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Contents 1 "came from the Swiss Alps" 2 Merge 3 Lusus 4 Ender Reference 5 Disambiguation 6 Proposal to merge Prehistoric Spain with Prehistoric Portugal & move to Prehistoric Iberia 7 Modern meaning of 'Lusitania' 8 Etymological excursus

[edit] "came from the Swiss Alps"

"It is believed that they came from the Swiss Alps" If there were any reason to "believe" this, it should be mentioned, as it would be revealing. Pottery styles? Perhaps this is just sentimental? Wetman 16:56, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Sentimental? nops. That was said by a Spanish historian. Why would be sentimental if it came from the Alps? It would be sentimental if would come from Italy, Greece or Phoenicia. I'll try to add info to justify that. I'll search it. The main reason is that it is believed they were Celts.-Pedro 17:48, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Sentimental in the sense of associative wishful thinking. Celtic culture was very widespread in Europe: are the Alps mentioned because of the Halstatt culture? But there's no suggestion here yet of why the Lusitanian tribes are considered to be Celts. And some further confusion is introduced with "autochthonous", because the autochthonous peoples are the Iberians

[edit] Merge

Lusitanian should either be integrated here, or the content about the pre-Roman people should be moved there (and that page renamed to Lusitanians). --Joy [shallot] 11:14, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

• I already think this article mixes two different things -> pre-Roman Lusitania and Roman Lusitania. I intent in the future to add info about the peoples of Lusitania and the Lusitanian Language (just translate what I made in the Port. language wikipedia). I aint got much time left for wikipedia for now. :S -Pedro 18:22, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • Lusitanian language done.

[edit] Lusus

(Discussion that was here is moved, unchanged and unedited, to Talk:Lusus. --02:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC))

Hey Charles, can you be helpful in this article? the Ophiussa one. It clearly needs your help! Translate what's in Latin there please and correct the English. Lots of thanks. ;) -Pedro 23:07, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ender Reference

Other uses In Orson Scott Card's 'Ender' series, Lusitania is a planet settled mostly by Portuguese-speaking Brazilians. See: Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind.

I beleive this should either be extended or moved to a separate article, it's out of place here. User: Thorton

[edit] Disambiguation

I was looking for the ship & got directed here. Shouldn't I've gotten a disambig page, first? Trekphiler 19:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

You did. The first line reads "This article concerns the Roman province. For other uses, see Lusitania (disambiguation)." The Ogre 17:55, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Obviously, I wasn't clear. I meant a page that listed both & offered me the choice. I had to search SS Lusitania to get her. Trekphiler 22:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

You were. Maybe I wasn't. The page that list both as choice is Lusitania (disambiguation). The Ogre 14:29, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

• So everything is correct, Lusitania was a Roman Province and SS Lusitania was a boat... so what's the problem? Different names, different things.
  • The problem is that I searched for "Lusitania" and got a Roman province. I don't mean to demean this bit of geography, but when most people are searching for that name they're going to be looking for the ship. 75.92.15.232 (talk) 18:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC) User:joel.a.davis

[edit] Proposal to merge Prehistoric Spain with Prehistoric Portugal & move to Prehistoric Iberia

Currently, the text of Prehistoric Spain seems really to be about prehistoric Iberia. Similarly, the text of Prehistoric Portugal seems really to be about the same thing. This would be perfectly understandable seeing as there was no Spain and no Portugal in prehistoric times. I have argued therefore that it would be best to have these articles merged under a title which indicates the geographical region rather than the modern states. I have proposed the articles be merged and moved to Prehistoric Iberia. Please come and discuss the proposal. Jimp 09:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hello Jim. If the merge goes through, what shall we do with Pre-Roman Portugal? You see, Prehistoric Spain encompasses a period that the "Portuguese" articles differentiated into Prehistoric Portugal and Pre-Roman Portugal. Should we merge them all? The Ogre 13:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Modern meaning of 'Lusitania'

I believe that the term "Lusitania" today usually refers to all the portuguese speaking areas in the world as a collective entity. That is, Portugal, Brasil, Goa, Cabo Verde and several others. Is there any Wikipedia entry which deals with this? Martin Packham —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.143.108.246 (talk • contribs)

It is true that sometimes Lusitania is used in modern times to mean just Portugal, and is the modern Latin name for the country as can be seen in the Latin Wikipedia article on that country. What you are looking, however, for is Lusophone and Lusitanic. See also Community of Portuguese Language Countries. The Ogre 21:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Etymological excursus

Even good etymologies are often meaningless. The following chancy text needs to be presented as a report of published material rather than a personal excursus in order to to be included:

"The original word could have been from Proto-Celtic *Lugu , meaning God, from which the Celtic god Lugus took his name meaning probably "the shining one", in Celtiberian this god was called Luguei. It can be compared with the Proto-Celtic word *Lug meaning deceive and the Latin word Lusi also meaning deceive ('game' or 'play')."

Any connection between this unsourced riff and the actual significance or derivation of the historical toponym Lusitania seems to be slender. I left the very doubtful sentence "The name may be of Celtic origin: Lus and Tanus, "tribe of Lusus".". Though the name may indeed be of Celtic origin, tanus doesn't signify "tribe". --Wetman 05:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)