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  1. Write a Plot section to go before Cast of Characters done
  2. Discuss whether the Video games section should be split off done
  3. Find citations for information in the Legal issues and Licensing and release information sections (should be easy to find) done
  4. Fix up the Lupin in pop culture section by looking for the most common references and including them with proper citations. done
  5. Expand the article pages for all the movies and TV specials
  6. Expand the article pages for all three TV series
  7. None of the manga have their own pages, discuss and consider creation of pages for at least the 1st and second manga series
  8. Discuss the possible addition of a section on the music of Lupin the 3rd done
  9. Expand animated feature film sub-section into prose done
  10. Expand TV Special sub-section into prose done
  11. Split off OVA into its own sub-section and expand done

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[edit] GENEON QUESTION

did geneon dub the entire series in english or only up to episode 70? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.163.238 (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Geneon did not dub the entire series, they only released 15 volumes. --AutoGyro (talk) 19:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mangled sentence

Masaaki Osumi (a former director, from Lupin III The pilot film to the TV series first half) refused a demand to "want you to do it for younger audiences" from the TV station which suffered from a low audience rating and left it.

This sentence could use some editing, but I'm not even sure what it's trying to say! --71.29.181.12 04:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lupin III Third Opinion

The issue at hand is what constitutes Verifiability in the case of other works mentioning Lupin III.

User:68.43.82.69 readded added this text today:

  • Other series that contain Lupin references in one form or the other include Crayon Shin Chan (where the character of Shinnosuke claims to be Lupin the 4th), Cutie Honey (where, in the manga, the character Seiji says "Heh, I guess they think they're Lupin III now!"), Gintama (via Gintoki's line "Guys like Lupin always wore the same jacket"), and Midori Days (in which Sakisaka Hisashi finds he missing master copy of the old Lupin III background music during an event taking place in the 4th Volume of the manga).

....after I deleted this text after 2 months of nobody citing any reasonable sources that I asked for.

Another user, User:146.9.13.112, readded the unsourced info (sans citation marks) after I deleted the above which I then deleted and warned the user to read the verifiability page.

Both 68.43.82.69 and 146.9.13.112 claim that the highlighted parentheses in Bold constitute references:

  • Other series that contain Lupin references in one form or the other include Crayon Shin Chan (where the character of Shinnosuke claims to be Lupin the 4th), Cutie Honey (where, in the manga, the character Seiji says "Heh, I guess they think they're Lupin III now!"), Gintama (via Gintoki's line "Guys like Lupin always wore the same jacket"), and Midori Days (in which Sakisaka Hisashi finds he missing master copy of the old Lupin III background music during an event taking place in the 4th Volume of the manga).

My request is that 68.43.82.69 and 146.9.13.112 (or perhaps another user) provide the relevant Manga Volumes and Anime Episode Numbers to support each claim. I feel that the issue has now reached an impasse after a cooling off period, and I don't wish to start another 3RR war again.

My query is; what is an acceptable way to reference the nods; quotes and comments without the material source to back it up, or quotes and comments with the material source to back it up?--293.xx.xxx.xx 05:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

How come you missed the line "during an event taking place in the 4th Volume of the manga"? Is that not a reference?
"My request is that 68.43.82.69 and 146.9.13.112 (or perhaps another user) provide the relevant Manga Volumes and Anime Episode Numbers to support each claim." We did that, so could you please explain why you went back again and deleted it? Are you going to answer, or will you just ignore this again?

And it's now listed at Wikipedia:Third opinion.--293.xx.xxx.xx 05:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

My opinion: The parentheticals are not sufficient, per the guideline Wikipedia:Citing sources#Full citations. The "occasional exceptions" mentioned in the guideline header do not apply here, since there is no way that including these statements without sources improves Wikipedia. 293.xx.xxx.xx is correct in removing the unsourced statements, and the various anons should only re-add them when they can provide full citations. Anomie 14:46, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Does 293.xx.xxx.xx hate Lupin? And why is the page protected?

I wonder if 293.xx.xxx.xx hates Lupin III. People went back and added the episode numbers, and the volume number for the Midori Days manga has always been there, yet he keeps on deleting it.

Could you please explain how any of these are not properly sourced? It says the series and the episode number just like all the other ones. Do you hate Lupin that much?

"In Midori Days, Sakisaka Hisashi finds the missing master copy of the old Lupin III background music during an event taking place in the 4th Volume of the manga. In Crayon Shin Chan episode 440, Shinnosuke claims to be Lupin the 4th. Also, in episode 31 of the Great Teacher Onizuka anime, Onizuka, disguised, cheats by using magnets while playing on a Lupin IV Pachinko machine as an effort to raise money for a field trip he promised the 3rd year students but cannot afford. There are several Lupin III Pachinko machines found in Japan." 68.43.82.69 13:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC) 68.43.82.69

[edit] Creation of a Lupin III Work Group?

Would anyone be interested in creating/joining a Lupin III work group? There is much to do, such as adding more information to the main article, movie, TV special, TV series and video game pages, Monkey Punch's page, character pages, and Yuji Ohno's page. Let's not forget the manga pages, too! --AutoGyro 12:06, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

I might be. Copied to WT:ANIME.--Nohansen 21:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
If anyone else is still interested, I would definitely join in. —TigerK 69 07:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Shin Lupin III episodes is a featured list candidate

List of Shin Lupin III episodes has been nominated for a featured list. Go here if you would like to support: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Shin Lupin III episodes. --AutoGyro 15:06, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Edits Complete

The major edits to improve this article are now complete. Minor edits are probably still needed. What does everyone think of how the article has turned out? I think with a few more minor tweaks, it will be ready for a GA or even an FA nomination :) --AutoGyro 02:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lupin in Pop Culture Section Removed, Placed Here for Reference

The Lupin in Pop Culture section, while it contains some nice information, is not very encyclopedic in nature and does not add to the article. Encyclopedic elements were incorporated into other sections of the article. I will place it here for reference:

[edit] Lupin in pop culture

[edit] Anime series and manga

Shinichi Watanabe, who directed the 1999 television special Fujiko's Unlucky Days (released in the United States as The Columbus Files) has jokingly claimed that Lupin the III stole his idea of wearing the iconic pastel colors of his alter ego Nabeshin from Excel Saga, and is cosplaying as him.[1]

In Midori Days, Sakisaka Hisashi finds the missing master copy of the old Lupin III background music during an event taking place in the 4th Volume of the manga.[2] In Crayon Shin Chan episode 440, Shinnosuke claims to be Lupin the 4th.[3] Also, in episode 31 of the Great Teacher Onizuka anime, Onizuka, disguised, cheats by using magnets while playing on a Lupin IV Pachinko machine as an effort to raise money for a field trip he promised the 3rd year students but cannot afford.[4] There are several Lupin III Pachinko machines found in Japan.[5]

In the comedy series, Azumanga Daioh, the character Tomo Takino has a desire to be like Fujiko, to the point she even attempts to grow her hair out for a sexy look. Failing that, she briefly decides on a career in Interpol, the agency for which Zenigata works.[6]

References to Goemon's sword Zentetsuken are found in Love Hina and the xxxHolic manga. In xxxHOLiC volume one, Yuko paints the word "Zentetsuken" onto a baseball bat and, after using it to slice a laptop in half, mutters, "Once again I cut a worthless object."[7] The same line, used many times by Goemon, is also spoken by the character of Motoko Aoyama in the anime Love Hina.[8]

The director of Cowboy Bebop, Shinichiro Watanabe, revealed during an interview with Newtype Japan that he was heavily influenced by Lupin III, especially with the work of director Masaaki Osumi on the first TV series. [9]

In episode 1 of Excel Saga, an altered version of the Castle of Cagliostro poster is seen on the manga artist's wall.[10] Also, the beginning of episode 12 features series creator Rikdo Koshi dressed up as Zenigata and a set of rings that parodies the ones from Castle of Cagliostro[11]

In FLCL, in the episode Brittle Bullet, Kamon, dressed as Lupin, jumps out of his clothes, leaving his boxers on, and attempts to dive and land in between Haruko's legs. Haruko, wearing nothing but a towel, foils him by launching a boxing glove, attached to a spring, from in between her legs, knocking Kamon out. Later, the trademark black title screen appears, at first types out a title (trans. Forever the Bullet of Love and the Plot), but the title gets trashed for another (ブラブレ trans. Bura Bure). All this is a homage to the title sequence of the second Lupin series. In English dub, Kamon comments that his costume is based one Lupin's look from the second TV series (with a red jacket), and asks Naota if he prefers the green "Castle of Cagliostro style" jacket.[12]

Shinichi Watanabe has jokingly claimed that Lupin the III stole his idea of wearing the iconic pastel colors of his alter ego Nabeshin from Excel Saga, and is cosplaying as him.[1] Watanabe directed the 1999 TV special Fujiko's Unlucky Days, which was released in the United States as The Columbus Files.

[edit] Music

Lupin has made his way into popular American music via rapper Kanye West's single "Touch the Sky", in which Lupe Fiasco says "Yes, yes, yes, guess who's on third? Lupe steal like Lupin the Third." The line is a word play on baseball player 'stealing' a base much like Lupin was a thief.

  1. ^ a b Zac Bertschy (May 24, 2007). Interview: Shinichiro "Nabeshin" Wantanabe. Anime News Network. Retrieved on 2007-05-24.
  2. ^ Midori Days (Midori No Hibi) Graphic Novel 4, Story and Art by Kazurou Inoue, Published in English by VIZ
  3. ^ Crayon Shin Chan (TV Series), episode #440, "Here Comes Lupin IV", based on the manga by Yoshito Usui
  4. ^ Great Teacher Onizuka (TV Series), episode #31, "Destination: Okinawa", based on the manga by Tohru Fujisawa, released in the United States by Tokyopop and FUNimation
  5. ^ Lupin III Pachinko Machines Official Website. Retrieved on 2007-06-30.
  6. ^ Azumanga Daioh episode #20, Third Year, based on the manga by Kiyohiko Azuma, released on DVD in the United States by ADV Films
  7. ^ xxxHOLiC Graphic Novel Volume 1, Story and Art by CLAMP. Released in the United States by Del Ray.
  8. ^ Love Hina anime television series, episode 9, "The Case of the Missing Hinata Apartment Money: A Mystery" (ひなた荘密室現金強奪事件 ミステリな), based on the manga by Ken Akamatsu, released on DVD in the United States by Bandai
  9. ^ “おおすみ正秋×渡辺信一郎 ＴＡＫＥ　ＩＴ ＥＡＳＹ！　(Masaaki Osumi × Shinichiro Watanabe TAKE IT EASY！)”, Newtype Japan (Kadokawa Publishing Co., Ltd.) November 1999: 16, 1999, <http://pc.webnt.jp/> 
  10. ^ Excel Saga episode 1, Koshi Rikdo Assassination Plot
  11. ^ Excel Saga episode 12, Big City Part II, based on the manga by Koushi Rikudou, released on DVD in the United States by ADV Films
  12. ^ FLCL Episode #5 Brittle Bullet (ブラブレ Bura Bure?)]], based on the manga by Koushi Rikudou, released on DVD in the United States by ADV Films

[edit] Recurring themes and References and homage

In order to comply with the 4th criteria of a Featured Article, the Recurring themes and References and homage sections will now be archived here for reference.

[edit] Recurring themes

Lupin and Zenigata share what could be best described as a symbiotic relationship in the series. Often Lupin has an opportunity to kill Zenigata, which he always passes up. As an example, once Lupin nearly ran over Zenigata with a race car, but made it jump over him after Zenigata ducked down.[1] Because of this generosity (and for another reason; see below), Zenigata refuses to kill Lupin. This seemingly gentlemen's agreement is acknowledged by both parties. Zenigata is only interested in capturing Lupin, not killing him. When Lupin tricked the world by getting "killed" in an episode, Zenigata was openly crying as he considered this a tragedy even for a criminal.[2][3]

Zenigata cannot stand going without chasing Lupin for an extended period. For instance, Zenigata arrested Lupin in the fourth episode of the first TV series (which was based on the second chapter of the manga), and Zenigata nervously waited a year for Lupin to escape so the chase could continue. Lupin, deciding to toy with him, waited until he was to be led to the electric chair to escape.[4] Zenigata often finds himself arresting more dangerous criminals, after Lupin and his gang thwart them. Logically, this would give Zenigata an impressive performance record, which would explain why he is still allowed to pursue Lupin despite his lack of success in capturing the thief.

In the various movies and OVAs, Zenigata will often join in full alliance with Lupin's gang against some menace deemed more dangerous, such as the Count in The Castle of Cagliostro or the terrorist group in Orders to Assassinate Lupin. After the day is won, Zenigata will show his gratitude by allowing the gang a few minutes head start before he begins chasing them again.

Another recurring theme is the appearance of descendants of famous historical and literary figures. For example, Sherlock Holmes the Third,[5][6] and Lawrence of Arabia the Third.[7]

Jigen seemed to be fated to lead a doomed love life. Almost all of the women he ever got involved with either do not love him, betrayed him, were killed, or were unable to have a workable relationship . This explains why Jigen seemed very much cynical on Lupin's many advances to women, especially with Fujiko.[8][9][10][11]

Lupin and his cohorts are known to be able to drive and utilize any vehicle; cars, motorcycles, airplanes, and pretty much any other mode of transport. Of the many cars they drive, a few were consistently used; 1929 type 38/250 model SSK Mercedes-Benz, Mini Cooper, and Fiat 500. A yellow Fiat features prominently in The Castle of Cagliostro and later in The Fuma Conspiracy.[12]

Another recurring theme is that in every television special and feature film, and most of the episodes of the three television series there is a secondary female lead in the style of Bond girls in James Bond movies.

[edit] References and homage

Throughout the history of the franchise, Lupin III alludes to the adventures of his grandfather, Arsène Lupin, from time to time. Even The Castle of Cagliostro gets its title from the novel La Comtesse de Cagliostro (The Countess of Cagliostro).[13]

Many episodes of the second television series feature references and homage to other phenomenon that were popular during the time the series was in production. In episode 15, for example, Lupin goes up against the descendants of several detectives, including Sherlock Holmes's grandson, Holmes III. The character of Holmes III also appears in episode 97 of the 2nd TV series, but he is different from the Holmes III that appeared in episode 15. The episode also contains parodies of other famous characters such as Napoleon Zero(Napoleon I), James Dobon (James Bond), and Rasputan (Rasputin).[14]

Episode 20 features a scene with the villain character of Hatler playing with the globe, which is a parody of The Great Dictator. In episode 52, titled Emmanuelle Is an Angel's Whisper, the character Emmanuelle Poirot is the granddaughter of Hercule Poirot, and the entire episode is a tribute to the first Emmanuelle movie. Another tribute to a movie took place in episode 18, titled "Black Panther," which takes on the Pink Panther, where the character Inspector Conaiseau is a parody of Inspector Clouseau and the character of Hakito parodies Cato Fong.[14]

In episode 58, The Border Is the Face of Farewell, contains an homage to The Third Man, while episode 62, The Sound of the Devil's Bells Calls Lupin, is an homage to The Prisoner. American TV series Columbo is parodied during episode 72, The Skateboard Murder Mystery. American TV series are parodied again in episode 78, Diamonds Gleam in a Robot's Eye, which parodies The F.B.I..[14]

In episode 94, Lupin Vs. Superman, the main characters are featured in their Superman-like costumes, and the episode also parodies the title character of McCloud through the character of Inspector McCleed .[14]

Another Superman-related parody is found in the final episode of the second television series. In episode 155 Farewell My Beloved Lupin, written and directed by Hayao Miyazaki, contains an homage to the jewel stealing robot found in one of the early Superman cartoons. A slightly revised model of the robot returns later in Hayao Miyazaki's Castle in the Sky.[15][16]

The second television series also pays homage to other anime of the same time. Episode 101, Versailles Burned with Love, pays homage to the anime The Rose of Versailles. That particular episode was based on a viewer's idea as part of the 100th episode celebration of the series.[14]

  1. ^ a b Zac Bertschy (May 24, 2007). Interview: Shinichiro "Nabeshin" Wantanabe. Anime News Network. Retrieved on 2007-05-24.
  2. ^ Midori Days (Midori No Hibi) Graphic Novel 4, Story and Art by Kazurou Inoue, Published in English by VIZ
  3. ^ Crayon Shin Chan (TV Series), episode #440, "Here Comes Lupin IV", based on the manga by Yoshito Usui
  4. ^ Great Teacher Onizuka (TV Series), episode #31, "Destination: Okinawa", based on the manga by Tohru Fujisawa, released in the United States by Tokyopop and FUNimation
  5. ^ Lupin III Pachinko Machines Official Website. Retrieved on 2007-06-30.
  6. ^ Azumanga Daioh episode #20, Third Year, based on the manga by Kiyohiko Azuma, released on DVD in the United States by ADV Films
  7. ^ xxxHOLiC Graphic Novel Volume 1, Story and Art by CLAMP. Released in the United States by Del Ray.
  8. ^ Love Hina anime television series, episode 9, "The Case of the Missing Hinata Apartment Money: A Mystery" (ひなた荘密室現金強奪事件 ミステリな), based on the manga by Ken Akamatsu, released on DVD in the United States by Bandai
  9. ^ “おおすみ正秋×渡辺信一郎 ＴＡＫＥ　ＩＴ ＥＡＳＹ！　(Masaaki Osumi × Shinichiro Watanabe TAKE IT EASY！)”, Newtype Japan (Kadokawa Publishing Co., Ltd.) November 1999: 16, 1999, <http://pc.webnt.jp/> 
  10. ^ Excel Saga episode 1, Koshi Rikdo Assassination Plot
  11. ^ Excel Saga episode 12, Big City Part II, based on the manga by Koushi Rikudou, released on DVD in the United States by ADV Films
  12. ^ FLCL Episode #5 Brittle Bullet (ブラブレ Bura Bure?)]], based on the manga by Koushi Rikudou, released on DVD in the United States by ADV Films

[edit] Good Article Review - Pass

This is without a doubt a good article. Nothing I can really add to it pertaining to the Good Article Criterion, as it already surpasses them. Not quite FA, as the FAC consensus identified, but definitely a good article. NSR77 TC 21:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lupin movies and specials

The Lupin movies need an uniform naming scheme. We have the ones were they're named as part of the Lupin series (Dead or Alive (Lupin the 3rd)), the complete title ones (Lupin III: Legend of the Gold of Babylon) and the "I don't know what they are until I read the article" ones (Episode 0: First Contact).

Personally, I prefer the complete title. It tells you right out what the article is about and, also, it is the official title. What do you think?--Nohansen 22:26, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and we have another problem. Some articles use Lupin III, others Lupin the 3rd. Is there no consensus?--Nohansen 22:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
A debate was done long ago about the naming of the main article, and the consensus was to have the name be "Lupin III". I personally prefer the name Lupin the 3rd because that is the name on all of Geneon's, FUNimation's, and even Discotek's Lupin releases. As it is now, however, all the articles for the movies and TV specials need to follow whatever naming convention the main article uses. The naming for the movies and specials should follow this guideline: Lupin III: Name of the Movie/TV Special. The actual issue will be whether to use the American DVD titles of the movies/TV specials that were released on R1 DVD as the main title of the article, or should it be the translation of the original Japanese title. On that I say we should use the R1 DVD titles, since this is the English Wikipedia, and the R1 DVD titles will be the one most familiar to the people who would be looking them up. --AutoGyro 01:18, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Fuma Conspirecy was a Theatrical film

The recent 20th Anniversary DVD of the Fuma Conspirecy states that it was not straight to video film, but instead was on par with the other theater releases. This needs to be changed in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.161.203.11 (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, according to the history of the franchise on the Lupin the 3rd encyclopedia, Fuma was released direct-to-video first, and only after did it make it to theaters. --AutoGyro (talk) 04:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fansites? Seriously?

Hi there, just a wee query- why are there a collection of fansite links at the bottom of the page? Leaving off for the moment that it's most definitely not Wiki policy, there's no way to decide between one or another in terms of suitability, so it's nigh-on-impossible to vet them effectively for addition. There's a blanket ban on them over in the Videogames wing, since they invariably cause too much trouble, with people previously adding and deleting them at will with little in the way of discourse over their suitability. If you genuinely need to get to a fansite, Google should surely do?

Anyway, comments and suggestions please. Hyperspacey (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, both those sites seem to be genuinely useful, you could probably list them under a better heading. Fansite doesn't really do them justice. "Unofficial resources" or something? Hyperspacey (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Punch The Monkey!

I'm suprised no one has posted anything regarding the Punch The Monkey! remix/cover albums series. There are three of them in total, not including the Best Of album, and they feature some big names in Japanese music. I own only the 2nd one and some of the artists include Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra, Polysics, Yasuharu Konishi, Monday Michiru and even The Ventures. I don't think that an article has to be made for each individual album but perhaps a list of all them would be more suitable. Or maybe there is a Lupin the 3rd media article they could be integrated into? LonesomeMoon (talk) 07:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

If you feel they should be referenced then add them. I think they can safely go here. BTW, this page deals with the franchise in general. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 07:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)