view of history though, is that it begins with writing. Indeed, Southern Kemet and Northern Sudan are home to the first instances of proto-hieroglyphs, while its ancestor can be found on ancient Saharan rock art in the form of symbols. Though we know that agriculture and animal domestication, as well as megaliths, indicating astronomical knowledge was all found in the early Nile valley preceding unification of the various kingdoms. History goes back far in Africa, and actually its farthest.

Appreciate that chronology from Asante, which can be used as somewhat of an outline, or at least elements of it since it's so elaborate.Taharqa (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom

I have filed a case here, I just listed myself an Dbachmann as the involved parties, because I was unsure how to do it, if you would also like to be listed as an involved party and make a statement, please feel free to add your name and statement. futurebird 20:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Melanin in AE remains

Hey Luka. I came across this reent study that you find interesting. I've also showed it to Muntuwandi and it basically confirms Diop's earlier work.


Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and staining methods for histological and immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft tissues

A-M Mekota1, M Vermehren2

Biotechnic & Histochemistry 2005, 80(1): 7_/13

"Materials and methods In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three types of tissues were sampled from different mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approximately 1550_/1080 BC)...... The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin." -- Biotech Histochem. 2005 Jan-Feb;80(1):7-13

Taharqa (talk) 05:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


Hey Luka. Been away for a while, but I definitely haven't been blind to recent revelations and have indeed been keeping my eyes open. One other such revelation now concerns the pre-dynastic/early Dynastic Lower Egyptians in the North. Opponents have made a habit out of trying to create a dichotomy between them and the "obviously" more identifiable African southern Egyptians. This persists regardless of reports indicating that they've always been related, yet people seem to like to insist that Lower Egyptians in the north somehow had more Eurasian ancestry. This can also now be put to rest.


Ancient Egypt Anatomy of a Civilisation(Paperback) by Barry Kemp (Author) Publisher: Routledge; 2 edition (December 12, 2005) p.54


"Moving to the opposite geographic extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty(Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile Valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans"


^^So much for non-African Northern Egyptians. I've always put much emphasis on limb-ratios, even though this is something the Eurocentrics would like to ignore, but can't do so objectively.Taharqa (talk) 05:00, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Sorry I'm late. Honestly I've been having issues. Moved out of my previous house and making the transition has been hard. Haven't had access to a computer really.

In response to the article, I've just made some small corrections/edits, but they don't seem to have distorted much. I'll try and keep my eye out. Nice seeing you, Luka.Taharqa (talk) 15:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Race of Ancient Egyptians

Dude, please stop accusing people of racism and of POV pushing. It is seriously detrimental to the article. What we should be focusing on is verifiability, not truth. In the future please assume good faith. Thank you.--Woland (talk) 16:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)